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**darkknight** · 08-11-2011, 03:50 PM

why is zmr so heavy-----

----- coz it is above all -- simple

**psr** · 08-11-2011, 04:38 PM

Karizma wheel base is 1,355 mm.

Yamaha wheel base is 1,290 mm.

Add the extra 40 Kgs weight increase,No way Karizma can be as Light,and flickable as the Yam R15...Karizma as a total package has everything one can look for....mostly engine Reliability and Refinement..

**aargee** · 08-11-2011, 06:40 PM

^^^ +1; As technology advances, it also comes with added troubles; always the oldies are known for less issues as they've matured over time.

DK - ROFL!!!

Good one!!!

**psr** · 08-11-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

^^^ +1; As technology advances, it also comes with added troubles; always the oldies are known for less issues as they've matured over time.

DK - ROFL!!!

Good one!!!

True the Karizma has a Upper RPM limit around 9 K + RPM,is a long stroke ,develops good torque,an old design, which is vibration free...and has NO BALANCER mechanism to weed out vibes..
Most modern designed bikes essentially have a balancer to take care of vibes, and if it is not aligned and set properly, after a spirited ride,you are numb all over...esp., your seat and..err.. nearby areas..

**aargee** · 08-11-2011, 07:19 PM

^^^ Does R15 have a balancer? I don't think so.

**psr** · 08-11-2011, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

^^^ Does R15 have a balancer? I don't think so.

It does.
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**aargee** · 08-11-2011, 08:02 PM

^^^ News to me!!! But do they go out of balance often? They don't right? Anyway, we're once again coming to our fav topic of R15!!!

On ZMA/R, personally, I don't think they're heavy machines; though I've a very limited ride experience, from a person, who only rode Rx for several years, I found ZMA was still breeze & easy compared to Rx.

**Divya Sharan** · 08-11-2011, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by rohitsapru View Post

What is your height?

Yes the ZMR is heavy. But I have never felt any problems in handling the bike in city. The only time I feel its weight is when I have to park it/remove it from parking from tights spots in crowded Pune. I can't visualize the "tearing thru traffic vs remains stuck" comparison that you have mentioned. A decent rider should be able to maneouvre all these bikes well.

Pls don't compare it with other bikes like R15. Surely you don't ride your ZMR with the this-machine's-40kgs-heavier thought in your mind. Ride in the correct gears and you should be fine. If you recently switched from a much lighter bike, like I did, from the ultra light and handling delight Yamaha RX100, then you just need to get used to the extra weight, which you gradually will.

Let me tell you that the ZMR has an excellent built quality. The fairing will protect you, if you happen to fall, don't ask me how do I know this...

The RVMs are very good, they offer great visuals, but yes can cause a space crunch. Fold them inwards slightly to suit the traffic you're riding in.

Please don't bother to think about reducing weight. With the kind of pathetic service quality HH workshops provide, we would be lucky if we can manage to keep this bike in stock condition and running as it should, for a few years to come.

I'm 5 ft 10 inches tall. Ya, you're right. Since I shifted from driving HH Splendor, I feel the weight...

**psr** · 08-11-2011, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

^^^ News to me!!! But do they go out of balance often? They don't right? Anyway, we're once again coming to our fav topic of R15!!!

On ZMA/R, personally, I don't think they're heavy machines; though I've a very limited ride experience, from a person, who only rode Rx for several years, I found ZMA was still breeze & easy compared to Rx.

ZMA feels heavy and not flickable...but when Mr.Sriram rode my ZMA he said it was nimble than his new ZMA...The reason was I had adjusted the handle bars a little towards the rider,while the stock position is a bit away from the rider....This had made the ZMA feel like a smaller bike,and easy to maneuver.
In ZMR with clipons it is not possible,.....without changing it with spacers ,or changing to conventional ones

**Divya Sharan** · 08-11-2011, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Sharan - With due respects, you need to learn more of rear skidding & dynamics of your motorcycle before you could start modding on shedding weight - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...que-fault.html

What about the warranty on the motorcycle? Is it over yet? Do not mod the bike while it is still under warranty.

Like JD says, both are two different technology, launched by two different companies & there're several factors affecting things. A poorly ridden R15 can also easily over taken by a Rx135. So pls compare ZMA to ZMA or ZMR to ZMR. If I were you, I'd start with riding another ZMA/ZMR that is quite identical to the one I own.

@Aargee: Well you caught me on the brake thing!! Hey I'm not in a mood to modify the bike now. Its been only 7 months since I bought it and 3-4 months in the traffic of Chennai... I'm slowly getting used to it too, but sometimes it feels heavy.... Very heavy...

**psr** · 08-11-2011, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

^^^ News to me!!! But do they go out of balance often? They don't right? Anyway, we're once again coming to our fav topic of R15!!!

On ZMA/R, personally, I don't think they're heavy machines; though I've a very limited ride experience, from a person, who only rode Rx for several years, I found ZMA was still breeze & easy compared to Rx.

Ji, here is a link to the dynamics of engine and offset balancing..please go through all the pages...
Balancing Small Engines by ET Westbury: Page 1

**hellbreaker46** · 08-11-2011, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

^^^ News to me!!! But do they go out of balance often? They don't right? Anyway, we're once again coming to our fav topic of R15!!!

On ZMA/R, personally, I don't think they're heavy machines; though I've a very limited ride experience, from a person, who only rode Rx for several years, I found ZMA was still breeze & easy compared to Rx.

I don't know how you managed that but an Rx would be atleast 30kgs lighter than the "ZMA" also it would be having a much smaller wheelbase compared to the ZMA and would handle better through the traffic.

@ Topic starter: The ZMA was always a heavy bike ,+ adding fairing to it makes it even heavier, on the other hand it's technology that makes the R15 much lighter also it's 73 cc lesser than the ZMR but most importantly it's built for a purpose that's why it's lighter,faster ,better handler and more stable.
The 220 is built for roll on acceleration and tremendous torque throughout the rev range, though it's almost the same cc but no fairings,more hp,more torque makes it faster and a long wheelbase makes it more stable and handling is almost similar theough the ZMR handles slightly better.
These are the true facts , no hard feelings. And remember that it's the rider and not the bike . You chose ZMR above all and I think you would be proud of it. Ther is no need of comparos.

Ride safe

**aargee** · 08-11-2011, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

In ZMR with clipons it is not possible,.....without changing it with spacers ,or changing to conventional ones

Is it? Again news to me!!! I always thought clip-ons give better control with less vibes. Personally I find C250R to be excellent in handling (except on 130+ speeds) & was always complimented the clip-ons & forward leaning posture.

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

I'm slowly getting used to it too, but sometimes it feels heavy.... Very heavy...

May be you need to get used to it; but again, comparing it with other segment will only leave disappointment.

PSR Ji & DS - Now I'm beginning to think what is "heavy"; obviously we cannot compare R15 & ZMA as each has got its own character. Pls help understand.

@hellbreaker - Its not about managing; one has to understand that Rx is not same as ZMA & at the same time one cannot try the stunts of Rx on ZMA. For the kind of category ZMA is, it is OK. I too agree its not flickable as R15 though. But for the kind of segment it is in, its not to be termed heavy.

**satyenpoojary** · 08-11-2011, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Is it? Again news to me!!! I always thought clip-ons give better control with less vibes. Personally I find C250R to be excellent in handling (except on 130+ speeds) & was always complimented the clip-ons & forward leaning posture.

And what you wrote is right but it has nothing to do with what PSR said.

**111diablo111** · 08-11-2011, 09:09 PM

@topic starter

I m 5'11 & for my height m quiet lean

but i never had any problem while maneuvering ZMR from traffic..I am having rtr as well but still i feel more confident while cutting traffic using ZMR cuz i am better used too with this machine or even if i talk about my experience while riding my friend's R15, i feel the same as rtr..

ZMR is heavier then most of its competitor but that also adds a plus point to it as its not much flicker-able due to wind(crosswind) on highways where this machine should spend most of its time

as per my experience, ZMR has better handling then ZMA/P220..but still even both of these bikes are maneuverable in traffic by their riders..its only depends on a rider how he's getting used to his bike..

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