^^ Going wide around a corner and locking both wheels is not a problem of the bike! You over estimated the capabilities of the bike, with every bike you need to adjust your riding style. This even when switching between two good handling bikes!

I think I previously said that RTR/ R15 would be much better handlers. Also Pulsar 220 and these bikes are for different purposes. RTR/R15 are track oriented bikes. Ask if they are good for touring compared to Pulsar 220.

I never said Pulsar 220 is the best handling bike but its not a bad handler. I do not agree with it. Its a great handler and there are better bikes for track out there. But if you have to keep one bike which does duty everywhere - I think Pulsar 220 rules. I think its better handling than ZMA as well.

You should avoid wheel locks, specially on a lean. Pulsar 220 breaks are pretty good and under hard braking, they will lock but they also make sure you stop in time.

I feel we need to take out the condition that such and such bike handles well on track and such and such bike handles well on tours, etc.

We instead need to define what is handling and how can we benchmark the bike based on those defined parameters.

Again, I never said the 220 handles bad. Its extremely stable in a straightline, but when it comes to going around corners it definitely is behind the competition in that aspect.

Between the ZMA and 220, the ZMA corners much better than the 220 and on the other hand the 220 is much much more stable in a straightline, this is most evident in heavy crosswinds.

On my 220, I run a stiffened front and rear plus much better tyres than stock and these all have really helped with the handling. But around a corner its still some time away from getting close to the RTR/R15's handling.

Praful can you please mention what kind of changes you have made in your bike
for better handling?

I am going to stiffen the front n rear suspensions

What quantity of extra oil should I add in the front forks?

I dont think the engineers at moto gp teams think so. Inspite of having the best human skill available, they spend millions to gain 1 second a lap by improving the machine technologically.

Agreed on most part except that these guys talks in term of a tenth per lap.

Exactly. They have the best human skills. Their room for growth as a rider is so small they have to improve the bike. Also it would be stupid to say its all about the bike. Will anyone say that doctor wins only because of the M1?

'We' have a lot of room to grow. I do not thing we have many riders here who can ride their bike's even ZMA's and Pulsars to their limits.

I read somewhere on xbhp only that someone fills their tank (Pulsar 220) with only 2 litres of petrol because handling is affected if there is more fuel in the tank. According to me its pure BS. These things affect handling etc after at extreme skill level when you are touching your knee down and have to go past a competitor with high throttle and lean the bike in other direction at the same time.

Also we need to look at the tyre that the respective bikes are using. I think Zappers are better than Eurogrips (I think the other stock tyre on P220). At the face of it even I thought that Eurogrips were better because of the more rounded profile but its not so. But I think Zappers are better (P220 has two stock tyres - eurogrip and zapper - you can pick and choose while ordering)

Eurogrip Tyres are nothing but Rebranded-TVS Tyres!!

hmm....but shouldn't they be making good tyres with all their racing experience?

They have won all of their races using the "crappy" TVS tyres only.

Post-R15 launch they have switched to the MRF Zappers(R15's). They never felt the need for a better tyre until this tyre's launch.

@dhairya

Refrained from commenting till now,
But I see difference of opinion in your comments it self

"I totally disagree with this opinion that Pulsar 220 is not a good handler. I think its a great handler. As good handler as a R15, I do not know as I have never ridden the R15"

Please ride then comment.

Agreed that 220 requires more skills,
BUT the handling does NOT inspire confidence, the bike wobbles
around corners that are even slightly uneven.

R15 is a bike that Teaches you, it inspires confidence,
IF according to your FIRST STATEMENT r15 and 220 would handle the same, there was no need of so much R&D involved in r15 .

Both Bikes have different Characters different purpose,
its just to improve and understand a part lacking(ya it is lacking lets accept it) This thread was brought up

About Skill
Why a rider feel less confidence on an 220 and more on an RTR or R15
May be due to size, but that's not the only factor, Think over it.


About filling 2 liters of Fuel,
Yes filling less fuel ACTUALLY helped me, today i filled the tank to full
and there is a difference in handling,

1ltr of petrol @ 25*C weighs 737gms
so 15 ltr would weigh 11.55 KG,
that amount would affect acceleration, and also 11.55 KG is ENOUGH to alter
the COG, and change dynamics, hence it will indeed affect handling

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I have recently purchased a P220 and I can say after riding RTR and R15 extensively that P220 is a good handling bike it is not as flickable as the other two i mention due to longer wheel base and high sitting position but it is a confidence inspiring bike.

p220 is just a wrestler on steroids....strong,powerful,heavy,head on type.....r15 is the ballerina of bikes...slick,smooth,and glides along with the wind

As rightly said by Praful


Everyone has different perception of handling/comparing it to others
so opinions WILL differ, unless judged on the same parameters