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**jd666** · 01-18-2010, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by samarr View Post

+1...

80% time it does not work in city at least...Show the mid finger....it works

always

Not if the car driver stops his car, turns about and comes chasing your down for showing him that. Happened to my friend. and it was his fault for showing his finger when he should've flashed his beam.

**pali** · 01-18-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

Not if the car driver stops his car, turns about and comes chasing your down for showing him that. Happened to my friend. and it was his fault for showing his finger when he should've flashed his beam.

really?? i thought of doing this to a truck driver today.. thankfully i didnt or else he would have run over me with his truck listening to what you say.. lol

**NitinGirish** · 01-18-2010, 10:21 PM

This light non-sense is very very annoying. On outer ring road I was doing about 80kmph in my car when suddenly in the OVRM I see a biker flashing headlights. Very distracting coz the light was blinding me. I was livid. Swerved left and he got the shock of his life

Up ahead at the traffic light he started arguing with me. My mother was on board, else I wouldn't have hesitated for some on road 'exercise'.

All poser jokers

If somebody has the balls to overtake between a truck and a car doing 80kmph, they will do so without doing showgiri.

That said, it is helpful in asking people to stay in their lane while overtaking.

**coolboy007** · 01-18-2010, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by NitinGirish View Post

This light non-sense is very very annoying. On outer ring road I was doing about 80kmph in my car when suddenly in the OVRM I see a biker flashing headlights. Very distracting coz the light was blinding me. I was livid. Swerved left and he got the shock of his life

Up ahead at the traffic light he started arguing with me. My mother was on board, else I wouldn't have hesitated for some on road 'exercise'.

Well i avoid flashing lights as much as possible because i drive a car too and know how distracting it is when someone continously flashes headlights behind, would be better if he just gives a little honk at night.

Sometimes giving a dipper (just 1 flash) is necessary when a slowpoke doing 40-50 moves in right lane and theres very less gap b/w divider and car.
When in car i usually put the RVM on night mode and both ORVM pointing towards tarmac at night

so nothing blinds me. Hope my Linea had a auto dimming ORVM to cope with such scenarios

**samarr** · 01-21-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

Not if the car driver stops his car, turns about and comes chasing your down for showing him that. Happened to my friend. and it was his fault for showing his finger when he should've flashed his beam.

Ya man...I always put pass light. But wen it does not work, it comes naturally

. But most of the ppl dont knw the meaning of flashing the beam...Its frustating really!!! Y they need to drive in high beam in city wen we hv street lights..tht to in small lanes...Thr r pot holes u may hit thm...The new bees getting new cars...I feel they dont deserve it at all. Even if u show them hand signal to go to low beam, they jst cant understand..The new car owners dont mind to put fog lights on a clean summer nite..In this matter I feel the truck drivers or cabbies are more intelligent. In highway wen u put pass light they respect its meaning.

**yellowspunk** · 07-30-2010, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

General Biking Discussion Approved.

thank you for approving the topic. i know this is a very late reply. i'm active on xbhp but i totally forgot about this topic i created lol

Originally posted by Grease Monk View Post

THe google result you recieved is how the headlight flash is used abroad. For example, when a truck on the freeway in an adjacent lane wants to change lanes and has his indicator on, you can flash your headlight to indicate to him that he is clear to come into your lane and you do not wish to accelerate.

Most of the time the truckers even return with a 'thank you' flash from their hazard warning lights when done.

Another instance, when flashing the headlights is useful is when approaching 4 way junctions. Although there are a set of rules as to who gets right of way, in some instances, depending upon the timing of the approach of the vehicles to the junction, there may be some ambiguity. In this instance, any of the drivers who wants to give right of way to the other simply flashes their head lights to communicate to the other driver that they may proceed.

It is very interesting how this symbol has the opposite meaning in the west and in India. My interpretation of it is the mindset of people on the road. Abroad, everyone is worried about liability and negligence suits and there is a general sense of camaraderie or respect on the road. In India, on the other hand, it is a rat race where everyone wants to get to their destination as fast as possible and anyone who gets in their way be damned. Me-first, see a gap - take it, all are attitudes of Indian drivers\riders that we need to grow out of considering the volumes of vehicles we have on the road.

perfectly true ! thanks bro..

that is what i understood of it too but got confused..

1.When coming from behind I use pass to show my intention of overtaking. i dont keep pressing it.. i just give a blip or two.

2.When coming from behind i use it to tell the driver in front that he is using up my space or coming too close to me.

3.When i'm coming from the opposite direction, i use it to tell them to give way for me. (if they flash back i slow down)

4.also when the opposite vehicle is using high-beam which blinds me.

i almost never honk at night.. i hate horns !!

**Prakritij** · 07-30-2010, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

I use it for two instances, to let the person know who i am overtaking, that i am overtaking him, by flashing my headlight behind him. And other when i dont have adequate road width ( or safe road width ), available, because the oncoming vehicle is overtaking another vehicle or too much on the wrong side ( mainly on a two way highway), to warn him that i dont have adequate space, and he should move back into his lane.

same here

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**Prakritij** · 07-30-2010, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by ceasar View Post

i also use it to warn oncoming vehicles if their head lights are on high beam and if they're blinding me,i flash the light and some polite people on two-wheeler and some times 4 wheeler switch to low beam,some times even truck drivers flash their lights ..but these bus drivers never bother to do that,they are the most reckless drivers on the road.

very true and happens all the time with me

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**tibby** · 07-30-2010, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

Not if the car driver stops his car, turns about and comes chasing your down for showing him that. Happened to my friend. and it was his fault for showing his finger when he should've flashed his beam.

Hehe.. I did something similar to a Meru cab here in B'lore. Didn't expect a chase, but he did chase me. A flyover came to my rescue!!

If not for the flyover, I was a goner!

Learnt from my mistake big time, & never do that now.

Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post

1.When coming from behind I use pass to show my intention of overtaking. i dont keep pressing it.. i just give a blip or two.

2.When coming from behind i use it to tell the driver in front that he is using up my space or coming too close to me.

3.When i'm coming from the opposite direction, i use it to tell them to give way for me. (if they flash back i slow down)

4.also when the opposite vehicle is using high-beam which blinds me.

Exactly how & why I use the dipper switch too!

The googled information posted by a member is not relevant in the Indian driving/ riding context. The above 4 points pretty much sum up the use of dipper/ pass light in India IMO.

**Ganeshan** · 08-01-2010, 10:30 PM

This is really interesting because in Europe we also have the same dilemma in that flashing lights means one thing is one country, and another thing in another country.

Here in Portugal if someone flashes you it means "Don't move, don't even think about it, I'm coming fast and have no intention to slow down". That would apply if you were waiting to pull out at a junction, or about to overtake a vehicle. But in England that would generally mean "Go on, pull out, or overtake". Opposite meanings that can cause deadly accidents...

In the UK advanced motorcycle course it is stated "Flashing headlights should only be used for one purpose: to inform other road users of your presence when the horn would not be heard, and in place of the horn at night. Never assume that a headlight flash is a signal to proceed and be aware that some drivers may interpret a headlight flash as an act of aggression." That last bit is quite interesting as it's basically saying that the wrong headlight flash in Britain could lead to road rage.

**daredemon** · 08-01-2010, 11:34 PM

Flashers

In foreign countries when they flash once means you can go ahead.
Flash twice means i want to overtake - give me way

But here in india its totally opposite
you flash once or twice it means to give way - i want to overtake.

I am totally against honking. Its a big noise pollution plus sometimes
it even irritates. And here people are always in a hurry to get to their destination.

I guess here in india we are not taught the manners of riding and i think
it will be diffcult in the future also due to our ever growing population.

Its only riders like us who can spread this awareness amongst others as well the future budding youths.

**pulsater** · 08-02-2010, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Grease Monk View Post

THe google result you recieved is how the headlight flash is used abroad. For example, when a truck on the freeway in an adjacent lane wants to change lanes and has his indicator on, you can flash your headlight to indicate to him that he is clear to come into your lane and you do not wish to accelerate.

Most of the time the truckers even return with a 'thank you' flash from their hazard warning lights when done.

Another instance, when flashing the headlights is useful is when approaching 4 way junctions. Although there are a set of rules as to who gets right of way, in some instances, depending upon the timing of the approach of the vehicles to the junction, there may be some ambiguity. In this instance, any of the drivers who wants to give right of way to the other simply flashes their head lights to communicate to the other driver that they may proceed.

It is very interesting how this symbol has the opposite meaning in the west and in India. My interpretation of it is the mindset of people on the road. Abroad, everyone is worried about liability and negligence suits and there is a general sense of camaraderie or respect on the road. In India, on the other hand, it is a rat race where everyone wants to get to their destination as fast as possible and anyone who gets in their way be damned. Me-first, see a gap - take it, all are attitudes of Indian drivers\riders that we need to grow out of considering the volumes of vehicles we have on the road.

you just saved my time typing all that. Spot on.

Originally posted by Ganeshan View Post

This is really interesting because in Europe we also have the same dilemma in that flashing lights means one thing is one country, and another thing in another country.

Here in Portugal (or Spain) if someone flashes you it means "Don't move, don't even think about it, I'm coming fast and have no intention to slow down". That would apply if you were waiting to pull out at a junction, or about to overtake a vehicle. But in England that would generally mean "Go on, pull out, or overtake". Opposite meanings that can cause deadly accidents...

thanks for mentioning, didn't knew that.

Originally posted by Ganeshan View Post

In the UK advanced motorcycle course it is stated "Flashing headlights should only be used for one purpose: to inform other road users of your presence when the horn would not be heard, and in place of the horn at night. Never assume that a headlight flash is a signal to proceed and be aware that some drivers may interpret a headlight flash as an act of aggression." That last bit is quite interesting as it's basically saying that the wrong headlight flash in Britain could lead to road rage.

this is even more interesting. Its TOTALLY opposite of what road users practise in UK. Are you sure about this?

Originally posted by nirav46 View Post

The Pass light is used for 3 reason

1.To let the person ahead you know that you wish to overtake.

But is it really the correct use of passing light in India? To be honest, I have been doing the same thing all my life while riding and driving back in my hometown. Can anyone actually give a link or source of complete traffic rules in India please?

**madhav krishna** · 08-02-2010, 12:59 AM

i use the flash lights for

1. If someone is using high beam i use it rapidly to make the other rider use low beam.
2. to overtake
3. If someone is coming infront of me & we have a chance of collision then i use it to intimate the other rider.

**ravisanjeevk** · 08-02-2010, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post

i use the flash lights for

1. If someone is using high beam i use it rapidly to make the other rider use low beam.
2. to overtake
3. If someone is coming infront of me & we have a chance of collision then i use it to intimate the other rider.

Just my experience on road.
I do the same thing but one more instance where I use the light.

I travel Mangalore- Bangalore regularly and I know most of the Volvo Drivers of KSRTC as we stop at a common destination for tea/snacks. Some time I would be traveling in opposite direction. When we pass through each other and don't have time to stop for a chat. Either me or the Volvo Driver gives me a pass several times and honks when he is just passing me. When I know it is a driver that I know I return by flashing at him saying I have acknowledge the signal and honk/wave towards him.

Both of wave if we get a chance.

**Ganeshan** · 08-02-2010, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

this is even more interesting. Its TOTALLY opposite of what road users practise in UK. Are you sure about this?

Yes definitely, well at least this is just what it says in my IAM course book, Motorcycle Roadcraft.

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