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  • #61
    Originally posted by rossiter View Post
    So the 1 lakh car isn't one lakh. It is hugely subsidised by the taxpayer, you and me included. Tata has pulled off an economic and strategic coup here.
    Arey Dost, That's the fact...But are we really asking for a Sports Tourer, 400cc, 40 bhp for 65 thousand....Give us the same machine, for thrice that amount. yehi to baat mein kehta hoon....!!!! PEACE!
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    • #62
      No, what's happening here is that everyone is asking for a different machine that suits their expectation, but they all want it cheaper than an MP's character.

      That pretty much sums this thread up.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by rossiter View Post
        The whole line of discussion is missing one important factor here. That the Nano is priced at this level, BECAUSE and ONLY BECAUSE Tata went shopping with a specific list of demands and sops.. Tax free status, virtually interest free loans etc. The cost of the Nano would be substantially higher if Tata had to shell out the usual capital expansion cost that any normal company would have to pay in a typically industrialised state.

        Do you think if Tata had not got these terms anywhere, or if even all the governments approached to base the plant in their states, refused to provide the sops, the Nano would be priced at 1.xx lakhs?

        So the 1 lakh car isn't one lakh. It is hugely subsidised by the taxpayer, you and me included. Tata has pulled off an economic and strategic coup here.
        Damn. I am paying for the Tata Nano, and I will never buy that car.

        Firstly, you cannot simply plonk a 600cc on a bike and expect go!!! performance. Car engines are different from bike engines. You simply cannot think that since Nano, a 600cc, costs 1.xx lakh so a bike of 500 cc should cost...etc etc. There is a lot of thought process that goes into creating any automobile. If the volume of metal being used to build an automobile/engines reflects its price then just imagines the prices of trucks compared to cars. It's not that simple.
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        • #64
          I just want to say i think the sales volumes of the "Big Bikes" is no where near to the numbers of the 100cc bikes sales anywhere, yet these bikes are present in other markets at a resonable price, then why not here in India.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by svjhonda View Post
            Again, we are heading the way- our masses are incapable/immature to handle these bikes. Look, if you watch Whacked Out Sports and other similar stuff on AXN you'll know there is no dearth of immature idiots abroad. They do stupidity on litre class bikes with devastating consequences. Yet bikes do sell there. So a reasoning that such bikes should not come cheap because posers will grab them is wrong. Just to keep posers at bay why should we sacrifice 13 lacs and get a powerful bike, fulfil our own passion and burh holes in our pockets? (I'm talking from a middle class point of view). Agreed 13 lac bikes do see fewer posers than lets say a decent 400cc twin at 3 lacs. But why should we sacrifice? What are traffic police for?
            Actually what you are saying is available, a decent 400cc twin @ 3 lacs., But not in India. Indian manufactrers can obviously make that, but again the same question rises, will it sell? a Rs.3 lac bike? or else the company will be at huge losses. whats the point when only u n me gonna buy it? there had to be other buyers too, so company can make profits. Even if its not the question of a poser-ownership, Lets say i dint liked the design (*proper good looking bike with power n aerodynamics matters to me atleast) after the bike rolls out, I wont buy it & if those few buyers company is targeting at, have a design consious mind like me... the project will be a total failure & again LOSES! maybe, it can be even that ke you dont like the design, again the bike will saturate to a very less numbers of buyers, lets say 100-150! Will it be worth making such a bike just for the few of us & taking back only losses???
            **And dude our traffic police is good for nothing...

            Originally posted by Synn View Post
            No, what's happening here is that everyone is asking for a different machine that suits their expectation, but they all want it cheaper than an MP's character.
            That pretty much sums this thread up.
            Even I guess so...
            Last edited by spiderweb; 04-14-2009, 03:36 PM.

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            • #66
              Hey yaar now everyone's taking the price issue...... so when Zma was first launched it was priced around 88k whereas other bikes were around 35k-55k..... but at time also there were buyers...... now we already have bikes costing more than a lac n people are buying...... but then also no one is ready to take a step ahead and bring something good......
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              • #67
                Originally posted by pads View Post
                Hey yaar now everyone's taking the price issue...... so when Zma was first launched it was priced around 88k whereas other bikes were around 35k-55k..... but at time also there were buyers...... now we already have bikes costing more than a lac n people are buying...... but then also no one is ready to take a step ahead and bring something good......
                Bro jus wait for a few months n u'll be seeing a ninja 250, KTMs, a bajaj miniSBK & a few more...

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by pads View Post
                  Hey yaar now everyone's taking the price issue...... so when Zma was first launched it was priced around 88k whereas other bikes were around 35k-55k..... but at time also there were buyers...... now we already have bikes costing more than a lac n people are buying...... but then also no one is ready to take a step ahead and bring something good......
                  Yeah, quite true. This "low numbers of buyers" argument by the manufacturers sound like crap to me. IMO, in India a VFM product always sells regardless of the actual price of the product.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by spiderweb View Post
                    Bro jus wait for a few months n u'll be seeing a ninja 250, KTMs, a bajaj miniSBK & a few more...
                    Yes man witing for Ninja..... Hope they launch it quickly......

                    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                    Yeah, quite true. This "low numbers of buyers" argument by the manufacturers sound like crap to me. IMO, in India a VFM product always sells regardless of the actual price of the product.
                    Very true...... & for example we have the four-wheeler industry....... We have four wheelers costing upto 3.5 crores.....
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                    • #70
                      HOLY FUDGE! I think I was ripped when I bought my 8500 Rupees Bycycle..... that thing doesnt even run on ANY engine!



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                      • #71
                        Indeed. Why the hell is someone mentioning a 4.5 crore car? Do we not have Rs 12 lakh and Rs. 40 lakh bikes?

                        The simple matter of fact is that no one in this thread has any clear cut idea what they want. All they know is they want things cheap.

                        Well, newsflash. There are very cheap two wheelers out there that barely qualify as a proper motorcycle/ moped/ whatever. Just like how the Nano barely qualifies as a proper car. Now don't give me the whole, "But it drives much better than the 800!" deal. It does. But compared to any car from a couple of segments up, it IS inadequate. That's nothing to be ashamed of. It's not meant to compete with them.

                        Just like how your Platina's and TVS champs are not meant to compete with the Karizmas and the R15s and the Pulsar 220s. Get.Some.Perspective.


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