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    guyies help me, lately while travelling from pune to indore i was pulled over by a thulla. my bike belongs to m.p. and my papers were complete except the ownership belongs to my dad and i also had the reg. card stating that, but still that thulla wanted a hand written letter signed by my father stating that he allows me to ride the bike. is it necessary and if yes should i get it done on a stamp paper and signed by local police station?
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    • #3
      though, i have never been pulled by any traffic cop for such a thing, i think it is required.
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        i dont know if u need the signed papers..but according to Mr.Praveen Soods announcement you can not be stopped by policemen just to check your license or documents.....
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        • #5
          i do't see how this is an issue...
          there is no fine for "not having a document" which grants you permission to ride someone else's bike.

          anyone telling you otherwise is being a bully.

          RC, PUC, Tax, Drivers License.
          that's all you need.

          Originally posted by revvhard View Post
          you can not be stopped by policemen just to check your license or documents.....
          true.

          unless... in the case of a traffic violation.
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          • #6
            What are the nescessary papers that need to be carried along with the vehicle ? (Own)
            What are the papers that need to be obtained from the owner if the vehicle is a second-hand ?
            Thanks in advance!
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            • #7
              what is thulla?..
              Cant u cant call them as police / cops with some respect?..
              forgive me if i sound rude, but that word sounds very derogatory.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by xxbomb View Post
                what is thulla?..
                Cant u cant call them as police / cops with some respect?..
                forgive me if i sound rude, but that word sounds very derogatory.
                Cut the OT mate

                @xtremebiker: Apart from the above mentioned papers, Insurance papers for the vehicle you are driving are equally important too, never mind if your life is not insured. Sad law of our land.

                If you possess a valid driving licence and the relevant papers, nothing else is required even if you do not own that vehicle.
                Last edited by Omega Man; 07-12-2011, 12:36 AM.
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                • #9
                  Even if RC , PUC , mandatory Insurance , Road tax token & driving license is present and valid ... If that RC is in someone else's name .. whosoever that might be ( dad , brother or an unknown person ) .. and he/she has not expressly permitted you to use & ride his/her bike in writing .. and such permission if present could not be verified ( who knows , you didn't fake the permission letter ??!! ) ... You are committing the same offense under MV acts as stealing that vehicle . Isn't it ?
                  Yes , written permission containing the address and immediate phone number of the registered owner ( even that phone needs to be registered in the vehicle owner's name & at the same address too ) , properly attested by any recognized attesting authority ( gazetted officer , notary public, magistrate etc ) should be carried by you at all times , if the bike isn't technically your's . It is best to accompany such a permission letter with attested photocopies of the registered owner & your Identity cards ( like voter's ID etc ) , displaying his address to be same as all the other documents .

                  Originally posted by Omega Man View Post
                  Cut the OT mate
                  @xtremebiker: Apart from the above mentioned papers, Insurance papers for the vehicle you are driving are equally important too, never mind if your life is not insured. Sad law of our land.
                  If you possess a valid driving licence and the relevant papers, nothing else is required even if you do not own that vehicle.
                  Making a derogatory comment on a public servant on duty ( like a policeman ) , or a verbal utterance aiming to undermine his position in the eyes of the public is punishable by law .
                  Insurance for the vehicle itself is not mandatory , what is mandatory insurance is third-party risk cover which covers only the damage that your vehilce may do to a third person by accident .. like say a pedestrian you have hit .
                  Again permission letter as I mentioned above is necessary if the vehicle is not registered in your name , even if say it's your car being driven by your driver ( while you are not present on it ).
                  Last edited by Pinaki; 07-14-2011, 02:12 AM.

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                  • #10
                    I have had the same experience, in my car though, when I was travelling in shimla. That was the 1st time I heard of this "permission" document that I need to carry.
                    Never had an issue in delhi or anywhere else.
                    I'd also love to know the procedure involved.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                      Even RC , PUC , mandatory Insurance , Road tax token & driving license is present and valid ... If that RC is in someone else's name .. whosoever that might be ( dad , brother or an unknown person ) .. and he/she has not expressly permitted you to use & ride his/her bike in writing .. and such permission if present could be verified ( who knows , you didn't fake the permission letter ??!! ) ... You are committing the same offense under MV acts as stealing that vehicle . Isn't it ?
                      here's a scenario...

                      - your friend's bike is insured.

                      - your borrow your friends bike.

                      - you have the RC (on his name), PUC, tax cert, insurance etc... all in order.

                      - you crash

                      - all the insurance company requires is for the driver who was riding the
                      ..vehicle at the time of the crash to have a valid drivers license.

                      - they're not going to ask for a letter or such stating your friend gave you
                      ..permission to ride the bike.

                      the insurance thing is just an example...


                      as far as i'm aware...
                      you don't need any kind of "written" document that makes it legal to ride someone else's bike.

                      you can just ride it.
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                      • #12
                        That the vehicle is covered by insurance for damage comprehensively and all other papers be in order , does not make it legal to be driven by a bike thief ? Even if that thief has a valid driving license ?? How is it evident to that policeman that you have not stolen the vehicle alongwith it's papers and now passing it off as yours friends or brothers or cousins etc ?
                        Be aware that in such a case it is no longer a matter of a simple traffic fine ; the policeman can arrest you and impound the vehicle for suspected theft . This has become a very realistic and serious matter since all these terrorist acts in which stolen vehicles were used like say as a car or bike bomb . All law enforcement officers and traffic police have been updated , instructed and trained recently to prevent this , so it is very likely that they will pursue the absence of the owner and his permission very seriously .
                        Last edited by Pinaki; 07-14-2011, 03:14 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                          That the vehicle is covered by insurance for damage comprehensively and all other papers be in order , does not make it legal to be driven by a bike thief ? Even if that thief has a valid driving license ?? How is it evident to that policeman that you have not stolen the vehicle alongwith it's papers and now passing it off as yours friends or brothers or cousins etc ?
                          Be aware that in such a case it is no longer a matter of a simple traffic fine ; the policeman can arrest you and impound the vehicle for suspected theft . This has become a very realistic and serious matter since all these terrorist acts in which stolen vehicles were used like say as a car or bike bomb . All law enforcement officers and traffic police have been updated , instructed and trained recently to prevent this , so it is very likely that they will pursue the absence of the owner and his permission very seriously .
                          Thats bull shit, the last thing on the mind of a bloody indian policeman is to catch a terrorist, all he wants is to go home with some money in his pocket, and you said the vehicle can be stolen and used by terrorists... whenever a vehicle is stolen, police can make a note of the engine chasis no. bike no. etc,.. and when they see some terrorist riding it,they can catch him, but if i'm riding my fathers/mothers motorcycle and when his name is written in bold letters on my driving licence as my father and if the bike is registered in his name, then i dont see any reason why they should mistake me with a terrorist(untill some terrorist manages to bribe some idiot and get a lisence on my name)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                            Even if that thief has a valid driving license ?? How is it evident to that policeman that you have not stolen the vehicle alongwith it's papers and now passing it off as yours friends or brothers or cousins etc?
                            it's not a traffic cop's job to simply assume that a bike's been stolen.

                            Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                            Be aware that in such a case it is no longer a matter of a simple traffic fine ; the policeman can arrest you and impound the vehicle for suspected theft.
                            arrested for suspected theft?

                            traffic policeman (constable) can't even fine you let alone arrest you.

                            "Only traffic officers of the rank of assistant sub-inspector and above have the powers to impose fines"
                            SOURCE: The Times of India


                            Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                            This has become a very realistic and serious matter since all these terrorist acts in which stolen vehicles were used like say as a car or bike bomb . All law enforcement officers and traffic police have been updated , instructed and trained recently to prevent this , so it is very likely that they will pursue the absence of the owner and his permission very seriously.
                            this has nothing to do with terrorism...

                            here's a list of offenses by the mumbai traffic police...

                            you'll notice... that there's no fine for riding someone else's bike
                            (even if you don't have their "written" consent.)
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                            Last edited by xionite; 07-14-2011, 01:52 PM. Reason: typo
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                            • #15
                              I need some information, i have a Learning licence right now(for motorcycle with gear), am i allowed to ride anywhere on there road or are there any restrictions?
                              Could not find much info about this on google
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