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my "personal and my own" views follow.

india's current population..

1,147,995,904

out of that say how many live in rural,semi-urban areas?ill say roughly 60%?
now every company is here only for one thing.PROFIT. they are not here to satisfy you and me but their owners.(read stakeholders).now still as of today the rural market is dubbed to be highly PROFITABLE.imagine this. i as a company see immense potential in this sector.they have bullock carts,donkey carts cycles,basically natural powered things.if i just introduce a 100cc bike with immense mileage,my product is instant hit.money starts flowing in and all are jolly jolly.so this is ONE of the factors why HERO HONDA is at the TOP.quality is one thing.but if u can just observe,there will be more splendors and cd-100s than platinas and discovers.now this is ofcourse changing.pulsar has mostly dominated everywhere.but still HH has gone real deep into INDIA.

second point i would like to point out is that we are very FUEL CONSCIOUS!my experience(and many have the same).
when i bought my 180 ug3,whenever i stopped at a junction,i was asked the same question."bhai kitna mileage?".the youth is ofcourse going deep into IT.great jobs great money great purchasing power.but consider this.recession made many companies feel the heat.if you were getting X salary now you are getting Y.so that indirectly affects your FUEL BILL.or shall i say direct.remember how karizma first was tagged as the most IN-efficient bike in INDIA?
now please correct if i am wrong but,more power=more fuel required right?so higher CC mostly doesnt digest with a "common man".

i believe systems in US and INDIA are whole different.their pay packages are different(as in earnings)their lifestyle is different.their governance is different.taxes different etc etc etc..end point,they can easily afford higher end bikes.
we as INDIANS suffer not only bike basis but on products.its the duties and taxes that make things costly.not only for us but for the companies.also into the factor are raw material prices,component manufacturing expenses(which is ofcourse outsourced)forming a new platform for higher end CC bikes component manufacturing+the important part which is MARGIN.they do study that tomorrow if we do launch a 400cc bike and if there are few takers,how much loss can the company bear??then you come to know that the costs incurred will be high and its best not to do it. so as of now stick to the 100-150-220 segment.people still do not have money.Credit well yes.but you obviously have to pay back with interest!and if your initial income drops drastically then what??

its majorly taxes and stuff not only on bikes but on electronics that make goods unnecessary costly.

companies do a lot of study on this.they do know that urban class is a big potential market for big bikes.but their study also shows that we as public cant afford it right now.

but they will come real soon.

my 2 p

anvancy

Lovely Reply anvancy.

A much simple answer is demand & supply. The higher cc bikes Simply dont exist because there isnt enough demand & by demand I mean people who would actually buy an expensive performance bike rather than post on forums saying they would buy one.

No, we don't.

What you just penned down is nothing new of what has been happening in Indian auto mobile industry. Every one knows about it and laugh it off. The only age range that can feel any kind of excitement in the bikes and cars made in India are 2-8 old year kids. And might be some dogs.

You have a point which says "why not", and unfortunately companies have too many "but why"

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to ask why we cannot import bikes < 800 cc ?? Anyone ??

how many sbks would be sold in india according to you??
i think very low
and these much would not fill their pockets
their pockets would be filled by producing bikes for the comman man who are very much satisfied by the indian mopeds

thanks technocrat.

now the catch is that when R-15 was to be launched,many said that the bike pricing is just way to high.but now what do you see?people of every nook and corner are buying the R-15.

there is a contrasting situation in INDIA.one hand we see anybody and everybody riding the "costliest" bike and simultaneously people still sticking to splendor +++++++.......^n.majority of it are now psychological driven purchases.if my neighbour has a X product ill tell him that i too can afford it.

people tend to forget to research.see what suits you the best.even if people say that the bike is bad,you as a person being it ur personal choice find it perfect for your custom needs.we dont do research,buy blindfolded and then suffer.on this very basis many companies make chunks of profits.

the situation is so real deep that we have to work at very less wage in office.if we ask for raise,our boss simply replies.."beta..line mein 400 log khade hain for ur post ready to work same wage".below you have to pay high for everything..veggies,gas,fares,etc.. and thats why we say that middleclass are the true common men and women. upar se bhi JHELO aur NICHE se BHI! THIS IS ALSO A PART OF REALITY.

being a middleclass man..(atleast i am)majority of the big purchases are through loans.but i will extend and rip myself upto a certain limit.i cant stretch beyond that.the thin line of INTEREST and PENALTY glares in the eyes.i default one payment,recovery agents are standing at the door.

there are en multiple factors attached when a company wants to launch a product.so they adopt for TRIED AND TESTED path.Sony chal raha hai na..SONY lo.baki all bakwas.100-150cc chal rahi hai na.galla pe paisa aa raha hai na..karte raho manufacture.

in the end i simply cannot buy a bike for 2L.cause then other investment options open up for me.IF i am a wealthy rich guy..situation is different.the taxes and duties make things costly.end result??illegal import.
i still dont understand why cant the govt atleast reduce duties taxes on computer hardware and software??

there are some problems that you have to live and die.just like when a common man dies nobody knows.but what those ppl sitting up dont know that this very common man was paying loyal through his sweat just that his contribution will take the country a step forward.but then do we move forward??

They still say,its now a buyer's market.i cant see implications.i still see situations where,yehi hai boss..lena hai to lo..varna its ur prob.

we as common have to face everything..and thats a REALITY.

anvancy

Huge round of applause for you bro..

To all who replied, you are all correct. Companies are only interested in profit, and right now they see no real market for high performance bikes.

But the really F***** up part is the rule that you cant import bikes less than 800cc. This is one of the reasons why people are not able to buy superbikes. Because there are very few people who can afford bikes like the R1 and Hayabusa. If they allowed 400cc or 600cc bikes to be imported, a lot more people would be able to buy those bikes, even with ridiculous import taxes.

But whatever said and done am i unfair in askin the manufacturers a bike with say 300+cc, 30odd bhp and say 30odd mileage for around 1-1.25lakh. I mean if so many people are buying an R-15 i am sure there would be buyers for a such a bike too

the fact is that there is no market in india for performance bikes, we do agree that people have been buying the R15 like any thing. but that is 1Lakh and some odd thousands to get it on road. but how many people went for R1 if i remember correctly its around 100 odd bikes that have been sold since it was launchec. i know that it is a big number but do you really think so that to sell just around 100 bikes in such a long time that is around an year. companies would invest all that money in the research. making is bike is not a simple procedure like making a Roti or what ever you would like to use as a example. just cause you come on a forum and post that you love super bikes you love the performance biking, that does not garuntee the manufacturers that the bike would be sold like their other models, even they have to look at things. you beleive it or not but i have contacts here in HH, Suzuki and YAMAHA. i have seen the bikes they have for research they have bikes ranging from a 18 BHP pumping HONDA nova 2 stroke to a Triumph speed triple.
they are doing things that have to be done but it takes time. thats all

a true and honest feedback of indian 2 wheeler industry condition

a true and honest feedback of indian 2 wheeler industry futuristic condition as my firiend is working with honda and he too confirmed the same news regarding honda, but the other point raised to allow import of bikes less than 800 cc is a better way as there is competition and secondly if we can launch worlds cheapest car with nano with a engine of 600 cc we can also manufacture bikes of 400 cc at low cost

very true indeed, but the manufacturers have to think it that way too...ppl do tend to buy a 600 cc car over a 400 cc bike....if you take the overall ppl out that ppl who will go for a good performance machine will be very very low....so its like a race btw customers and manufacturers, only time will tell who will win

As part of the society, the two-wheeler manufacturing companies have a responsibility in releasing the right vehicles meant for the target market. In our country where there is no emphasis on safety, total disregard for rules and complete apathy for life, I feel it's right that the companies haven't released high powered bikes in our country. Even getting a licence is just a formality, with nobody to ensure the person obtaining the licence has the required knowledge and training to ride such vehicles. So, I pray these vehicles don't become common commuter vehicles till our people respect the power and other people on the road.