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    You know. I see bikers on the road every day. Some very careful, almost to the point that they block traffic and cause problems for others. Others totally careless and foolhardy with no regard for their lives or those of others.
    Everyday I see this and think there is a real need for mandatory professional riding courses that teach us the intricacies of daily commute and touring. Stuff that can help us all be better riders. You know like the mandatory pro tiding classes in other countries for handling superbikes.
    Am I right? What do you guys think?
    Btw great post. It was a bloody good, educational read.

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      There are few things which can be taught.. but the fact is, nothing stays in our heads and there are few things that come from experience.. we learn from our mistakes and I am one of that person who learnt things from experience and mistakes. I used to be a rash rider. I have endangered the lives of many because of rash riding back in college.. i realised my mistakes when the same kind of riding by some other guy put my life in danger. Only then i valued the road users thinking I have done the same to many in the past and that is when I decided to control my right wrist. After becoming an active member of xBhp, i am even more patient now than ever before. Be it in biking life or personal life.

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by Balgi View Post
        You know. I see bikers on the road every day. Some very careful, almost to the point that they block traffic and cause problems for others. Others totally careless and foolhardy with no regard for their lives or those of others.
        Everyday I see this and think there is a real need for mandatory professional riding courses that teach us the intricacies of daily commute and touring. Stuff that can help us all be better riders. You know like the mandatory pro tiding classes in other countries for handling superbikes.
        Am I right? What do you guys think?
        Btw great post. It was a bloody good, educational read.
        Thanks for the appreciation. Some sort of formal riding training is more than necessary now, especially going by the kind of performance even commuter motorcycles are capable of. We have been prodding both, the industry and the administration, towards making a move like this for motorcycles too, somewhat along the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) pattern prevalent in the US of A. A formal course is probably the best way to bring about an improvement both in usable skills and rider attitude towards his/her own and others' safety. I agree that we need something as effective and prevalent off-line for hands-on motorcycling as we have things on-line here in the forum.

        Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
        There are few things which can be taught.. but the fact is, nothing stays in our heads and there are few things that come from experience.. we learn from our mistakes and I am one of that person who learnt things from experience and mistakes. I used to be a rash rider. I have endangered the lives of many because of rash riding back in college.. i realised my mistakes when the same kind of riding by some other guy put my life in danger. Only then i valued the road users thinking I have done the same to many in the past and that is when I decided to control my right wrist. After becoming an active member of xBhp, i am even more patient now than ever before. Be it in biking life or personal life.

        Long Live Riding and Long Live xBhp

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        Thanks [MENTION=27501]rreneav1987[/MENTION]. As you've said, that attitudinal change has to come from within. Unless bad riding habits are recognized, their potential dangers realized and the need to improve is felt from within the rider, no amount of teaching good riding is going to make a difference. No, it is not a hopeless situation - just an unusually difficult one. Discussions here do make a difference as do awareness activities. But as I have stated above, we desperately need structured riding training to make a big difference on ground.
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        • #5
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          Sir Old Fox ..... Helmets Off to you for writing such an awesome article and putting it so beautifull in words which I think almost every 2- wheeled rider would have faced.

          I have been riding 2 states every working day since past 3yrs and doing a run of almost 100+ km. Many times due to other riders/drivers or situation you ahve to filter your skil level along with the common sense and analyse what can be done best,a nd the time limit is only few seconds. And in these seconds you have to THINK, ANALYSE and IMPLEMENT, and all these has to be done along with continous riding and going through that situation. It teaches alot when you are on road.... its very much like what you read in college is not what you do in job, its different and its Educating. I enjoy riding and I have experienced thrill as well as goose pumps from a nearby miss, but I have learnt a lot and I am still learning and would love to continue this way.

          But yes what Sir Old Fox writes is something which is very easy to link up with your everyday ordeal on road. Thank you so much Once Again Sir for being here and sharing all this with us. I love these para written by you........

          Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
          The wise one said that the art of going fast is to know when to go slow. Wisdom in contradiction. What it implies is that the ultimate safety is neither in the quality of the machine nor in the skills alone but resides first in the attitude. For your daily commute, ride with self-imposed conditions that every need for braking or tooting that horn is a near miss. Every hard braking is a crash. And of course every crash is dying. The margins of safety are like the 10,000 ft ‘hard-deck’ in Top Gun. 10,000ft above the ground is considered the ‘ground’ and anyone flying below that altitude is considered having crashed. Such absurd margins become a nuisance till the situational awareness radar cranks up its act and you begin to see levels ahead. The self-imposed unrealistically high standards of safety demand an ever deeper look into the future of the ride happening in the here and now.

          Clairvoyance. Sooth-saying. Crystal-ball gazing. The ride changes from being a mere inventory of available skills to one that reveals the need of what skill, when and in what measure. And best of all, it keeps you engaged in the ride, the mind too busy evaluating the manner of the future affecting the present. Riding is not about the mere fact of possessing a huge range of riding skills but it is about knowing first when which of those are needed. Smoothness just flows out by itself as you realize you already know what needs to be done before you actually need to do it. A perpetual reconnaissance leading you.

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            Nice article.

            only if every biker reads it and understands it.
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            • #7
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              Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
              Nice article.

              only if every biker reads it and understands it.

              Honestly if even a few read and understand it its enough. But in this country the people tend to willingly and knowingly make mistakes and call it smartness and/or technique.
              I remember back when I went for my license, a classmate of mine failed her riding test coz she opted to go around all the speed breakers on the course instead of over them. When asked she said she didn't know that was wrong and then she actually proceeded to defend her move against the rto inspector taking the test until he shut her up by showing her the actual rule printed in the handbook given to her with her learners permit. And even after that she was like this is made up rule, policewala just wants money.
              Point is that she was given a handbook detailing the rules and do's and don'ts but she chose to ignore it and came to the riding test armed with her stupidity AND SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!
              Yeah, let that sink in and let the nightmares begin.

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              • #8
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                Kudos for the wonderful write-up [MENTION=10597]Old Fox[/MENTION]. Hope the article finds more responsible riders among us. (Y)
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                • #9
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                  Nicely written article. Hope this invokes a sense of responsibilities among speed demons!
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                  • #10
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                    Great write up boss.. The entire generation needs to be educated on biking, its values and obeying traffic rules. That's from youngsters to old grandparents out there on rides. People these days dont even have the courtesy to put indicators nor a hand signal before making a turn, end result we need to do panic braking or downshifts to save ourself from eating dust....

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