that was just a reply & for ur info.
Anyways, I think that his thread wont serve any purpose.
Am out of here.

@amvj,
FYI, Yamaha and Suzuki have brought in MT-01, R1,Hayabusa and Intruder into India, they cost about 10+ lacs, If you want ultimate performace machines, you can buy any of these offerings.
We should thank Japanese for their present product range. 99% Indians need a bike to commute not to race(P220/Zmas are also used mostly for commuting). No where in the world you'll find low cost commuter bikes like CD-Delux, which gives 150mpg,can take two adults effortlessly over tough roads, yet reliable and good quality build that can last for over 5 years and available for just $700 !!??!!
Also thank Japanese for creating 100s of auto ancillary units in India (1000s of jobs), thank them for the making their bikes entirely in India(jobs again). Thank them for teaching basics of bike making to all present bike makers, thank them for bringing in 4S revolution (greener technology), thank them for making biking affordable to even poor middle class, thank them for making a revolution in personal transport in India as a whole.

@OLIAS and ALL

I got what Olias wrote and that is what we can do to create maximum impact. Sitting here and mulling on the subject among us is not going to help at all. Other than discussing about the pathetic attitude of bike manufacturers or govt policies we can start discussing about how to make this issue a national level campaign and bring the needed mature attention towards it. I guess WE BIKERS are capable of doing more than just discussing on forums. (ya forums are needed to come on a single platform but brotherhood should not be limited to just stand on a platform and keep waiting for things to happen, let catch a relevant train and reach our destinations).

bottom line: discussing about ATTITUDES in INDIA is a waste of time. We can atleast do somehthing to change them.

Which foolish is asking for a 250 cc imported/SKD bike for 2.5 lakhs.

A 250 cc ZMA or Pulsar or Apache, with all other things being the same as at present, but with a suitable change in Bore X Stroke measures alone would/can take you to 250 cc 25 PS+ range under Rs. 1 lakh. As I said earlier, You will not have to invent rocket science to make it possible.

Govt. only makes policy and technical framework. Rest is for businessmen to pursue and to transact. Nowadays I am finding all kinds of imported good beer legally all over India. Does GoI promote and encourage such imports for such consumer items?

So, the manufacturers are misusing the protection provided to them by GoI, by not providing anything between 200 to 600 cc. So, should such protectionism continue now also especially when it has been found without any result.

Yeah, and I can go and buy 01 R1, 1.5 Hayabusa, 0.5 MT-01, and at least 2 Blades, due to this easy availability of bikes. I and my next 07 generations would remain indebted to Japs for their great service to our country and our countrymen.

So, the crux of the matter is none of above hold good. I can make available any number of examples of other much smaller, poorer, technically challenged countries whose natives are getting much more than our people are getting in the form of biking tools.

Why didn't TVS start, after Fiero-Suzuki breakup, on a new 200-300 cc platform, instead of putting their efforts into Fiero platform for this 150-180 cc range?

What was the compulsion for Bajaj to limit the size of their engine to 217 cc, a size which would not remain relevant for a very long time? At least they could have gone upto 240 cc.

On this count, Tata is a much better progressive manufacturer who can think out-of-the-box. Joint venture with Fiat, development of Nano from scratch, Purchase of JLR, use of international design house for new Indica vista, indicate the depth of their planning.

So this is our fate. Reconcile to it. Or modify the exisiting current platforms to satisfy your hidden black desires . And enjoy.

^^^^as you said 99% people use for commuting intead of racing...... dear where to race there is no single track in most of our citys !!!!!!!
I tell you about my city riders only few have some heavy pocket so they can affort the racing on YZ on the dirt track !!!! taking about the rest rider they are arangeing money from here and there ........some don't even have there own bikes but still when you see those riders they jsut fly on there bikes !!!!!!!I just blame goverment for all this there is no single
rupee is spend on developing anysports related to biking where on cricket millions of amout is spend ????????now what you say guys ^^^^??????

first of all congrats for starting another thread....... its like old wine with modern advertisement .......
yes India is largest bike market........ but can we have a look at other aspects also....... its either a teen asking his daddy to buy a bike to him or a newly employed person buying(having a lot of other responsibilities also) or a middle class person opting for a VFM bike........ even young peoples also have opinion like why to waste so much money on this bike, its mileage is less....... buy a car in place of the bike(like cars give very good mileage)........ till now the opinion about a biker in our country is like that of Hooligans()........ so cos. are enjoying the scenario & earning profits.......

we need to start somewhere....... maybe this is the starting point.......


@Technician --- good points.......
but why we ask for 250cc only & not more...... later, we again have to wait for 6-8 years to jump to 400cc .......

@Olias ---- very well said buddy....... we are also maturing....... but it takes time and effort........ and hoping to see some good changes in coming year with the growing competition........


@all ---- till now when this type of topic comes or thread appears, some1 or the other starts either a brand war or start accusing the cos. or start cursing the gov. or some other points......... we should look at ourselves......... what have we done......... at least we can have a few suggestions also........ there are so many senior people are out here........ at least they can suggest something......... its about a start......... a small spark can start a fire......... now we are talking in a forum & later we can at least try to implement that idea........
we are here(at xbhp) from every part of our contry........ can't we do anything....... do we have to just sit back and watch........

Hero Honda have also learned the art of fitting disc brakes in 100cc bikes. (read Passion Pro)

and on the topic my view is---

sales were 7,00,000... in this figure i bet number of 100cc bikes is more than 125-150cc...probably 5 lac , so these motorcycle companies prefers them and listens for the majority of people as they demand nothing except cheap bikes and mileage not the minority who constantly demands for more and more... thats what i think...

we have R1 or other high performance motorcycles only 2 years back while they are having this for 2 decades. Hence developed nations are very aware of high performance motorcycles. So you can't see all the people will buy big motorcycles in an instant. It may take some time to read about it, see it, and feel it and only then people will buy. So surely Indians will buy sbks after some years of time.

Even in the developed nations you can't say every people buying the R1 or other bikes for racing. Some buys it for poser value, some use it for touring and some use it for commuting and some use it for multi-purpose.

Verdict:

Absolutely! It will be a very hard job, but someone has to do it. The early bird catches the worm... or something like that.

What's the first thing most buyers ask here in India. "What's the mileage?"

I was reading an article in a bike magazine about a girl buying her first bike in england. She tested several bikes in 300cc segment. After much deliberation on the pros and cons of different bikes, she settled for the Triumph. Never once did the question of mileage arise. This is perhaps the difference in attitute which manufacturers are well aware of.

I purchased my first bike (ZMA) just two months ago. Already, several people have asked me about the mileage. Not one has asked me about handling, performance or other characteristics so far .

Despite having 200 + cc bikes here. Its the 150 and lower segment thats making the bulk of the sale...by a huge margin. I think the manufacturers knows what they are doing.

And yes, When for example, Honda makes powerful motorcycle. They are not thinking of only the 60,000 in Japan. They are thinking in term of the world over.

The problem here in INDIA is with almost everything...

(old horse) CBZ been the first modern desi bike introduced to INDIA....with many as options in it....what the current desi bikes has in it......
Remember it came from HH.......so do not bash HH for its bikes.....

HH has both types of bikes in thier stable........which can compensate both racing enthusiasts and also commuters....

HUNK, ZMA, Xtreme are still the Desi bikes from HH's Stable......

Problem is not everything....... I think few of us cant live without problems....... thats why we just keep on shouting and creating a mess.......