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    Engine Oil leakage - This morning.

    RX135 - 4 speed
    Model - 1998, Black
    Condition - Stock
    Service History - Cosmetic restoration in July 2010
    Behavior - She's friendly and understanding and always responded !

    I had this problem sometime back then, it was determined that drain bolt would be the culprit. So changed the bolt and replaced the washer to address the issue. The bike then leaked few drops and over few days, it stopped completely. I sighed a relief.

    Months passed by, again it showed some symptom of a known issue. I blindly changed the washers alone after inspecting the bolt which looked alright. Apart from washer tied few rounds of thread on the bolt to give some extra protection even if washer gives up.

    Also noticed that the case was welded (don't ask me why, how and when - simple answer, I do not know) during my absence for my city for 3 odd years (2001-2004) I believe.

    Again some months passed off peacefully. Over a period of running just like it is expected the dust/dirt masked the bolt also provided some good coating to drain bolt area.

    Worst nightmare has started to haunt me from last night. Saw a small pool of oil leaked on the floor this morning when I took my bike.

    When I did some cosmetic restoration of my bike in the month of July this year, had not touched the engine. Reason? That point of time there was no oil leakage and that's another reason why I did not think of addressing it. Moreover, I did not find anything weird on the performance and my theory is that when something is not bothering you, it is better to keep off than fiddle with it.

    Status of my bike: Most of the time it is cleaned of any dirt and continuously inspected and addressed maintenance if required. Never gave a chance for any mechanic till date to touch the engine after joining this forum. Only time the engine was touched when I had replaced the engine outer case covers.

    Two things to address this issue that comes to my mind:

    1. Change the engine cases (both L and R) -

    Pros:

    a. Costly approach, difficult to find and even if it is available- I had to give it some good renowned doctor for case transplant surgery.
    b. Solves the issue for once for all and new lease of life.
    c. Also gives a chance to clean, address bearing issues during the process if any.

    Question: Can we just change the damaged part of the case alone (at least it would save some buck, however, understand that still would need to open the engine)?

    Cons:

    a. Finding qualified doctor with some amount of experience to put back all the parts intact thus I do not find any issues. Cause, Always it is easy to open
    b. There is a room for error.
    c. Additional cost if there are any parts to be replaced (bearing etc).

    2. Welding the engine case bottom :

    I'm thinking of just taking the whole engine without opening it up to the workshop to get bottom welded. If this could be done, then it would solve the issue without thinking too much into finding mechanics and other related as stated in the first option. Is this advisable?


    If you find there is another way to treat this issue, I would be happy to know.

    Sorry for the lengthy write up. Help my RX.
    Last edited by SriramEfunds; 12-18-2010, 01:03 AM.
    RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

    2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

  • #2
    Query approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      @Sunil - Thanks for the approval.
      RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

      2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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      • #4
        Get the bottom welded, and that too with aluminium filler and a good reputed gas welder.

        But the permanent solution would be to change the crankcase which is cracked/leaking.


        My offerings to the gods of speed -

        - KTM Duke 200
        - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


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        • #5
          @JD: Thanks for the tips. I had this problem earlier, however, all the previous incidents, it was always like 5 drops of oil on the floor, unlike this time where there was a pool of oil. Somehow, I'm not going to sleep today. Though I'm not that good with spanners, nevertheless, definitely going to give a try to change the washer and observe before giving up.
          RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

          2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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          • #6
            Sri, since I know a little on your Rx & the problem...
            Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
            1. Change the engine cases (both L and R) -
            This is the best option, but IMO, DO NOT change the left side, as this is not the affected area. Change only the right side where the drain is located.

            Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
            2. Welding the engine case bottom :
            Hmm...ok, but, would that be fine with you? This is a patch work!!! Nothing gives a peace of mind with genuine replacements.

            Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
            I'm thinking of just taking the whole engine without opening it up to the workshop to get bottom welded.
            C'mon how will you do this? More over those guys WILL ask you to strip down.

            Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
            If you find there is another way to treat this issue, I would be happy to know.
            There's a 3rd option ; Take my right side crankcase, its been lying idle here & it also has engine bearings in good conditions.
            Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
            Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
            ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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            • #7
              I like aargee's option no.3 Sri!
              1985 Yamaha RD350 HT
              1989 Ki-Honda 110
              1994 Suzuki Shogun
              1997 Yamaha RX135
              2008 Yamaha FZ
              Suzuki Supra Powerup
              IND-SUZUKI AX100
              Hero IMPULSE
              TVS NTORQ


              No Cams, No Valves, No Headaches.

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              • #8
                Update:

                What a day! I came home around 5:30 AM from office and just could not sleep. Was waiting for some daylight before taking another look at my bike.
                I thought it is better to waterwash first and start off my investigation.
                Waited till it was 9:00 AM did a quick check to the service guy back of my residence. Finally, after couple of checks around 9:30 AM the water wash shop was open. Good 20mins waterwash and while it was almost getting dry, took my bike home.

                Parked elevated with help of few slabs lying in my apt area. Guess what? It was not the drain bolt, it was not the welded part of the crankcase. Holly cow! the leakage was from the oil pump compartment. More than happy I was shocked looking at the crankcase outer cover leaking oil. Never thought that it would be from the oil pump compartment. My curiosity simply killed and did not wait another moment.

                Opened the oil pump compartment and saw there was leakage from the pump assembly i.e the drain bolt. Well, I remembered that few days back, had filled side tank 2T oil which was empty. Offcourse was pre-mixing till I got the 2T. I pulled the 2T inlet tube to check then if there is a oil being pumped. That point of time, it did not. Thought it was air block since it was like a week running pre-mix while the tank was empty.

                I wantedt to release any air block. While unscrewing, had a difficult time to get the star screw off since the bolt had some grove was chipped off. So gave some brutal force and got off the screw and oil flowed from the tank via tube.

                Guess, this had some ill effect on pump. All the while after doing something like that, had been leaking which I thought it was from the gearbox.

                Took a short nap and headed towards Y.A.S.S to find out if there is anything else that could cause the issue. Since I know the Manager there, was kind enough to ask someone to take a look. While service guy pulled out the oil pump, he observed that screw got jammed. He checked if this could be because of oil seal issue. He dismantled the entire pump and looked at the shaft inner where there is another oil seal sits. Oh man, that's the culprit. Though he was not able to conclude that due to my previous adventure might have led to the shaft to give away the small oil seal position.

                I checked with the spares with regards to the shaft, which he said that i have been hearing for a long time 'WE DO NOT HAVE'. So packed the dismantled pump and safely took back home. I'm better off that it is not the crankcase issue which I feared the most this time.

                Well, it was not the drain bolt or welded part. It is the damn oil pump created ruckus in the last 24 hours.

                I know most of the RX owners would prefer going for pre-mix however, I'm from the old school, still wanted to have the oil pump in my bike.

                This is not going to stop, now next step is looking for oil pump repair and the pains.
                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                • #9
                  Oh!!! If its oil pump side leak, then it can be stopped easily. Its usually a broken oil seal that looks like...wait...I've one; I'll bring it tomorrow.
                  Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                  Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                  ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    Oh!!! If its oil pump side leak, then it can be stopped easily. Its usually a broken oil seal that looks like...wait...I've one; I'll bring it tomorrow.
                    Guess it would be like bag full of parts . Will need some manual to re-assemble back for form.
                    RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                    2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                    • #11
                      No no, there's no bag full of parts Sri; open up side cover & inspect where the leaks are from. We can't take out the oil pump as it has oil seals to engine casing. As I told you, first thing to confirm is, if its 2T oil or engine oil that is leaking. Once that is found out, the solution will be easy.
                      Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                      Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                      ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                      • #12
                        mate. go get a new oil pump. even if you replace the seals etc, its a 12 yr pump ( i dont know the history ) and the aluminium parts inside do get worn out. Dont let this be the Achilles heel of the whole story. Plonk in a new pump and be good to go as new.


                        My offerings to the gods of speed -

                        - KTM Duke 200
                        - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


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                        • #13
                          ^^ @JD - Checked a little today, but couldn't really find out where it is coming from; we couldn't really spend time as there was something else that took priority. We're planning to work on this sometimes during one of the weekends this month or next. So when we work, pls expect a call from us (includes Bigbore & psycho)
                          Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                          Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                          ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                          • #14
                            ^^ sure.. but do keep this in mind that lets not leave anything that could create issue later on.


                            My offerings to the gods of speed -

                            - KTM Duke 200
                            - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jd666 View Post
                              ^^ sure.. but do keep this in mind that lets not leave anything that could create issue later on.
                              +1 - that's the reason, I asked him to...throw away the oil pump lol & use premix.
                              Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                              Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                              ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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