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  • My bad experience with HMSI Customer Care

    My recent interactions/communications with Customer Care of Honda Motorcycles and Scooters India Ltd. (HMSI) left me in a state of shock.

    The Case:

    I have given my three-month old, 2000km run CBF Stunner PGM-FI for second service at JSP Honda, Kukatpally, Hyderabad. The technician found a defective CrankShaft and JSP Honda offered to replace the same under warranty in four days time. After they opened the engine, found that the Crank Shaft for Stunner FI is different from Carburetted Stunner and the spare was not available anywhere in Hyderabad. Sensing the delay in procuring the Crankshaft, I complained to Honda for speeding up the process to get the spare from HMSI. I got a prompt and quick reply from HMSI Customer Care that they would look into the matter and get back to me soon. Even after a week, there was no response from Customer Care and I mailed them again, particularly asking them why the process is more delayed even after the complaint. I even called up the numbers provided in the mail from them but nobody answered (multiple calls). Now, I found that JSP Honda put the order for the crankshaft a week after they found that the same was not available in Hyderabad.

    Now, it is almost 14 days, and I directly called Honda Plant’s phone number, and my call was transferred to a lady in Customer Care, who is aware of my problem, and when I specifically asked why there has been a delay in order by JSP Honda, she only asked me if I was contacted by the dealer. With this answer, I understood that they were not following up the case. I asked her to transfer the call to a superior for further escalation. She told me, she would return the call to my mobile number with the superior in an hour. Even after a day, there has been no return call.

    This is the state of the Customer Care of HMSI.

    The Chronology of Events:

    18th May: Gave my bike for second service. By afternoon the technician informed me that the Crank Shaft was defective and they will replace it under warranty in max four days.

    21st May: I have been following with them regularly and after the warranty approval came, they started work to replace the Crank Shaft. Later, they found that the part is not fitting and Stunner FI needs a different Crank Shaft than regular Stunner. There was no stock of this Crankshaft in Hyderabad. The Works Manger told me he would try the spare if available anywhere in South India.

    24th May: Now with no stock available anywhere in south, and my bike's engine completely dismantled for the past 3 days, I am a lot worried as to what is the next course. No specified time is available when the part will come. I have shot a mail to HMSI’s Customer Care asking speeding up the process and direct a senior engineer to supervise the process.

    25th May: Got quick reply from Sandeep Rai, Customer Care, who assured me they would look into the matter and get back to me very soon.

    28th May: Contacted JSP Honda’s Service Manager who told me that they put a flight order for the spare on the same day (28th May). Now, there has been an full week delay in ordering the spare, and this happened even after I complained to Honda. The works manger and service manger of JSP Honda are not happy with me contacting the Customer Care.

    28th May: Called multiple times to the numbers I got form the Signature of Mr. Sandeep Rai, Customer Care of HMSI. Nobody answered the calls. I wrote a mail again asking about the update as to what action has been taken by Honda. No reply till 31st May.

    31st May: Called HMSI’s Factory number and spoke to a lady in Customer Care, and I explained the entire ordeal and said I was not happy with the Customer Care and want to escalate the issue. She said she would call back with a superior that I can complain.

    My bikes engine has been completely dismantled for the past 15 days, and still no sign when I would get my bike back. The HMSI’s Customer Care, who are supposed to help, were casual and nonchalant even after my complaint. Now, I suspect HMSI does not have any control over their dealerships. JSP Honda seems purposefully delayed ordering the spare even after I complained to the Customer Care. There has been a communication to JSP Honda from Customer Care after my complaint. JSP Honda who are supposed to speed up the process, delayed it more and put order for the spare only after a week.

    Now, I would like to escalate this matter to MD or CEO of HMSI, or if possible Honda Japan. Anybody’s help in regards to this matter would be highly appreciated.
    Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 06-01-2010, 04:53 PM.
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    General Biking Discussion Approved.
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    • #3
      Try to get in touch with autocar/bike magazine. If that also fails try writing a mail to the general manager HMSI or some other official, their email ids are usually up on the website or are sometime as simpel as [email protected]. Maybe they will be of help if you can get them involved.

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      • #4
        I believe xbhp enjoys a good rapport with HMSI(evident in Manish's thread),

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        • #5
          @Ravi: I see a radical change in your signature!?! What happened to hailing Bajaj and its legendary quality and recommendations about buying their products? How does it feel to be on the other side of the table now...

          Anyways, getting in touch with HMSI over the website has always got me speedy responses for all my issue with my Dio. The only option you have is to followup patiently.
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          • #6
            Honda and STunner have Stunned you in all possible ways .

            My two cents , no point cracking ur head over it , Just wait for it :-)

            Mails are not going to help.

            Request a spare bike from the Showroom for ur usage till ur crank arrives.

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            • #7
              Wow that sucks ass. LOL. forget getting a new crank, fight with Honda and tell them that you dont want the defective bike and want a new one etc. The crank went out now, what if something else goes out later? say you wont have time with office etc. To keep the bike at the showroom for half of the year for repairs... But my 2 cents

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              • #8
                Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post
                @Ravi: I see a radical change in your signature!?! What happened to hailing Bajaj and its legendary quality and recommendations about buying their products? How does it feel to be on the other side of the table now...
                Ouch! It Hurts

                Anyways, getting in touch with HMSI over the website has always got me speedy responses for all my issue with my Dio. The only option you have is to followup patiently.
                Mails and having a word with them shall help as well being patient and with the issue being out in the open in a platform as this shall help

                Originally posted by santoosh View Post

                My two cents , no point cracking ur head over it , Just wait for it :-)

                Mails are not going to help.

                Request a spare bike from the Showroom for ur usage till ur crank arrives.

                Santa

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                • #9
                  Thanks to all for the inputs.

                  As the order for the spare has been put, most probably I would get the bike in this week. I am mentally prepared for that.

                  But, why customer care of Honda has not responded to my mails? When my complaint itself is to speed up the process, no response for more than a week is not acceptable and totally absurd. Isn't it? No updates regarding whether they acknowledged my complaints. No response to calls. I was promised that they would call me back, but promises were not kept.

                  I clearly indicated to them about my worries that, my bike's engine is completely dismantled for weeks, hence to speed up to send the spare, and to appoint a senior Honda engineer to supervise the process so that my bike will not get problems in the future. My worries are genuine and they should have taken steps in that direction. I have not asked them which is not in their hands. I do not think anybody can imagine themselves where the new bike is completely dismantled and kept in a Service Station for weeks.

                  Now, instead of them following about the complaints, I have been following up with them. This puts forth a big question, whether the Customer Care of Honda exists? Once I complained to Kinetic about my Blaze, and I was called up by the senior engineer the next day and he personally visited the workshop and supervised the service process till my satisfaction. HOnda is the second largest motorcycle company in India and their attitude is completely unacceptable.

                  I know I eventually get my bike back soon, but everything is going to leave a bad scar in my mind about Honda.

                  I am determined to take up this issue with top officials of HMSI, or if possible Japan Honda. This is not about the work being done, but how the work is being done.

                  God knows, with how many scratches my bike would be delivered.

                  NOTE: My bike was running very much fine when I gave for second service. I do not know how the technician identified a defective CrankShaft. When asked he told me the surface variance of the crankshaft is above the acceptable limits. I do not understand how a defective crankshaft was assembled with my bike, crankshaft being one of the major and vital part of the engine where errors for a defective parts should have been zero. Who would answer if not Honda. They are shying away from even speaking to me.
                  Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 06-01-2010, 07:02 PM.
                  HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                  Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                  Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                  • #10
                    Just now, shot my third mail to Customer Care of HMSI and this would be my last mail to Customer Care. If I do not get any call from Customer Care tomorrow, I am seriously contemplating escalating this matter to CEO of HMSI. I would highly appreciate if anybody provides any contact information.

                    I just do not want to take delivery of my bike, even if it is ready, unless a senior Honda engineer certifies that everything is fine with my bike. I have clearly communicated this to Customer Care and waiting for their reply.
                    HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                    Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                    Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                      NOTE: My bike was running very much fine when I gave for second service. I do not know how the technician identified a defective CrankShaft. When asked he told me the surface variance of the crankshaft is above the acceptable limits. I do not understand how a defective crankshaft was assembled with my bike, crankshaft being one of the major and vital part of the engine where errors for a defective parts should have been zero. Who would answer if not Honda. They are shying away from even speaking to me.
                      I am pretty much interested in this bit,

                      though recalls happen all over the world, but being made to wait...not professional for sure,

                      ^^Is it the first CBF fi with this problem? one of my vendor rides one without any problems

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                      • #12
                        Making the owner wait for such a long time is not at all acceptable. You are right in escalating the matter. Professionalism is at least expected from Honda !
                        From variable Bhps to a constant 17.6 Bhp.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post
                          I am pretty much interested in this bit,

                          though recalls happen all over the world, but being made to wait...not professional for sure,

                          ^^Is it the first CBF fi with this problem? one of my vendor rides one without any problems
                          Often I thought the same too and felt funny. I gave my bike in very good condition without any issues in my mind. Now, you know what happened later.

                          Actually, the technician showed me when he is checking the surface variance of crankshaft supposed to be fitted on my bike. He did check with some instrument (do not know the name).

                          I heard, they opened the FI engine for the first time. So, I do not think any issues with other Stunner FI's.

                          I got the contact information of TOP BRASS at HMSI (thanks to a member on team-bhp), and shot a mail to Customer Care again with CC to the above. Hopefully, my issues will be resolved soon to my satisfaction.
                          Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 06-02-2010, 01:04 AM.
                          HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                          Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                          Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                          • #14
                            This is totally un-acceptable. Waiting and getting back the bike is all fine, But leaving our bike somewhere else for such long time and not getting proper response is ridiculous.

                            Is there any legal thing that can be done for such cases where the companies do not respond properly to the consumer? I know it might be a bit expensive affair, but still is it possible?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by men_in_jean View Post
                              This is totally un-acceptable. Waiting and getting back the bike is all fine, But leaving our bike somewhere else for such long time and not getting proper response is ridiculous.

                              Is there any legal thing that can be done for such cases where the companies do not respond properly to the consumer? I know it might be a bit expensive affair, but still is it possible?
                              It is not expensive. All you need to do is create a case for deficiency in service, which is quite apparent in this case... make a synopsis of all the events with time, date and person with whom you interacted.... add all the supporting documents to backup your claims and file a case in the District Consumer Forum. While it is good to have a lawyer to argue your case, it is not necessary... you can argue you own case without a lawyer...
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