Just let the throttle off so the speed drops, then again give the throttle to move up. Keep your speed between 30-50kmph.(In top gear, RPM shall vary between 3000 to 4000rpm)
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Nope. You dont have to shift gears or brake.Originally posted by uddiptocse View Post
Just let the throttle off so the speed drops, then again give the throttle to move up. Keep your speed between 30-50kmph.(In top gear, RPM shall vary between 3000 to 4000rpm)Last edited by prajnyan; 07-28-2012, 12:57 AM.There are no short-cuts to any place worth going. So ride safe when you are treading uncharted roads.
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for how long my odo id now 1507Originally posted by prajnyan View PostNope. You dont have to shift gears or brake.
Just let the throttle off so the speed drops, then again give the throttle to move up. Keep your speed between 30-50kmph.(In top gear, RPM shall vary between 3000 to 4000rpm)
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Originally posted by shv18 View PostHi,
I have been using Motul Fully Synthetic 300v 4T 15W 50 Double Ester for the last 7,000 kms and it is an absolute bliss to run one's bike in.. I completely disagree with Prajnyan in this regard.. No clutch slippage, engine over heating or oil evaporation. Other way round the vibrations go down even further..
My ride's ODO is on 22,000 kms.. 1st time i switched over to FS oil had done a top up of a negligible 30ml at 3900 kms as i was constantly thrashing her for my long distance marathons and then replaced the engine oil at 5,300 kms.. The bike engine is butter smooth and the gears shift effortlessly.. i have documented all my ride's ownership history on FZ thread so can be checked by anyone who is interested.. Motul FS oil has been specifically designed for motorcycles so unless a user has accidentally used a car based FS oil or has busted piston rings, not taken care of basic periodic servicing needed by the ride.. there is nothing wrong using it in an FZ engine.
On a personal note i would recommend switching over to FS from Mineral oil after your ride has finished 2nd servicing/ 3000 kms..
Cheers,
as i am planning to ride a 355+355(up & down) so i am little bit confused. my odo still now not 2k so if i use SS or FS for this engine will it make trouble later or i'll stick to 20w40 minarel grade for this..
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Hi,Originally posted by prajnyan View Post
I did mention that the ride would be really smooth! Also that it costs double the cost of an SS.
I would prefer he uses mineral for first two service, then semi synt for next one or two, after which he can switch to fully synt.
We don't know how many km he intends to use the bike every month. Also since yamaha service manual suggests you must do oil change every 3000km, not changing oil since its fully synt can be held up by the svc if you try claiming warranty in future.
Moreover fully synt is useful if I ride like you suggested about 100km a day, then 5-6000km once oil change in 2 months would really make sense than changing mineral oil every 15days.
But for most, the SS gives much better performance than an mineral and for its price it is a better deal too as it lasts much longer than the 70days/3000km interval so we can easily use the oil for one service interval.
Since, the thread starter had raised a query on the same hence, i had put forward my response accordingly
. As far as Yamaha warranty is concerned: if i may, it doesn't cover any consumable parts and electrical parts with exception to the meter console and that's about it.. so in my 2 years of experience with my FZ, all i can state is Yamaha warranty is just a marketing gimmick and that's about it.
2ndly, as far as the engine oil is concerned.. Yamaha has put forward the timeline in the manual based on the 20W 40 mineral oil which by default has a lesser life expectancy once exposed to the elements thus by nature it oxidizes faster. The same is not necessarily applicable when one puts in FS oil... regardless, i would say if the thread starter wants to use the FS oil and specifically Motul he can do so post 2nd service as most of the parts have already mated to their correct tolerance level and can have longer service intervals. FS oil, especially from Motul has better lubrication properties compared to SS oil so for long rides especially... it is much better than mineral or SS oil in terms of endurance and keeps the engine running at optimum temperature without letting it overheat. I have done 500 kms non stop on it so can claim whatever i have said
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Pricing wise i do agree that FS oil is on the higher side and cash wise SS oil makes more sense.. however, i shall leave the decision to the thread starter to choose which one to go for based on his requirement. On a personal note, i would rate FS any day better over SS oil.
So unless the thread starter is hell bent upon saving his warranty claims (if ever required), he can shift to FS oil and enjoy the experience.
@threadstarter: regarding your other query, you use variable throttle i.e. not keeping the engine running at the same revs in a particular gear constantly for a long time. Instead, you reach say 4000 rpm and then shift all the gears to 5th at the same revs then on the road you don't keep her constantly running at 4000 rpm for a long distance. Instead, you throttle her up to 4000 rpm run her on that rpm for some time and then let go of the throttle and then again raise her to 4000 rpm.
The idea is to put different load to the engine and let the break in process happen much more efficiently. the ideal way of doing this is to modulate the throttle, in between change the gears and then hit 4000 rpm, let go of the throttle and down shift to a higher gear and then accelerate. the engine experiences different load throughout. You can also gently give a short burst all the way to 6000 rpm and then let go of the throttle and then bring her down to 4000 rpm for the first 500 kms. The key is being gentle and not go crazy unless one intends to follow the "Motoman technique" which is not recommended unless one understands the inner workings of the engine and also how to counter act a problem should something go wrong.
I would suggest both the thread starter and the mods to merge this with the FZ ownership thread rather than keeping this as a separate topic as all of this has been extensively discussed in the Yamaha FZ/Fazer ownership thread.
Cheers,Last edited by shv18; 07-28-2012, 01:45 AM.A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P
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Originally posted by shv18 View PostHi,
I have been using Motul Fully Synthetic 300v 4T 15W 50 Double Ester for the last 7,000 kms and it is an absolute bliss to run one's bike in.. I completely disagree with Prajnyan in this regard.. No clutch slippage, engine over heating or oil evaporation. Other way round the vibrations go down even further..
My ride's ODO is on 22,000 kms.. 1st time i switched over to FS oil had done a top up of a negligible 30ml at 3900 kms as i was constantly thrashing her for my long distance marathons and then replaced the engine oil at 5,300 kms.. The bike engine is butter smooth and the gears shift effortlessly.. i have documented all my ride's ownership history on FZ thread so can be checked by anyone who is interested.. Motul FS oil has been specifically designed for motorcycles so unless a user has accidentally used a car based FS oil or has busted piston rings, not taken care of basic periodic servicing needed by the ride.. there is nothing wrong using it in an FZ engine.
On a personal note i would recommend switching over to FS from Mineral oil after your ride has finished 2nd servicing/ 3000 kms..
Cheers,
as i am planning to ride a 355+355(up & down) so i am little bit confused. my odo still now not 2k so if i use SS or FS for this engine will it make trouble later or i'll stick to 20w40 minarel grade for this..
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If you have finished your 1000 kms of run-in period.. you can shift to SS or FS oil. however, based on personal experience, you should stick to mineral oil till the 2nd service and then can decide to go crazy on whichever oil you would like to use... If you have not finished your run -in yet.. i would suggest finish that first and then commence with your long distance ride..Originally posted by uddiptocse View Postas i am planning to ride a 355+355(up & down) so i am little bit confused. my odo still now not 2k so if i use SS or FS for this engine will it make trouble later or i'll stick to 20w40 minarel grade for this..
Mineral oil: Motul 3000v 4T 20W 40: costs same as Yamalube: Life = 2500-3000 kms based on usage. Since, you are planning to ride a 700+ kms journey, mineral oil will do fine but post 2500 kms change it asap... you will notice that post 2500 kms the engine oil has become completely black...
And yes you can switch to whichever brand of oil you like.. if the SVC guys tell you that it will void warranty.. ask them to give it in writing and on their SVC letterhead.. a common trick played by them to force owners to buy stuff from their shop and make money on it.. Motul better than Yamalube.. Yamalube is now manufactured locally in India as per JASO MA standards.. Motul comes imported from France and is marketed and distributed in India.
Very important thing to keep in mind is not to ride FZ near the red line for extremely long distance... The engine because of short gearing by nature will go through a lot of stress and hence, not recommended.. some of the riders who had pushed their respective rides to redline for a very long time have witnessed busted valve seals, warped piston rings and catastrophic engine oil consumption... modulate the throttle and in between give her a belting all the way to the red line (close to 9000 rpm) for a short duration and keep the revs under 7500 rpm to 8000 max throughout the journey.. You can do non stop ride of 700 kms in a day without giving her a break.. the FE figures will also depend on how you ride her.
Cheers,Last edited by shv18; 07-28-2012, 02:11 AM.A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P
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You can opt for Osram NightBreakers,a bit pricy though....Originally posted by uddiptocse View Postanother thing important to me.the light section i installed a angel eye in stock battery.
now and the parking lamp is replaced with led.now if i want better light then what to do except HID and projecter?
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Hi TSOriginally posted by uddiptocse View Postas i am planning to ride a 355+355(up & down) so i am little bit confused. my odo still now not 2k so if i use SS or FS for this engine will it make trouble later or i'll stick to 20w40 minarel grade for this..
Even my bike is just as new as yours only 920 odd kms on ODO. Did two oil changes till now 250, 550 and will drain out next on 1000 kms ODO.
I think you should stick to Mineral oil till 5000k ODO so that you can have check on the oil level.
I'd be changing on 1000 kms, 2000 kms, 3500 kms and at 5000 kms I will be pouring SS oil and I'm planning SS oil for say till 15k kms then I'd be getting into FS only if I'm less satisfied with SS. Till 5000 kms I'd be on mineral.
Try Motul 4T 20w 40 mineral oil as suggested by shv18.
I hope you have been riding her without ripping during engine break-in period. That's important part of your bike's engine life.
Set some goals by yourself that you won't be doing this or that (I mean with speed) till so and so kms so that you can have a control on yourself.
Anyways these days riding above 50 is an offence. Today I was just building the tolerance of the bike by giving short bursts of 80 km/hr (touching 6k RPM). Luckily the short burst escaped a speed camera, there was a honda unicorn guy with his wife arguing with the policeman. My gosh I was like
, didn't know how I escaped speed camera.
It's better you don't give too much load on your babe, if at all you have enough cash to rebuild the engine afresh. FZ-16 is a very nice cruiser. Really I feel driving a volvo bus when riding FZ-16 with its streamlined acceleration.
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ya.but you know I also don't ride above 50 but today I just gave her a smooth acceleration to 7.5-8 k rpm because today svc guys told me to accelerate smoothly as today I had a service ..it was 106KMPH..too smooth.. just for few seconds..(15-20) awesome experience....Originally posted by jonahmano View PostHi TS
Even my bike is just as new as yours only 920 odd kms on ODO. Did two oil changes till now 250, 550 and will drain out next on 1000 kms ODO.
I think you should stick to Mineral oil till 5000k ODO so that you can have check on the oil level.
I'd be changing on 1000 kms, 2000 kms, 3500 kms and at 5000 kms I will be pouring SS oil and I'm planning SS oil for say till 15k kms then I'd be getting into FS only if I'm less satisfied with SS. Till 5000 kms I'd be on mineral.
Try Motul 4T 20w 40 mineral oil as suggested by shv18.
I hope you have been riding her without ripping during engine break-in period. That's important part of your bike's engine life.
Set some goals by yourself that you won't be doing this or that (I mean with speed) till so and so kms so that you can have a control on yourself.
Anyways these days riding above 50 is an offence. Today I was just building the tolerance of the bike by giving short bursts of 80 km/hr (touching 6k RPM). Luckily the short burst escaped a speed camera, there was a honda unicorn guy with his wife arguing with the policeman. My gosh I was like
, didn't know how I escaped speed camera.
It's better you don't give too much load on your babe, if at all you have enough cash to rebuild the engine afresh. FZ-16 is a very nice cruiser. Really I feel driving a volvo bus when riding FZ-16 with its streamlined acceleration.
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@ jonahmano,
you can go upto 6k rpm on lower gears also this can eliminate overspeeding. Though cops still may think you're overspeeding because of higher exhaust sound.
Safe bet is to go on empty roads/highways.
@ uddiptocse,
15-20 sec at around 8k rpm sounds too much, better keep that kind of speed bursts limited to 10 seconds.
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Thank you but I'm a speed guy and very well excelled in escaping speed cameras.Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post@ jonahmano,
you can go upto 6k rpm on lower gears also this can eliminate overspeeding. Though cops still may think you're overspeeding because of higher exhaust sound.
Safe bet is to go on empty roads/highways.
@ uddiptocse,
15-20 sec at around 8k rpm sounds too much, better keep that kind of speed bursts limited to 10 seconds.
My speeds on car is 100-140km/hr
And I do speeds of 60-110 km/hr on bikes which I have ridden till now.
Just waiting to finish the run-in period and will do full paisa vasool of 82 k OTRLast edited by jonahmano; 07-29-2012, 07:41 PM.
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ya i know, resisting oneself is not the feel good thing but it pays for it latter. And yes, 'varying rpm' is the funda.Originally posted by uddiptocse View Postthank u but..in that kind of way i bet also can't resist yourself..i was varying rpm 7.5 to 8 k
lol so you are the speed guy! Plz do tell me the tricks for escaping speed cams & gunsOriginally posted by jonahmano View PostThank you but I'm a speed guy and very well excelled in escaping speed cameras.
My speeds on car is 100-140km/hr
And I do speeds of 60-110 km/hr on bikes which I have ridden till now.
Just waiting to finish the run-in period and will do full paisa vasool of 82 k OTR
I may need it too.
And stay safe whatever you do
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