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  • My Pulsar 220 is killing me !!!

    Dear All,

    1st of all hello to everyone, i have recently joined Xbhp and this is my first query. i have recently bought a new Pulsar 220 (Nov 2010) till date it has done 7030 kms and the list of problems is as follows;--

    1. Rear disc brake is worst then a bicycle (Bajaj SVC in GZB is not even able to identify the problem !!!)

    2. Auto Choke has stopped working by itself (Bajaj SVC GZB Spent 4 hours to locate the problem, they changed all the sensors but problem still remains).

    3. RPM is not stable since 1st service, if i increase it then,when the machine gets hot after few KMS the RPM shoots 2000 plus in slow speed, if lowers it then it wont start in morning !!!!, need to give approx 7-8 starters.

    the chain makes a wierd noise, that SVC is not able to identify till date !!!.

    Now my query to all the members here is, whether i have made a mistake buy spending 85k on this bike or ihavent met the rite people in terms of servicing......guys please help me i love this bike a lot...after 14 yrs on a bullet i have switched over to bajaj and somewhere have started regretting it.....pls help..

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    • #3
      Pls go through this thread & see if solution for your issues are mentioned here - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/556379-post12065.html
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      • #4
        the problem is not with the bike, it is the service center you are going to, try changing your service center. talk to them in a strict and confident tone (not harsh) and tell them to correct things at the earliest. if it does not get sorted, go to bajaj wesite and write to them about your problems. the service manager of your area will put a hot rod up thier a** and then service center guys will be at your feet. this happened with me once. if it doesn't solve your problem. go to pulsar garage meet in delhi and get in touch with some bajaj official.
        believe me P220 is a very good bike and there are nice service centers too. its only that one bad fish spoils the whole pond

        Originally posted by Ajay78 View Post
        Dear All,

        1st of all hello to everyone, i have recently joined Xbhp and this is my first query. i have recently bought a new Pulsar 220 (Nov 2010) till date it has done 7030 kms and the list of problems is as follows;--

        1. Rear disc brake is worst then a bicycle (Bajaj SVC in GZB is not even able to identify the problem !!!)
        please explain your problem in detail, do you mean to say it doesn't have any braking power or you want to say it locks the wheel every now and then. brake issues are generally not very difficult ones.

        2. Auto Choke has stopped working by itself (Bajaj SVC GZB Spent 4 hours to locate the problem, they changed all the sensors but problem still remains).

        how do you know auto choke is not working. tell us in detail.

        3. RPM is not stable since 1st service, if i increase it then,when the machine gets hot after few KMS the RPM shoots 2000 plus in slow speed, if lowers it then it wont start in morning !!!!, need to give approx 7-8 starters.

        are you fiddling with the carb yourself ? your machine may be running too lean.

        the chain makes a wierd noise, that SVC is not able to identify till date !!!.

        what kiind of noise, tell us in detail, where is the noise coming from --near the front or the rear sprocket, is it hitting something, is it well lubricated. you bike is new so there should not be any bearing issues. i hope you have not done any modifications to your bike like fatter rear tyre or something else and you have not met with any accident, howsoever small.

        Now my query to all the members here is, whether i have made a mistake buy spending 85k on this bike or ihavent met the rite people in terms of servicing......guys please help me i love this bike a lot...after 14 yrs on a bullet i have switched over to bajaj and somewhere have started regretting it.....pls help..
        you have definitely not done any mistake, P220 is a good bike. you just need to give your service center guys a nice lesson.

        one more thing i want to tell you is that since you have moved from a bullet, P220 is a very different machine than a bullet, you have to ride it in a very different way than bullet, similarly, it is to be taken care of in a very different way than bullet.

        P220 is a much more technologically advanced and technically complex than a bullet, so in the initial years of riding, try not to fiddle with anythiong yourself, unless you have a very good understanding of it.

        go to different service centers in your area and try to find out who has the best mechanic, try to build a good rapport with that mechanic and then trust all your jobs to him. one bike one mechanic is a good philosophy, since he will then have a fairly good understanding of what you want from your bike and he will be totally aware of your bike's history.

        find other pulsar riders of your area on xbhp and ask them for best service centers in your area.

        next time when you go to service center, tell them to write your problems on the job card clearly and read them clearly and add anything you want, then only give your bike to servicing, when you take delivery of your bike, write your comments on the job card then sign, satisfied or unsatisfied , problem solved or not, then only sign. do this for the next two servicing and your problems should be sorted. remember you can go to service centers even in between serviciing if you have problems. if your problems are not solved in your next two visits to service centers, on you rthird visit, tell them to rectify teh problems and replace whatever faulty parts needs to be replaced otherwise you won't take delivery of bike and ask for there service manager of bajaj. i think your bike is in warranty. it is your right. besides these are not big problems.
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        • #5
          Pulsar 220 is a very good bike...
          But dont compare the 220 with a bullet.
          Bullet is a torque cum touring machine...whereas p220 is a touring cum performance one.... both belong to different class, you cannot expect the bullet to behave like a p220 and the p220 to behave like a bullet.
          You have made the right choice if you where looking for crispness, performance, tourer and a bike reliable on mileage and maintenance.

          itz the service centre you visit that has a problem, they sound like novices who just expect a bullock cart to come for service, where they would just need to oil the wheel bearing.

          Originally posted by Ajay78 View Post
          Dear All,


          1. Rear disc brake is worst then a bicycle (Bajaj SVC in GZB is not even able to identify the problem !!!)

          As Prince said there is nothing complicated to work on disc brakes..

          2. Auto Choke has stopped working by itself (Bajaj SVC GZB Spent 4 hours to locate the problem, they changed all the sensors but problem still remains).

          Itz most probably the temperature sensor that lets off autochoke...
          if those guys have really changed it, then it can be an electrical issue which would be causing the sensor to go kaput.


          3. RPM is not stable since 1st service, if i increase it then,when the machine gets hot after few KMS the RPM shoots 2000 plus in slow speed, if lowers it then it wont start in morning !!!!, need to give approx 7-8 starters.

          Itz because of improper tuning, ask them to tune it to optimal range

          the chain makes a wierd noise, that SVC is not able to identify till date !!!.

          check whether chain is loose, a rubber element would be present inorder to avoid the chain getting contact withe metal part, and check whether either of the sprockets are properly in place (sprockets are gear type round rings with teeths to hold the chain, there are two, the smaller one near the gear shifter and the bigger one attached to the rear tyre... )

          Now my query to all the members here is, whether i have made a mistake buy spending 85k on this bike (Definitely not) or ihavent met the rite people in terms of servicing (YES)......
          Hope you are taking it to the Bajaj authorise Pro-Biking Service centre, now before your next visit, Call 1800 233 2453 toll free customer care number of bajaj...
          Tell them about the issues you faced, the job you had done with service centre and what you had experienced, and lodge it as a complaint. And tell them that you want to be informed about the problem and how the service centre has rectified it...
          This will ensure best and fast service, in future too...

          And share with us here, about the issues and solutions done by them
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          • #6
            You need to escalate the matter. Call up the customer care, lodge the complaint. Get hold of any and every bajaj ID you can get and let them know about the service center.
            Which one are you going to. Hope not Suman Noida ? They are the worst among the three SVCs i have used. Absolute illiterate mechanics moonlighting as service engineers.

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            • #7
              no i am not visiting Suman Noida (though was seriously thinking !!!! but not any more ) its SHIVA scooter agency in ghaziabad, the third service is due in couple of days so i am thinking about the PROBIKING one in CP delhi .....wats ur suggestion ??

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ARNandal View Post
                Pulsar 220 is a very good bike...
                But dont compare the 220 with a bullet.
                Bullet is a torque cum touring machine...whereas p220 is a touring cum performance one.... both belong to different class, you cannot expect the bullet to behave like a p220 and the p220 to behave like a bullet.
                You have made the right choice if you where looking for crispness, performance, tourer and a bike reliable on mileage and maintenance.

                itz the service centre you visit that has a problem, they sound like novices who just expect a bullock cart to come for service, where they would just need to oil the wheel bearing.



                Hope you are taking it to the Bajaj authorise Pro-Biking Service centre, now before your next visit, Call 1800 233 2453 toll free customer care number of bajaj...
                Tell them about the issues you faced, the job you had done with service centre and what you had experienced, and lodge it as a complaint. And tell them that you want to be informed about the problem and how the service centre has rectified it...
                This will ensure best and fast service, in future too...

                And share with us here, about the issues and solutions done by them

                Havent taken it to any Pro-Biking but i think must visit them now.....the bike has done 7500 till today and the next service is due on 9500 ....wat do u suggest should i wait for serive period or should visit them now....moreover sent a VERY LOVELY mail to bajaj customer care ...just now only ...lets see .....and by the way thanks a ton for such rich and informative suggestions and guidence.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ajay78 View Post
                  no i am not visiting Suman Noida (though was seriously thinking !!!! but not any more ) its SHIVA scooter agency in ghaziabad, the third service is due in couple of days so i am thinking about the PROBIKING one in CP delhi .....wats ur suggestion ??
                  As has been suggested by everybody, lodge a complaint. A strong worded one at that. Explain what has happened. You will be getting a follow up pretty quickly.
                  If those morons are still not able to do anything, take it to Kirti Nagar SVC. They are slightly better. A mechanic in Gurgaon SVC is intelligent too. Rest are bogus.

                  Edit: Saw your post. If you are not using a probiking, you are taking pangas!! Only go to probikings. Also, i don't understand what you mean by "very Lovely" mail. If its courteous and matter of fact, expect a positive response.
                  Last edited by Mik; 03-26-2011, 11:21 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                    the problem is not with the bike, it is the service center you are going to, try changing your service center. talk to them in a strict and confident tone (not harsh) and tell them to correct things at the earliest. if it does not get sorted, go to bajaj wesite and write to them about your problems. the service manager of your area will put a hot rod up thier a** and then service center guys will be at your feet. this happened with me once. if it doesn't solve your problem. go to pulsar garage meet in delhi and get in touch with some bajaj official.
                    believe me P220 is a very good bike and there are nice service centers too. its only that one bad fish spoils the whole pond



                    you have definitely not done any mistake, P220 is a good bike. you just need to give your service center guys a nice lesson.

                    one more thing i want to tell you is that since you have moved from a bullet, P220 is a very different machine than a bullet, you have to ride it in a very different way than bullet, similarly, it is to be taken care of in a very different way than bullet.

                    P220 is a much more technologically advanced and technically complex than a bullet, so in the initial years of riding, try not to fiddle with anythiong yourself, unless you have a very good understanding of it.

                    go to different service centers in your area and try to find out who has the best mechanic, try to build a good rapport with that mechanic and then trust all your jobs to him. one bike one mechanic is a good philosophy, since he will then have a fairly good understanding of what you want from your bike and he will be totally aware of your bike's history.

                    find other pulsar riders of your area on xbhp and ask them for best service centers in your area.

                    next time when you go to service center, tell them to write your problems on the job card clearly and read them clearly and add anything you want, then only give your bike to servicing, when you take delivery of your bike, write your comments on the job card then sign, satisfied or unsatisfied , problem solved or not, then only sign. do this for the next two servicing and your problems should be sorted. remember you can go to service centers even in between serviciing if you have problems. if your problems are not solved in your next two visits to service centers, on you rthird visit, tell them to rectify teh problems and replace whatever faulty parts needs to be replaced otherwise you won't take delivery of bike and ask for there service manager of bajaj. i think your bike is in warranty. it is your right. besides these are not big problems.


                    Point taken Chief !!.... see the problem is, in Ghaziabad u find lot of 220's but 99% riders buy them for looks and style, indeed its stylish !!!! but they never ever pay any heed to small nitty gitty's of the machine ..free service means Bajaj SVC and after free services any road side machanic...so for me the best place to look out will be Delhi (either Pro-biking or any other good machanic) i know few ones in delhi but.. somehow i dont want to visit these guys till the machine has done apprx 15000 km ( correct me if i am wrong ).....you know warranty and all that stuff...n e ways will visit Pro- biking one and see wat best they can came up with..

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mik View Post
                      As has been suggested by everybody, lodge a complaint. A strong worded one at that. Explain what has happened. You will be getting a follow up pretty quickly.
                      If those morons are still not able to do anything, take it to Kirti Nagar SVC. They are slightly better. A mechanic in Gurgaon SVC is intelligent too. Rest are bogus.

                      Edit: Saw your post. If you are not using a probiking, you are taking pangas!! Only go to probikings. Also, i don't understand what you mean by "very Lovely" mail. If its courteous and matter of fact, expect a positive response.

                      I very politely wrote them my agony with there Authorised Service center, and also suggested to sent an expert of these bikes (200,220 and 180) to visit their showroom atleast twice a week to resolve problems which the regular guys of SVC cannot understand...hope it works.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                        the problem is not with the bike, it is the service center you are going to, try changing your service center. talk to them in a strict and confident tone (not harsh) and tell them to correct things at the earliest. if it does not get sorted, go to bajaj wesite and write to them about your problems. the service manager of your area will put a hot rod up thier a** and then service center guys will be at your feet. this happened with me once. if it doesn't solve your problem. go to pulsar garage meet in delhi and get in touch with some bajaj official.
                        believe me P220 is a very good bike and there are nice service centers too. its only that one bad fish spoils the whole pond



                        you have definitely not done any mistake, P220 is a good bike. you just need to give your service center guys a nice lesson.

                        one more thing i want to tell you is that since you have moved from a bullet, P220 is a very different machine than a bullet, you have to ride it in a very different way than bullet, similarly, it is to be taken care of in a very different way than bullet.

                        P220 is a much more technologically advanced and technically complex than a bullet, so in the initial years of riding, try not to fiddle with anythiong yourself, unless you have a very good understanding of it.

                        go to different service centers in your area and try to find out who has the best mechanic, try to build a good rapport with that mechanic and then trust all your jobs to him. one bike one mechanic is a good philosophy, since he will then have a fairly good understanding of what you want from your bike and he will be totally aware of your bike's history.

                        find other pulsar riders of your area on xbhp and ask them for best service centers in your area.

                        next time when you go to service center, tell them to write your problems on the job card clearly and read them clearly and add anything you want, then only give your bike to servicing, when you take delivery of your bike, write your comments on the job card then sign, satisfied or unsatisfied , problem solved or not, then only sign. do this for the next two servicing and your problems should be sorted. remember you can go to service centers even in between serviciing if you have problems. if your problems are not solved in your next two visits to service centers, on you rthird visit, tell them to rectify teh problems and replace whatever faulty parts needs to be replaced otherwise you won't take delivery of bike and ask for there service manager of bajaj. i think your bike is in warranty. it is your right. besides these are not big problems.


                        1. Rear disc brake is worst then a bicycle (Bajaj SVC in GZB is not even able to identify the problem !!!)

                        It doesnt put that kinda effect that it should....need to put lot of pressure for brake to bite ..
                        2. Auto Choke has stopped working by itself (Bajaj SVC GZB Spent 4 hours to locate the problem, they changed all the sensors but problem still remains).

                        before the second service, when i used to start the bike in morning it used to start without reving the throttle and the autochoke use to rev the RPM to 2200-2400 for few seconds (10 to 15) and used to come back to normal idle speed....not any more.

                        3. RPM is not stable since 1st service, if i increase it then,when the machine gets hot after few KMS the RPM shoots 2000 plus in slow speed, if lowers it then it wont start in morning !!!!, need to give approx 7-8 starters.

                        Never touched n e thing in carb...except for once when i reduced the RPM as in HOT condition (driving after 20 kms) suddenly the RPM shoot up to 4000 by itself on a redlight.

                        the chain makes a wierd noise, that SVC is not able to identify till date !!!.

                        no mods, no accidents not even a smallest one....it started with a screeching sound, iwent to SVC and they lubricated the chain , after 3 days it again showed up.... its a weired sound like something is sticking on the chain at it comes from rear end.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ajay78 View Post
                          Havent taken it to any Pro-Biking but i think must visit them now.....the bike has done 7500 till today and the next service is due on 9500 ....wat do u suggest should i wait for serive period or should visit them now. thanks a ton for such rich and informative suggestions and guidence.
                          No, dont wait it would be better if you resolve the issue now itself...
                          And by the way is it a Bajaj authorised Non-probiking svc that you had visited? if you take your p220 to non-probiking svc's for regular servicing they can claim a void on warranty once or twice for such issues can be negotiated but .. itz the best to stick on to the pro-biking showrooms till your warranty period is over, after that take it only to a knowledgeable mechanic.
                          But dude if it was not an authorised service centre just dont mention it. take it to a pro-biking svc, and get a job card. Meet the service manager and tell about your experience in the other authorised service station and that you expect atleast a good one from them. rest he would take care of, ask him what caused the issues to happen and how they had corrected it.

                          Originally posted by Ajay78 View Post
                          ...moreover sent a VERY LOVELY mail to bajaj customer care ...just now only ...lets see .....and by the way
                          that should do the job, land a call to them also...if you have not yet received any calls from them. but try the pro-biking svc first, if the other one was not an authorised one, go for a call only if you face the same experience from the pro-bikers too..

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                          • #14
                            P220 is still the best make from any Indian manufacturer..... but what I feel after using it for 1 year or 20k kms is that Bajaj is the biggest letdown..... their svc guys are lacking technical knowledge(in few cities or towns)..... the bike became superhit in last year oe so but the technical knowledge remains a big question for some cities or towns..... though it may seems natural..... try some good svc at Delhi, and you will be more delighted and happier than ever.....


                            Originally posted by Ajay78 View Post
                            1. Rear disc brake is worst then a bicycle (Bajaj SVC in GZB is not even able to identify the problem !!!)

                            It doesnt put that kinda effect that it should....need to put lot of pressure for brake to bite ..

                            the rear brake is not as good as the front one..... you put it hard, the rear tyre wobbles..... put less pressure, you won't feel it..... the pressure should be proper to have the right experience with the rear brake..... the point is, check if they had touched your brake pads(they do that at 3rd servicing)..... and try to use use the brake in a proper way(no offense)..... check if there is any issue with the pads.....

                            2. Auto Choke has stopped working by itself (Bajaj SVC GZB Spent 4 hours to locate the problem, they changed all the sensors but problem still remains).

                            before the second service, when i used to start the bike in morning it used to start without reving the throttle and the autochoke use to rev the RPM to 2200-2400 for few seconds (10 to 15) and used to come back to normal idle speed....not any more.

                            the temperature at your place might be very high right now..... so, the bike may not be needing the choke for long time..... moreover if its placed under sun, there will be no autochoke..... autochoke helps in cold starting..... so, at what time you start your bike, where is it placed, is there any need of autochoke at the time you start bike and blah blah things matter.....
                            autochoke is there for cold start.....

                            3. RPM is not stable since 1st service, if i increase it then,when the machine gets hot after few KMS the RPM shoots 2000 plus in slow speed, if lowers it then it wont start in morning !!!!, need to give approx 7-8 starters.

                            Never touched n e thing in carb...except for once when i reduced the RPM as in HOT condition (driving after 20 kms) suddenly the RPM shoot up to 4000 by itself on a redlight.

                            how u lower it when riding or why do u lower it after riding for 20kms.....please don't tamper with the idling if you are not aware of your riding conditions.....


                            the chain makes a wierd noise, that SVC is not able to identify till date !!!.

                            no mods, no accidents not even a smallest one....it started with a screeching sound, iwent to SVC and they lubricated the chain , after 3 days it again showed up.... its a weired sound like something is sticking on the chain at it comes from rear end.

                            no ideas about this one..... two things are of concern..... 1st check if the chain is loose..... second, if dirt is accumulated on the chain(though it should not make any noise).....
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                            • #15
                              now i want to scold you dear.................P220 needs to be taken care of by only Pro-biking service centers................... DO NOT EVER GET IT SERVICED AT NON PRO-BIKING SERVICE CENTER.

                              regarding your brake i think you are using it in a wrong way (no-offense meant) but since you have shifted from a bullet. tell us do you use your front brake??

                              regarding chain noise ...........it is an open chain, so put your vehicle on center stand and try to find out.............i think you should be able to locate teh fault.............

                              for the rest of problems visit a pro-biking service center immediately.

                              and never fiddle with carb.
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