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  • [Hard Torque]: What choices for disappointment?

    Everytime I hear someone wants to buy a motorcycle (or anything for that matter), I recall a conversation that happened several years ago while I was at shopping. The crux of the conversation was held on Thamizh & goes like this.

    Person 1 : I've an idea to buy a two-wheeler
    Person 2 : Buy Splendor
    Person 1 : What is the mileage?
    Person 2 : Gives 60-65
    Person 1 : What price?
    ...

    I supposed the person 2 is someone regarded to be some sort of expert in motorcycles. While we all agree that most Indian's are concious about FE & the price of a vehicle, most enthusiasts might go one step beyond & talk about maintenance cost & ASC; a few might have a fair understanding on what leads the market. Be it a fully restored 20 years old motorcycle or a latest product launched, all people want to know is - WHAT'S THE PRICE, followed by MILEAGE. They're average commuters & with their hard earned money, they only want to get from point A to B without much fuss & the ride shouldn't burn hole in the pocket. Quite normal.

    But what most of us fail to understand is the choices we have today compared to 15-20 years ago where there were only limited choices with respect to FE, power & a balance on both.

    So how does one make a choice? Choices are the same when you go to hotel & order for a la carte. Everytime some one asks, what's the bike I should buy, I've 75K in hand I'd always be tempted to say, try going to a hotel & ask, what's the dish I should eat, I've Rs 100 in hand!!! Does that mean one should buy a ride without bringing in the price or stating their budget? Well, no, that's not the point, the point is, bring the price at appopriate step. So how to go about making the choices?

    First step on buying any vehicle (be it two, four or multi wheeler) is about stating the requirement; this is the one that draws the boundaries clearly as what to expect & what not to expect. This avoids the disappointment of expecting curd vadai in Velu Military hotel!!!

    There's a thin line of difference between requirements, expectation & needs.

    Needs is something that cannot be lived without. For some, it could be a great FE as they don't want wallet burns; for some it could be low on maintenance. Now, when talking about low, medium high (like fan buttons!!!), they're ambiguous terms. Many say, low on maintenance, so what's the low? Rs 1? Rs 100? While defining the requirements, it is also equally important to define it quantitatively. Never say good mileage, attach a unit saying 65 Kmpl or 40 Kmpl. Remember that, such ambiguous requirements also leads to disappointment.

    Requirements are a little less to needs; they need to be formed more than needs when buying a vehicle. One example of requirement is FI, alloy wheels, comfortable seats. Like I said before, needs & requirements share a thin border line. Even FI & alloy wheels can get into needs or a FE of 65 Kmpl can get into requirements, nothing wrong; but, remember, more the needs, less the choice. So its important to classify few things that cannot be lived without under needs.

    Expectation are more of feel good factors & less to requirements; stating that easy availability of spares (not consumables) falls under expectation. Reason being that these are the factors that can be lived upon & play a major role only during long run.

    Once the requirements are defined right, then, list out all the vehicles matching that requirements, irrespective of the price (we'll be there, wait for now). List down each & every vehicle matching that requirement from every manufacturer. Some might ask, what if there's no vehicle matching my requirement? Then there's only one reason - the requirement is over ambitious or impractical for the moment. Try changing the requirement.

    Once the above two steps are done, then, the choices are narrowed down to a great extent. It is at this stage, where one can choose the vehicle based on price or apply more filters in form of requirements. This will help to fine tune & narrow down the choices available.

    Next time someone asks what bike, ask them back, what's the requirement? Unless requirements are defined, choices are made, disappointment is the only factor to expect!!!
    Last edited by aargee; 08-28-2011, 03:20 PM.
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    • #3
      ^^ Nice One..

      Whenever someone asks me 'What Bike?', I give a return post reply - "What Biker?". Before you go looking at the bikes in the market, some introspection is required to be done. Knowing yourself and what kind of biker you are is halfway to having found the perfect bike. No bike is perfect, its the biker who complements the bike and together they are in perfect harmony with one another!
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      • #4
        Well said aargee, though unfortunately most of the times our decisions are driven more by budget (FE is actually a good proxy for budget I believe) than anything else. Hopefully with the Indian biking scene growing over the last few years people's buying criteria will also evolve!

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        • #5
          +1 aargee!!!


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          - KTM Duke 200
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          • #6
            I think people can state what they intend to use their motorcycle for as requirements. But i don't think they can put a finger on how much they are willing to spend on maintenance or fuel. Since these are on-going costs and no-one knows the future, the lesser the better.

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            • #7
              Interesting topic !!!

              Well now a days people buy things just because they can afford it.I have seen people on expensive sports bike who can't even take a simple u-turn.First we should decide which type of bike we want then we have to look at the options to decide which bike suits our budget and our requirements the most.
              My dad told me that he will get me a bike for commuting to college and budget was around 85k.I could have went ahead and booked any of the big bikes,but I did lot of research and decided to go for the Hunk from Hero Honda It has been 3years since I bought it and I am very happy about my decision.
              Biker @ heart

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              • #8
                Originally posted by giridhar View Post
                Well now a days people buy things just because they can afford it.I have seen people on expensive sports bike who can't even take a simple u-turn.
                your above post explains why i see so many r15 in non-enthusiasts hands.
                and the question remains why do i race?
                every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                #overkill is underrated.
                #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by giridhar View Post
                  It has been 3years since I bought it and I am very happy about my decision
                  3 years with Hunk & happy about it!!! Now, that's what I call a well done research. You probably might've understood the pros & cons of your needs & set your expectations right & balance on what you need vs what's available in the market. And trust me such decisions...NEVER GO WRONG.

                  Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
                  your above post explains why i see so many r15 in non-enthusiasts hands.
                  +1; not only R15, but so many CBR, Ninja; few buy Ninja 250R expecting it would perform close to SBK's; few buy CBR thinking it can match Ninja 250R; most buy R15 to perform like SBK. Not to mention, the rear of R15 is the one most people get disappointed; hardly few know how good is the rear tire of R15.
                  Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                  Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                  ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    +1; not only R15, but so many CBR, Ninja; few buy Ninja 250R expecting it would perform close to SBK's; few buy CBR thinking it can match Ninja 250R; most buy R15 to perform like SBK. Not to mention, the rear of R15 is the one most people get disappointed; hardly few know how good is the rear tire of R15.
                    some of my random observations=
                    1.in my locality the guys riding ninja,cbr,r15 tend to have no helmets on their head.
                    that probably explains they are posers and non-enthusiasts.
                    2.a xbhpian lives very close to my house.he rides a cbr.he comes to the opposite pan-store everyday.he always wears a helmet although the guy accompanying him on 220,who is a non-xbhpian don't need helmet.
                    3.i heard a guy complaining about skinny rear tyres of r15,he wants them to be like fz.he hardly understands the handling of the bike is in well sync with that so called skinny tyres.
                    and the question remains why do i race?
                    every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                    #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                    #overkill is underrated.
                    #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                    #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                    (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by giridhar View Post
                      .I have seen people on expensive sports bike who can't even take a simple u-turn.

                      I agree with all what you wrote but this is actually tougher(by a slight margin) on SBKs comapred to sit upright bikes. Some more practice is needed with vision and counter leaning it .... SBKs are designed for track, how many times someone takes a U turn on track...
                      A nice post none the less
                      **My comments are solely mine and not necessarily useful in all situations and places. They may or may not work for you but they might work for me. Use your diligence at all times**

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by WarpSpeed View Post

                        I agree with all what you wrote but this is actually tougher(by a slight margin) on SBKs comapred to sit upright bikes. Some more practice is needed with vision and counter leaning it .... SBKs are designed for track, how many times someone takes a U turn on track...
                        A nice post none the less
                        I beg to differ buddy! This is not tough on SBK, neither is this post easy about sit upright bikes. You have mentioned about how SBKs are designed solely for track usage. Please bring the biker also into your perspective. Will you buy an SBK even when you knew it's limitations? Maybe you would, because you expect it to behave in a certain manner and that is what is the actual beauty of these bikes.
                        If you buy sbk just to woo girls, you will probably end up in the morgue. These bikes are really too powerful to be in the hands of inexperienced posers. I really think the govt. should have stricter tests when granting licence and there should be separate licence for any bike above 500cc.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ankitshringi View Post
                          I beg to differ buddy! This is not tough on SBK, neither is this post easy about sit upright bikes. You have mentioned about how SBKs are designed solely for track usage. Please bring the biker also into your perspective. Will you buy an SBK even when you knew it's limitations? Maybe you would, because you expect it to behave in a certain manner and that is what is the actual beauty of these bikes.
                          If you buy sbk just to woo girls, you will probably end up in the morgue. These bikes are really too powerful to be in the hands of inexperienced posers. I really think the govt. should have stricter tests when granting licence and there should be separate licence for any bike above 500cc.
                          Hey Ankit,
                          you can be different and thats where sharing your thought helps on forums like this. Anyways...I will try to put my perspective on what you mentioned.

                          This is not tough on SBK, neither is this post easy about sit upright bikes.
                          Never said its tough, its little bit tougher than sit upright bikes with regular handlebars. You will need more practice to master it on SBKs if you have never been on one...
                          Regarding what this is about, my response was to the person who posted just above me... I did post "A nice post none the less" for what I thought about the post
                          Have a look here. This is from XBHP itself
                          Superbiking in India : The Art of Safe Riding

                          Handling is one more aspect that needs getting used to. Usually, superbikes have a large turning radius, especially the super-sports bikes. The handlebars turn through a relatively small angle lock-to-lock compared to our usual bikes and this translates to drastically reduced maneuverability at low speeds. You cannot weave through traffic at low speeds all that easily on a superbike. And U-turns need special care as they are way wider than smaller bikes and braking or stalling the engine while the handle is in a full lock turn will almost surely result in the bike falling.
                          Will you buy an SBK even when you knew it's limitations? Maybe you would, because you expect it to behave in a certain manner and that is what is the actual beauty of these bikes.
                          Of course. I agree totally ...1000CC and even 600CC sports are waste and impractical for anyone willing to do legal limits on the public roads but then they will bring the smile to your face once you hit the track or feel the power *illegally* on the road somewhere country side or cornering at hills ( Pray for your license)
                          I ride one as I like how it handles....U turns and tight maneuvering isnt what I do often... so it suits me and fits like glove for my intended purpose...

                          If you buy sbk just to woo girls, you will probably end up in the morgue. These bikes are really too powerful to be in the hands of inexperienced posers.
                          Know that very well and cant explain importance of respecting the bike enough... I am here writing being still alive about them means I might know a thing or 2 about them. Not saying I am good but not a poser either...lol

                          I really think the govt. should have stricter tests when granting licence and there should be separate licence for any bike above 500cc.
                          Thats how it should be. Its a 3 step process here to be on fully powered bikes. Still accidents are common but thats what at least government can do.

                          Hope that made sense without offending anyone.
                          Last edited by WarpSpeed; 03-22-2012, 01:08 PM.
                          **My comments are solely mine and not necessarily useful in all situations and places. They may or may not work for you but they might work for me. Use your diligence at all times**

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                          • #14
                            @ Ganesh - well said & am sure only you can write like this.

                            Originally posted by WarpSpeed View Post
                            SBKs are designed for track, how many times someone takes a U turn on track...
                            A nice post none the less
                            SBK's are not designed for track only, its designed for good roads too
                            Never Give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rameshmadhavan View Post
                              @ Ganesh - well said & am sure only you can write like this.



                              SBK's are not designed for track only, its designed for good roads too

                              Never said only.
                              **My comments are solely mine and not necessarily useful in all situations and places. They may or may not work for you but they might work for me. Use your diligence at all times**

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