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All the very best for your mods, but remember you always run a risk of lower reliability unless YOU know what you are doing to our bike.

On the bold part of the quoted post, since you are a noob in bike mods, I would suggest complete the Leh trip first before going for major mods. you want a super reliable engine in the harsh conditions up there. Last thing you would want is a blown up engine in the middle of nowhere..

All the best

Cheers

Ride your bike stock, stay away from modds even an K&N or Iridium plug. If you Don't know about Modds then Don't buy trouble in the form of modds.

+ A Million.

@OP, Nothing beats stock when it comes to reliability.
Reason being the other parts are made by the manufacturer with respect to the torque rating of the bike.

I differ on this. I am currently running a Joeled 220 Setup for almost more than a year (more than 10,000 Kms). I have done quite a lot long tours on this setup.
And, I must say, Joels Mods are very Reliable.
Infact, some of the issues that I had before (cold start, tappet noise etc) were all gone after getting the setup from Joel.
Not only me there are many others I know who are running Joels setup for a very long time with no reliability issues.
I would say, if possible gets your Mods done from Joel himself. Call him, fix an appointment and it should be done.
I am a happy customer, and because of this we have planned next level of Mods next week which includes 230CC block Piston, new intake, new carb, Simota Air filter, stiffer clutch springs.

Heres the link to my thread

I dont agree in general to your post. But in your particular case I have no disagreements.

When we say ABC company is unreliable, it does not mean every ABC bike out there is giving problems. It just means the chances of having a problematic product rises. So it is perfectly possible to find a person who has had no problems with the product. You are a happy custommer but there are a few unhappy ones too.

The point is no manufacturer would like to leave an untapped potential in his product.Ideally he would want a perfect mix of performance and reliability. If he has done that, then there has to be reasons.

I ll take an example. Suppose there is a crane which is designed to lift 100 tonnes. Does it mean it can lift only 100 tonnes? No. Infact it would be tested at a higher load say 1.2-1.5 times and then certified as 100 tonnes to increase the factor of safety. Give a buffer. You may very well lift 110 tonnes with it, but it would be way less reliable than lifting 100 tonnes.

Similarly every part of a bike is designed with a factor of safety and each is matched with the bikes capability. By modifying an engine tuned to give 20 bhp, thereby increasing the output to say 23 Bhp, we are playing with this factor of safety. Thats where the loss of reliablility comes in.

That does not mean you should nt modify your bike. You may, but you should know what limits you are playing with. Talented tuners like Joel must be well aware of what the limits are of a bike and would be taking decisions based on that, but as a bike owner and somebody who is going to use it, one should be aware of the fact that you reliability has taken a hit unless you have gone and upgraded each and every part. I would again repeat, it does NOT mean every bike out there which is modified has problems, nor does it mean if you modify your bike you ll defenitely face problems, its just that the probability increases. You may be plain unlucky to fall on the wrong side of the probability.
Understand that, acknowledge it, and more importantly know what you are doing to YOUR bike and how it affects it, you would be happy. Else at the first sign of trouble one will start cursing the day he decided to undertake the mods.

To the thread starter: not starting another argument about pro Joel and Anti Joel thread again and purely based on your query; yes Joel Products are reliable and good provided they have been installed correctly and the instructions are followed to the T.. Three people from Yamaha FZ ownership have already started the process of getting installed BB kit and other RC parts in a month or two, Rylan already has a thread on the same. You can also check the thread of FZ related mods and tuning to pit stop and general biking discussion or perhaps Mods can merge this thread with that so that other experts can fill in.

8 more boys that i know of in Mumbai have fully souped up Joelled rides including Abhimanyu31's R16, R170, JoelKraju's Pulsar and others who are not from xbhp. All the set ups are running fine and haven't given any problems.

If you intend to get the kits installed:

1) Ideally get it done from Joel himself as he can tune your ride as per your requirement and nothing beats letting the Race engineer with track experience tune your ride.
2) Keep extra days in hand when you go to his workshop i.e. Day1: installation, Day 2: riding around, Day 3: more riding and completing atleast 200-400 kms on the odo, Day 4: meeting Joel again and see if there are any minute tuning that might needed as per your feedback any checks if at all anything is needed.
3) Follow the run-in instructions properly and maintain regular servicing.
4) Not being another case of riders who feel that just because they have a race piston and a performance block installed, one can ride his souped up ride all day long on the red line for extremely long distances: engine's life will go down just as it would on stock: simple physics of metal fatigue.
5) Change the front chain sprocket to 15T for better highway cruise-ability

If reaching Joel's workshop to get your ride tuned is an issue then the mechanic whom you intend to get the parts installed must have a know how of opening up and re-installing 4 stroke engines and proper tools to get the job done.

The stock Fazer/FZ will give you problems once you hit high altitude at leh where the bikes suffer from Altitude sickness being carbed bike in nature.

FZ is kinda under powered for Leh.. not that you can't make it there but yes you will feel the loss in power as you start your ascent to higher altitudes..

These mods will definitely help with the add-on FE and power.


Cheers,

the risks are very well explained by vibbs. plz read it and understand completely, before going in for mods.

next, if you do want to go ahead, plz follow these--


get it done by joel himself, and don't be in a hurry, as there were some instances where the mods were installed by some other mechanic incorrectly and created problems later.

get it done by the master himself, stay there for few days, ride around in city.

then come back to your city.

Thank you for all the replies !

I am still confused weather to get it or no
mixed comments are there , so confused even more
Also , keeping in mind that my knowledge about bikes is fairly low , i think i shouldnt try all these things with it , maybe after i learn some more about bikes i could give it a though .. Or do you all think that this is the only way i will learn more about bikes-by experimenting ....

Just one more question ,
Can it give me really major issue like an engine seize ? or thats not possible ?
Cause im pretty scared of that

Again , thank you for all the replies , i appreciate it much !

Best thing IMO is to learn a bit about the bike. You can always learn by trial and error method but be prepared to write off the bike as a bad investment if anything goes wrong.
Most important point as prince mentioned get it done by Joel himself. there is noway you can trust your local mechanic s ability to carry out the modds.

Very much a possibility. Read harishk's thread on how modds on his R15 went. Please understand I m not undermining anyones talent here. I m just saying that modding your bike comes with a risk, more so if you know nothing about it. Either learn, look around before attempting these or be prepared if something goes wrong.

As they say hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.

Manufacturers are always forced to compromise on potential(performance and efficiency) to meet today's stricter emission norms and user friendliness. For example the new cbr150r has to incorporate newer catcon resulting in 1 bhp dip and 1 kg bump. Even a performance tuned FFE for Fz can do wonders by boosting:- power, engine life (lessens back pressure and there by limiting exhaust gases entering the combustion chamber resulting less carbon deposits there), FE & better weight-power ratio!
And yes mods has to be taken care of.

Please take a look at the opening post and see what the thread starter wants to do with his bike. It is not a simple performance tuned FFE that he has in his mind but a 180 cc block for his Bike.
quoting it for you
In either case, I ve made it pretty clear that the intention of my post is not to admonish modds, but accept and realise that it comes with a risk, however small it may be and know it clearly what you are doing with your bike and then proceed. That way you will be in a position to care for your modded bikes too.

^^^I had actually quoted for which I have answered!

Thank you vibbs ,and others for enlightening me

I have decided to research a bit more before doing this , i think i might just go meet joel and see what he has to say also .. I live in the same city , so no issues ...
Once i get this this mod and the bike works fine for 5-6k kms , the risk of it getting seized is still there or we shouldnt worry about it after that long ?

Sorry for noob questions guy ,
Thank you all , again