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  • #16
    Never had any issues with "vibration" on the Pulsars. Sometimes the vibrations are more an issue with the way the engine is mounted on the chassis rather than the engine itself.

    Why does an Indica Vista vibrate so much more than a Fiat Punto or a Suzuki Swift?

    The chassis can even "amplify" the vibrations and the end result is there for all to see. Royal Enfields...MT01...they all vibrate "Royally"
    Kriss : 15.06.1981 - 11.10.2009
    You will not be forgotten...RIP

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
      When comparing so called 'BIG' japs to Bajaj one should remember that Japs have been in business for better part of the century where as Bajaj started tinkering merely 15 years ago. Also a point of fact is Bajaj started with scooters and three wheelers and not bikes. Since then they have made considerable improvements. Starting with the 4s champion they moved on to caliber boxer etc.then there is one word "ELIMINATOR". Each better than the last (Although the improvements remained marginal). It should also be remembered that it was bajaj who brought "4 stroke pro biking" to the masses. Bajaj gave indian customers things like disc brakes as standard, digi consoles and led tail lamps. Not taking away anything from the Japs, with all the technology at their disposal, for the past decade their contribution to Indian biking has been less than promising. Yes japs could have built a far superior bike to the Pulsar. However the fact remains that they did not.

      Now to answer your direct question.

      1.Bajaj R&d, while making headway, is also very VERY stubborn. For example, when asked why there are not any changes to the basic chassis or suspension in pulsars, a very esteemed engineer from Bajaj replied that "It was a proven set up. why do you want to change it?".

      2. Cost factor: We do get Bajaj bikes cheaper than any other company. The cheaper the cost, the cheaper the internal quality of the engine.Also this affects the quality of Plastic and fastening parts.

      3. Lack of experience: As many of the other people have pointed out (Including my good friend Mr. Tripathy) Bajaj lacks the metallurgical skills to create a silent engine. It also goes in to making the clutch smoother and making the internals stick together longer than 10,000 kms under actual road conditions.

      4. Leaner running bikes: Bajaj bikes are generally very lean running which affects the life of the engine considerably.

      Bajaj has improved its quality, at least for the Pulsar range of bikes, over the last decade. However they still have a long way to go. As Mr. Kashyap pointed out in the previous post, Bajaj's R&d could benefit from the racing scene, by their own admission, Bajaj's primary focus is on efficiency rather than speed. When it comes to quality Bajaj needs to work on it from every aspect down to their owner's manuals. It is actually disheartening to know that Bajaj is thinking about drawing the line at 250 cc singles as they will only be importing bigger bikes.
      +1 Well said brother....Bajaj has the highest margin of profit and is twice than the industry avg... this means cheaper parts on Bajaj bikes compared to competition, which may not be great in quality as compared to Hondas/Yamaha/Suzukis. 7 year old Pulsar classic's exhaust still shines like new, whereas some 2 year old black exhaust are getting rusted.

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      • #18
        id have to agree with bhibu!

        Would like to add a few points -

        They come out with one upgrade or the other every year or so, so the customer is left in limbo to upgrade, or run with what he has. This allows them to reduce the design life of the vehicle. A reduced design life, means cheaper parts and a cheaper vehicle. THis is exactly what honda and toyota did to GM and Ford in the US, in addition to the burdens they already had.

        - They can aggressively price their products, which again bears on refinement and durability. Not that they have not experimented, but still.

        - The pulsar series of engine, though good in terms of performance, is not lasting.. you can still see the CBZ classic on the road, but you will only find the non dtsi engines lasting that long from bajaj, the first gen dtsi ( wire spoke 18 inchers ) , are no where in sight!!


        My offerings to the gods of speed -

        - KTM Duke 200
        - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


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        • #19
          The Bajaj Pulsar was one bike which was designed from scratch till the latest version completely in india, TVS on the other end also did all R&D and introduced lot of bikes in india out of which only the fiero and apache stood the test of time.

          The two wheeler companies in our country can procure all techniques of vibration reduction, high power and pickups, but again if one product is a hit and selling like a hot cake which can meet the demand of 100 customers like the demand of good mileage, city driving at the speed of 40, can compromise on less power, maintenance has to be low, and on the other side there are 10 persons who wants high power, zero vibrations, everything perfect the manufacturer will first manufacture the bikes demanded in mass as they will sell more and offer him good returns and than later when he has capital he will invest in technology like less noise reduction and all what the other class is demanding and than with every innovation he will offer his manufactured bike in a new package.

          Our government also has a rule which doesnt allow less than 800 cc bikes to be imported which is a plus point for our indian 2 wheeler manufacturers.Had the rule not been there we may have never seen the pulsars or apaches in our country as we see today.
          So its all like firstly what people want in mass are first satisfied and than later the other class is satisfies keeping the mass demand in mind. like the difference between old pulsar and the new pulsars.As today we see there is a class of people who buy pulsar, cbz and even karizma which was not 10 years ago.

          So its like to wait and watch

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