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**SKSy_Biker** · 06-28-2011, 08:39 AM

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**pankajshirke** · 06-28-2011, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by arnab3112 View Post

Hi guys!!

I brought home a brand new black p135-ls ug this sunday afternoon.. It took some time for me to zero into this bike..

I want to share this story with you all..

I am from bhilai in chhattisgarh.. I have just completed my engineering and have come back home to spend a couple of months before my joining letter arrives..

Meanwhile my father's '86 model vespa is giving him some trouble(finally).. i must tell u that he has kept the scooter as his darling.. and it still gives a decent mileage.. But i think my father finally understood that time has come he bought a new bike..

Here i come into picture.. as his personal advisor.. As we were taking it for my father basically, it had to be a commuter segment bike.. I had told him that if i was there i would never let him buy bikes like passion pro or super splendour.. frankly i have never had any liking for HH bikes.. although i know that they give decent quality and after sales service.. but somehow i find their products absurd.. they even spoil the good ones..(except hunk which i respect).. So we zeroed into CB Twister.. It was clearly the best product in that segment.. we even went to the showroom to get a test ride..

After a few days my father asked me about a bike he had seen in the market.. He said it was a pulsar ...125 cc pulsar.. i understood at that vry moment that it had to be the p135ls.. he liked the looks so much that we went for the test ride that very day..

what it meant was that i was getting a chance to pursue my father to jump to the next segment.. i could not waste this chance.. i started pursuing my father for it.. Such were the looks of this machine that the twister was not even coming into my mind.. and everything at almost the same price..

But there were some fors and againsts

For p135ls

1. looks 2. more power 3.features(attention to detail) 4.decent mileage 5. almost same price as that of twister

For Twister

1. Honda reliability 2. honda refinement 3. more mileage 4. a strange but valid point. my father is just 5' 4" high. so his feet were able to land better in this bike than the pulsar( i somehow managed by saying that it will come by practice)

Having known seen and tested pulsar there was no way i was going to go back..

Actually i have a plan of taking this bike with me after a couple of years...

Please do reply to my queries as i am pretty new in the biking scene...

Thanks in advance!!!

Go for Pulsar 135
Reason
Pulsar is also a good and trusted brand
Secondly
how do you say that Honda CB twister means more mileage
Company claims its mileage around 70 which means that practically you will get mileage around 55 to 60
A Pulsar 135 and even P-150 also gives this much mileage hence no question of more mileage or less mileage
If you want mileage,then you can go for Passion Pro/Discover 100/TVS Sport
These bikes will give you mileage
Always remember that Yamaha,Honda and Suzuki(Gearless scooters) will give you only good performance and not very good mileage.
You cannot get mileage and performance both at a time in any bike.If you want performance then you have to sacrifice mileage and if you want mileage,then you have to sacrifice performance.

Hence you decide what you want.

**Amitesh_bajpai007** · 06-28-2011, 11:24 AM

Buying the byk fr ur dad.. u shld consider CB twister because it has a decent look

... whereas Pulsar 135ls has a sporty look which may suit d youngsters more n r nt suitable fr dad

.. even pulsar 150 is quite decent bike.. u cn go for Honda shine also

**vipin_s** · 06-28-2011, 01:19 PM

You should ask your Dad to test drive both bikes, the P135 seating is very uncomfortable and for old men it's a big 'no' P135 styling is also vague. P135 has non-adjustable clip-ons as well.

Twister will be best, just put thicker tyre at the rear. Better mileage, lesser initial money, light bike, long termer, Honda peace of mind.

**arnab3112** · 06-28-2011, 04:08 PM

Thanks guys for all your views.. But i said that i have already bought the p135.. And there are some queries on this..

The engine is getting heated up pretty soon...
The showroom guys have put a front mud guard which has been screwed to the front leg guard.. Is this provided by the company itself?? I am asking this because the manual says not to put any mud protection sheet from front..Should i remove it??

What should be the idle rpm for this bike.. When the bike was first started it was 1000 rpm.. then the mechanic changed it.. it was too low(around 900 maybe).. i went to the svc yesterday and the service engineer said that it should be around 1350.. When i asked the mechanic to tune it, he tuned it to 1000 rpm and said that it was correct.. it seemed to be correct yesterday when the engine was warm.. But today when i am trying to start it(cold engine) ,it is getting off automatically after 15 to 20 seconds.. It is not affecting the ride though.. Should i change it or wait till my first servicing...

**arnab3112** · 06-28-2011, 04:12 PM

But i must admit one thing.. This is a beauty from bajaj.. Especially the gear shifts.. They are so 'NOT' bajaj...

**arnab3112** · 06-28-2011, 07:49 PM

Coming back from a ride right now(around 20kms)... I saw the idle rpm after 10 kms as 1200 rpm.. And the engine was running super smooth without any wobbles in neutral.. Same was not the case in the morning as it the engine was not tht smooth and was wobbling a bit before stopping..

I think its fine.. what do you think??

And one more thing... Does setting in a lower rpm increase the fuel efficiency??

**princesirohi** · 06-28-2011, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by arnab3112 View Post

Thanks guys for all your views.. But i said that i have already bought the p135.. And there are some queries on this..

The engine is getting heated up pretty soon...
The showroom guys have put a front mud guard which has been screwed to the front leg guard.. Is this provided by the company itself?? I am asking this because the manual says not to put any mud protection sheet from front..Should i remove it??

What should be the idle rpm for this bike.. When the bike was first started it was 1000 rpm.. then the mechanic changed it.. it was too low(around 900 maybe).. i went to the svc yesterday and the service engineer said that it should be around 1350.. When i asked the mechanic to tune it, he tuned it to 1000 rpm and said that it was correct.. it seemed to be correct yesterday when the engine was warm.. But today when i am trying to start it(cold engine) ,it is getting off automatically after 15 to 20 seconds.. It is not affecting the ride though.. Should i change it or wait till my first servicing...

mudguard attached to crash guard / leg guard is not a standard accessory, the showroom wanted to sell it to you, so they lied to you and probably charged you. it protects your lower legs and shoes from mud in rainy season, BUT, it prevents the proper cooling of engine and engine gets over heated. do not use it, remove immediately. if you still want to use it cut a 200 mm X 200 mm hole just in front of engine, so that air can pass freely while riding. but even with hole, remove once the rainy season is over. it may also disturb the bike's alance in heavy winds.

Originally posted by arnab3112 View Post

Coming back from a ride right now(around 20kms)... I saw the idle rpm after 10 kms as 1200 rpm.. And the engine was running super smooth without any wobbles in neutral.. Same was not the case in the morning as it the engine was not tht smooth and was wobbling a bit before stopping..

I think its fine.. what do you think??

And one more thing... Does setting in a lower rpm increase the fuel efficiency??

as far as i know, idle rpm should be between 1000 to 1200 rpm, my pulsar 150 idles at 1200 rpm. most important thing, idle rpm should not vary so much from 900 to 1350 rpm between hot and cold. get it checked and adjusted from a knowledgable mechanic. too low idle rpm causes the problem you stated that it dies out after starting.

yes, reducing idle rpm increses mileage slightly, because you are consuming slightly less petrol on traffic lights.

**pankajshirke** · 06-28-2011, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by arnab3112 View Post

Coming back from a ride right now(around 20kms)... I saw the idle rpm after 10 kms as 1200 rpm.. And the engine was running super smooth without any wobbles in neutral.. Same was not the case in the morning as it the engine was not tht smooth and was wobbling a bit before stopping..

I think its fine.. what do you think??

And one more thing... Does setting in a lower rpm increase the fuel efficiency??

Actually low rpm means that your throttle response at higher speed is good
Even in my Victor GLX 125,I kept the idling rpm to very low till my bike dont stall while idling and believe me,I can reach top speed of 115 kmph and still I feel that my bike can go till 120 but in this case I get very poor pickup.Even a scooty can beat my bike in pickup.whereas if I increase idling rpm,I get top speed of 100 kph but very good pickup
But low rpm is good for enhanced engine life hence if your bike dont stall while idling,let that settings be as it is
There is no problem even if your idling rpm is around 1200

After running for 20 kms,your idling rpm should be around 1300 to 1400
So when you start the bike for first time in morning,is it around 800 to 1000 range?
Due to less idling engine rpm,engine oil doesnt circulate properly in the engine hence heating of engine occours.
But there is a solution for that
in morning when you start the bike dont do button start immidiately
Instead do one thing
Operate the kick start with ignition key off and give around 5 to 7 kicks and then button start the bike.
Due to the kick start operation without ignition on, engine oil which is settled down by night will start circulating in engine.
Thus heating of engine problem will reduce due to this.
And when it is servicing time,just tell the ASC about this problem,they will adjust the rpm and clutch settings
and if you still find this problem then you still have option of morning exercise of kick start operation with ignition off

**arnab3112** · 06-28-2011, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

mudguard attached to crash guard / leg guard is not a standard accessory, the showroom wanted to sell it to you, so they lied to you and probably charged you. it protects your lower legs and shoes from mud in rainy season, BUT, it prevents the proper cooling of engine and engine gets over heated. do not use it, remove immediately. if you still want to use it cut a 200 mm X 200 mm hole just in front of engine, so that air can pass freely while riding. but even with hole, remove once the rainy season is over. it may also disturb the bike's alance in heavy winds.

Thanks man.. i will surely keep it in mind.. And i am going to do this as soon as the rains end..

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

as far as i know, idle rpm should be between 1000 to 1200 rpm, my pulsar 150 idles at 1200 rpm. most important thing, idle rpm should not vary so much from 900 to 1350 rpm between hot and cold. get it checked and adjusted from a knowledgable mechanic. too low idle rpm causes the problem you stated that it dies out after starting.

yes, reducing idle rpm increses mileage slightly, because you are consuming slightly less petrol on traffic lights.

The rpm varies from 1000 to 1200 when cold to hot respectively.. Should i increase it slightly?? Is it anyway harmful for the engine.. Someone has stated that lower rpm is good for longer engine life..

**arnab3112** · 06-28-2011, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by pankajshirke View Post

Actually low rpm means that your throttle response at higher speed is good
Even in my Victor GLX 125,I kept the idling rpm to very low till my bike dont stall while idling and believe me,I can reach top speed of 115 kmph and still I feel that my bike can go till 120 but in this case I get very poor pickup.Even a scooty can beat my bike in pickup.whereas if I increase idling rpm,I get top speed of 100 kph but very good pickup
But low rpm is good for enhanced engine life hence if your bike dont stall while idling,let that settings be as it is
There is no problem even if your idling rpm is around 1200

After running for 20 kms,your idling rpm should be around 1300 to 1400
So when you start the bike for first time in morning,is it around 800 to 1000 range?
Due to less idling engine rpm,engine oil doesnt circulate properly in the engine hence heating of engine occours.
But there is a solution for that
in morning when you start the bike dont do button start immidiately
Instead do one thing
Operate the kick start with ignition key off and give around 5 to 7 kicks and then button start the bike.
Due to the kick start operation without ignition on, engine oil which is settled down by night will start circulating in engine.
Thus heating of engine problem will reduce due to this.
And when it is servicing time,just tell the ASC about this problem,they will adjust the rpm and clutch settings
and if you still find this problem then you still have option of morning exercise of kick start operation with ignition off

I do follow this technique you said.. I kick it 5 times with ignition off.. But i am not sure whether it has to be done with the clutch pressed or open( i do it with my clutch lever pressed).. Still the problem of engine shutting off persists.. i have to give some throttle to keep it on.. Is this a major problem or can i wait till my first service..??

**Samarth 619** · 06-28-2011, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by arnab3112 View Post

I do follow this technique you said.. I kick it 5 times with ignition off.. But i am not sure whether it has to be done with the clutch pressed or open( i do it with my clutch lever pressed).. Still the problem of engine shutting off persists.. i have to give some throttle to keep it on.. Is this a major problem or can i wait till my first service..??

Use it for 1-2 kms so that its heated up fine. Then, tell the mechanic to set the idle rpm between 1400 and 1600. Then, it should not stall. It's not that a big issue though.
Mechanics often argue that low idle gives good mileage, but that's a complete rubbish, unless you keep your bike on in traffic lights or so.

Also, since it is a new bike, warm it up properly for 20-30 seconds in the morning by running on idle rpm. This not only circulates the engine with oil, it makes the engine slightly less prone to stalling... It's a good habit for long term maintenance too.

**arnab3112** · 06-28-2011, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Use it for 1-2 kms so that its heated up fine. Then, tell the mechanic to set the idle rpm between 1400 and 1600. Then, it should not stall. It's not that a big issue though.
Mechanics often argue that low idle gives good mileage, but that's a complete rubbish, unless you keep your bike on in traffic lights or so.

Also, since it is a new bike, warm it up properly for 20-30 seconds in the morning by running on idle rpm. This not only circulates the engine with oil, it makes the engine slightly less prone to stalling... It's a good habit for long term maintenance too.

I am going to change my rpm tomorrow first thing in the morning.. But whats the answer to that kick problem.. Should i kick in the morning before the first ride( in ignition off position) with the clutch pressed or open??

**Samarth 619** · 06-28-2011, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by arnab3112 View Post

I am going to change my rpm tomorrow first thing in the morning.. But whats the answer to that kick problem.. Should i kick in the morning before the first ride( in ignition off position) with the clutch pressed or open??

To warm up, Just start the bike and run it in idle rpm's for 30 seconds or so. It's not necessary to kick it 5-7 times. In fact, this is the first time I heard of such a thing.

Secondly, even if you try this technique of kicking it to warm up, clutch lever can be open because a kick does turn the crank, inside the crankcase.

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