Finally the interesting stuff is coming in!

@Anirudh: Good to see you back on xBhp. That was a very good set of tips for everyone.

@Anirudh- Ok now my query is that how do you change lines in mid-corner? i've seen guys in moto-gp rushing in on the inside cutting the rider in the front, and my natural reaction is "ok, now that rider in front is going to run-wide" but that does'nt happen, how? i know if you let off the throttle the bike comes back to it's upright position but that also means that you are going to lose your lean and turn angle, ending up going straight, and if he tries to flick the bike again there are chances of his bike either low or high siding it

The next problem i have is my exit-speed in slow/sharp corner, it's way too low to actually power out rapidly, suppose i'm entering a slow left-corner at 65kmph at fifth gear, i drop one gear, brake and then lean through the corner with throttle at mid-way at somewhere around 40-45kmph, but when i exit the revs invariably drop and i end up slapping the chain during the exit

@Anirudh:::which one is better at cornering p220 or karizma

at what speed were you taking that turn ? ..

I noticed now that he is looking at the camera

I am always on xbhp man. Life here is a lot different to how it was there. So took some time to get active here once again. Good to see you guys back too and the fact that xbhp is up and running is gr8 news. Kudos to sunny and team and all those responsible for that.

Ok dude firstly stop comparing ur techniques to that of the motogp riders. They are far away from us both in terms of skills and machinery. Now coming to a normal bike. Let us take a simple example of two zma's racing each other. Now like u said the rider from behind(rider 2) is cutting the rider in front(rider 1). Firstly the fact that rider 2 is able to come in front of rider 1 into the corner means one of the following things. Either rider 1 has braked really hard or rider 2 has carried more speed out of the previous corner or it cud be a case of late braking by rider 2. Now one more concept i would like to explain here is early apex and late apex.

Now in the image note the red line and the green line. The red line is early apex and the green is late apex. Now the advantage of the early apex is that you are more gentle into the corner and the advantage with late apex is that u carry lot of speed out of the corner. In an early apex you approach the corner gently and throw the bike in. But u might have to cut throttle to keep the bike on track. In a late apex you brake real hard and take the corner a little later which means u can carry a line that helps u get more exit speeds as u can be sure u wont leave the track.

Now coming to the overtaking scenario again. Rider 2 is already on the inside which means rider 1 has already left the door open.Now since rider 1 is taking a tighter line into the corner which i will explain about a lil later. He cant power out of the corner so fast. So rider 2 has a chance to get him back. The reason rider1 doesnt go wide is coz he jus shuts the throttle for a split second to avoid rider 2 from hitting him and powers back. Now techically rider 1 is relatively late apexing the corner when compared to rider 2 hence rider 1 can carry more speed out of the corner. since he powers out earlier he sticks to the racing line and is right on rider 2's tail out of the corner and in some cases can get the position back.And like i said they shut throttle to the least possible extent that they dont highside the bike. if u watch closely they do make their bike upright in some cases for a split second and flip it back and power out. In motogp u gotta watch real close to see this. In low powered bikes this is more noticable. And its not like u cant change your line midway thru the corner. You just need to chop throttle and use the brakes to a minimum level though this needs some practice and experience to master.

Now coming to your slow corner issue. The problem might be that you are taking a early apex on the corner. Now depending on the next corner u gotta decide if u shud early apex or late apex. Say u have two right handers close to each other. Like two shorter edges of a rectangle. Ideally ud wanna draw a smooth curve and hence in this case u use early apex. Now let us assume the two right handers have a short straight that u can use. in this case late apex will give u some more speed on the straight to carry into the next corner. So how much speed u carry in and out of a corner and the racing line is totally dependent on what is next.

So a ideal way to take a sharp right hander( assume 90 degree turn) is to go till the braking point on the extreme left of the track. Cut throttle and tap the brake to dive the fork in and shift ur weight to the right and throw the bike in such that. ur right knee goes over the inner apex and then ur front end is pointing towards the outer apex.Once ur bike is half way through the corner nail the throttle and u shud just clip the outer apex and come back into the corner. Now the exact braking point and the next corner will determine where u brake, power out and come out of the corner. Try this and it should sort out your problem. And another tip is that for any corner never shift more than a gear. Only in a really hard right hander followed by another sharp corner you go down to 3rd. Otherwise u just stay on 4th and 5th. This way your average speed around the track is a lot more than if u cut down to the lower gears and try to power out faster. This could be a reason why u lose a lot of speed into/midway thru the corner. Coz cutting gears is gonna slow down the bike. Hope this sorts out ur issue

Cheerz


PS: Sorry for the poor job on paint

The karizma anyday man. The 220 is a superb handler into the corner but it just refuses to come out. Whereas the zma though its not as rigid as the 220 is easier to handle and comes out of the corner better. So even though the 220 is faster in the straights and into the corner a zma is always faster overall. And just for the information part my 220 was running on sticky compound tires from bridgestone and the zma was running on stock zappers. And my best times posted on bother the bikes were around the 2 min 20 sec mark. But with better tires i am sure i cudve upped my time on the zma.

Dude track pro is not me man. There are people who are lot better on Xbhp. I am sure with enough practice and dedication. Any of you guys could better my times at the track. Mine is not the fastest times on a zma anywayz. And yeah i have been good. Getting settled into the new atmosphere. And getting a bike will take a while. You have strict norms to get a riding license in this country. You actually have to take a compulsory 15 day course on how to ride a bike( how funny is that?) before they issue a safety certificate and then u go give ur test and take the license. So right now i am just sticking to Cages. I am getting a nice surprise ready for you guys soon. So until then I am a guy who is as good as crippled. When u gonna upgrade? Have u been going to track?

Thanks..yea..



Would this help you...?? and would you mind explaing it if we try to do it on a round about...??



Here'z the snap that depicts my way to do it on a round about...

Thanks for the better depiction of the paint job i did. but the part how the green line goes from inside of the corner to outside and then takes the apex is kinda wrong.

Now coming to your pic on the roundabout.Though its a good lean it wouldve been totally unnecessary if u had just thrown your body weight outside. which means the bike would be more upright and hence u can carry more speed as there wud be more contact patch. What i am trying to point out is that ur bike is leaning but u are not. Which means u are carrying lot lesser speed than u can. Notice how ur right shoulder and body is actually leaning the opposite direction to ur bike. ur body weight shud always be towards the direction of cornering. Only in motocross they lean on the opposite side which is a totally different ball game altogether.
Cheerz

oops.. not good at drawing,just thot to give it a touch..tried my level best..
Alrighto.. Now this explains me more out of it...

Also i would like to tell you that the point you said and i have highlighted it..is basicaly the main reason why i could not lean the way you want..cos when i ride in a motocross..
i generaly ot usualy tend to take turns like this or rather..push my whole wieght onto the other footrest and counter steer the bike and take very sharp turns even in a 10-15mm mud race..or a dirt race on my yamaha..

Now playing both the things.. i guess i am mixing up things.. what i thot was..
I scrapped both the foot pegs..and on dirt i could even scrap the rear foot pegs...
what nexxxt..??
THE LEG GAURD ...

what i was trying to say is that .. his technique is wrong .. although his bending the bike but his not using his body weight ..
which results in low speed but more learning ...
try to improve dude ..

Mixing up things is exactly the right term to use here.... on dirt its more about the bikes stability than speed..... but while cornering on asphalt that technique can be dangerous sometimes coz the bike might just wash off under u.... gotta make sure u dont mix it up.....work hard enuf and u shudnt find it too difficult to seperate the two.

True...

Perfect practice is needed.. Let me do it when our xBhpians in delhi would do it.. .

i'm very poor in bending bikes...