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  • #16
    remember reading about this in the march issue of overdrive so googled it and giving the first link:

    EVA Track T-800CDI diesel motorcycle launched, equipped with fortwo engine from smart

    Another interesting link that turned up in my search:

    DieselBike.net - 5nd British Diesel Motorcycle Rally.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
      Why doesn't the poll contain the Royal Enfield name? After all there used to be a Diesel Bullet available! Maybe another one could come up with better technology!
      I don't think Enfield made those Diesel Bullets. If I remember correctly, they were called "SooraJ" made by a 3rd party using the Bullet Cycle parts and Greaves Diesel engines.
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      • #18
        I have a Diesel bull for this very reason. The torque produced by 5 hp machine is more amazing than the power 16Nm @ 1800. Many times i just slip to top gear and leave it in idle. The bike pulls cleanly in idle. I do have many plans to swap the engine with a much better options for touring purpose. Imagine triple digits of touring all day long and average of more than 50 kmpl that too diesel advantage. Currently the market is limited to 3600rpm for High speed diesels. Only force mini four super has an engine capable of hitting 4300 revs which is pretty close to bullet engine speed so i dont need to alter the gear box. But the con is its a single with 14 hp and 28 Nm engine. Ace HT is a twin perhaps the only twin in the market but the engine is slightly bulky and the revs limit to 3200 revs.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by shubhanker View Post

          PS: there's no honda in the poll...
          dear bro at shubhanker,
          sorry would put it in the poll soon . just missed it

          Originally posted by prajwalkashyap View Post
          A company in Germany has developed a Turbo Diesel based bike. Its called the Neander and is one of my dream bikes.

          Take a look at the link below.

          main_en

          Royal Enfield used to produce diesel bullets called Taurus. You'll find them in the rurals around Coimbatore and Harayana. The engines were Greaves engines, and much of everything else was directly from the Bullet.

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          great job regarding the link u have provided by you. i appreciate ur intrest

          Originally posted by Coplay@180 View Post
          The Royal Enfields used to make Diesel bulls.
          We had 2 of them at home. My dad and his twin brother. one each.
          Both were sold off at a later stage...
          I've ridden them, God they vibrate like crazy and trust me they will definitely make me impotent.
          But the mileage was so so high...!!!
          dear coplay,
          if u good give its specs i'll be very much happier

          Originally posted by Joel View Post
          A diesel engine will be great on a bike. Hope some maker comes up with this.
          The tech involved in modern diesel like the common rail direct injection is quite expensive, however with series production it cam be brought down.
          A 500cc diesel with a turbo and common rail injection is easily capable of over 50bhp. Thats already 100bhp/ltr. And they'll produce enough torque to scare you.
          dear joel,
          that some good technical thinking, i was rather thinking of 300cc 15-30 hp coupled with a turbo

          Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
          Why doesn't the poll contain the Royal Enfield name? After all there used to be a Diesel Bullet available! Maybe another one could come up with better technology!
          dear sarvajit,
          sorry bro will add it in . missed it in a confusion

          Originally posted by Gasolinejunkie View Post
          dear gasolinejunkie,
          seems ur unaware of current market trends. r&d are developing at a thunderous rate in our country . diesel engines rules indian markets, hope u r not aware of that too.anything is possible with dedicated r&d .just check the link

          main_en

          also check this data

          main_en

          bajaj, tvs or yamaha are not people who started to sell bikes just from few months back , they r in this field for more than few decades. thay have a strong r&d team and they have the potent to do so . thier potent is totally destroyed only by the conventional customers who dont want any new technology or still not yet came out of an pre-independence era

          thanks,
          madengine

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          • #20
            Converting old army bullets to run on diesel was a common mod till the late 90s. Even RE had a diesel model called the Taurus, with a factory fitted Greaves diesel engine. It made about 6.5 bhp, was a devil to kick start and wasn't quick or fast. It was reviewed by Dilip Bam on Auto India mag. As I recall, the vibrations were so bad that the tail lamp unit fell off after a certain time.

            There was also at least one other manufacturer of Diesel bikes. The bike was called Sooraj. It was similar to the bullet in build, but had a square headlamp, and slightly different fuel tank and covers and stuff. It too used a similar pumpset engine. It was a composite of various old school Indian bikes, mainly the Rajdoot and the Bullet.

            Maybe someone should introduce a common-rail single cylinder diesel bike. The bullets are heavily priced as it is, but a CRDI cruiser sounds intriguing lol. Of all the indian bike manufacturers, I think that Bajaj is most likely to introduce something like that now. Especially since they have experience with small capacity diesel engines and mating them to two-wheeler gearboxes - The RE diesel autorick.

            Maybe a two-stroke diesel would be a good idea.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by madengine View Post
              I'm very much indulged in this kind of thought for quite a longer time, i fancy very much on diesel engines . too mad about disel engines not because its highly economical wrt fuel charges , but of its immensive power.

              I'm not aware whether there were (past) , there are(present) disel engines used in bikes. but if there be a disel engine used in modern day bikes how powerful would we like it to be . i'm also quite aware of the its huge space occupying nature , but still if it be present how nimble ,powerful and economical would we like it to be.

              also i would also like to know which company would we look forward the most to introduce such innovative and bold ideas in biking industry. i have also provided a poll flagged over this thread kindly have look at it and cast ur options in it

              with regards,
              --madengine--

              mods if anyother thread already exist kindly merge ----
              you know what i was thinking the same and was about to post, just saw your post
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Coplay@180 View Post
                The Royal Enfields used to make Diesel bulls.
                God they vibrate like crazy and trust me they will definitely make me impotent.
                But the mileage was so so high...!!!

                The riders of diesel bullets also proned to some heart problems used in the long course of time due to crazy vibrations..
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by whizzkid_ram View Post
                  The riders of diesel bullets also proned to some heart problems used in the long course of time due to crazy vibrations..

                  Are you serious???
                  Last edited by yamahatrooper; 07-14-2009, 03:24 AM. Reason: Had too add the smiley
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by whizzkid_ram View Post
                    The riders of diesel bullets also proned to some heart problems used in the long course of time due to crazy vibrations..
                    i have been hearing rumours from a long time of kidney problems but not heart related problems...

                    modern diesel engine on a bike would love to see that thing run..

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by yamahatrooper View Post
                      Are you serious???
                      i guess its right
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post
                        i guess its right
                        'kin hell I would rather have expensive fuel and low mileage and not compromise on me heart or me kidneys. And i thought riding my electra was difficult in the city. pffff
                        Last edited by yamahatrooper; 07-14-2009, 06:31 AM. Reason: contextual situation
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                        • #27
                          A morder engine with a PD injection or a computer controlled injectors will surely make a hell of a diesel. But looking at the prices for our petrol bikes a diesel bike will be far costlier for the same performance.

                          There are two options in making a diesel bike
                          - a high performance sport bike
                          - a high mileage bike

                          Hi performance bike, I dont think any of our current makers have proper expertise to make a high performance bike like we are talking about. At the best they could plonk in a custom developed 400cc single(may be a twin since Bosch is going to make a CRDI unit for NANO) with short stroke to rev till about 5kRPM. This would give you crazy mileage.

                          If they want to make a mean high mileage bike some one could plonk in a 200-250cc mordern single diesel with square stroke setup. This could give our old Splendour a good competition but should be costing atleast twice.

                          Chance of making though is real zero, for example none of our makers have shown any interest in making or displaying any diesel bike in the past. Enfield themselves stopped the production of their diesel, though theoretically it should have been a super hit.

                          Even the educated people in India are not ready to put a few more thousands for a FI, despite clear signs that FI is smoother, better in gear accelerations, gives you more kilometers per can of petrol, hassle free starts, no chance of your mechanic screwing up your air-fuel mixture, lower carbonation and what nots. I wonder who would pay for a mordern diesel engine on a bike. It will be too complicated and roadside mechanics are certainly out of option. At the best this bike could be targetted at Farmers but will they buy this instead of their good old splendour especially since they can save many thousands.

                          I think a hybrid bike is a better bet for long distance travellers but then who wants a hybrid. I would rather drive that old 200cc carbed bike for which our manufacturers charge like crazy because reboring costs like 10k bucks around or my old 150cc sport bike which looks like a replica of that 1000cc one.

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                          • #28
                            i would love to see gas turbine engines on bikes !! like tha MMT Y2k turbine...
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by yamahatrooper View Post
                              Are you serious???
                              Originally posted by pradeep reddy View Post
                              i have been hearing rumours from a long time of kidney problems but not heart related problems...

                              modern diesel engine on a bike would love to see that thing run..

                              Yes man its true due to lots of vibrations (if only used for long course of time)
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                              • #30
                                it would be hero and RE

                                saw a news on ndtv profit today 9 pm show (Profit at night) today. 05JAN2011

                                Hero is planning 400 cc diesel bike after HONDA divorce , most probably they will launch it in Q4 2012 .

                                they told a lot of details i could not remember all, deal to be signed with some Chennai firm for engine supply they also told the engine is under ARAI certification.
                                They also mentioned that Royal Enfield also planning the same.

                                We are really obsessed with mileage

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