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  • #1

    My next chain-sprocket set.

    Guys.,

    I own a 10 month old CBR150R and had done 10k kms.

    I used to lube my chain every 500kms with TVS chain lube (can't source any other brands)
    and clean it with kerosene and lube it every 1500-2000kms.

    Last week, my chain slack got increased and I went to the ASC to get it corrected.
    And, once done., they said its almost time to replace the set.
    I was shocked. with just 10k kms, it needs replacement!!

    The chain on my bike is a normal type master link chain.
    (or is it a O-ring., How to find that??)
    Out of the 10k kms on my odo almost 90% was on highways at speeds ~100kmph.
    I usually shift at 7-9k RPM, even with town limits, (I like the feel to rev hard)
    and you can very well say I'll be on the higher range of RPMs most of the time.

    All that said.,

    Is it okay for a
    open, normal (non o-ring or something like that) chain to wear out this quickly??

    Also, my rear sprocket has worn off, it seems.
    The chain is not a tight fit into the sprocket. It gives a 1or2 mm movement horizontally over the sprocket.
    Is this a sign of poor maintenance and that I should take more care in future??

    And also., as it is now time to opt for the next set of chain and sprocket.,
    Shall I go with the existing type or will it do any good opting for O-type (a type i learned to exist, from google) ??
    Also, heard that this O-ring chain is pretty costlier than a normal one., is it worth it?

    And if opting for a O-ring chain., can I just get a chain from a source and use it on the Honda's sprocket.? (Won't the chain differ in dimensions)

    I look forward to all you guys for the answers!
    Pardon me, if any questions are noob.. for, am just a technical rookie.
    The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

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    • #3
      If you are replacing chain or sprocket , go for ROLON OR DIAMOND , they are best makers of chain set . Also use sae90 grade oil for lubing , i guess you already know that .
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      • #4
        Originally posted by RohIIT View Post
        If you are replacing chain or sprocket , go for ROLON OR DIAMOND , they are best makers of chain set . Also use sae90 grade oil for lubing , i guess you already know that .
        Must we use 90 grade oil if we have chain spray?Oil is much cheaper,I would be happy to use it on my RTR 180.FYI,I am using oil on my splendor.
        ROLON OR DIAMOND makes chain+sprocket for every bikes?What are the advantages,cost compared to stock?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
          I look forward to all you guys for the answers!
          Pardon me, if any questions are noob.. for, am just a technical rookie.
          Rolon or Diamond, as suggested by rohiit are the best bet.
          As for chains, a good resource @ The Complete Guide to Chain

          O-ring ones are better but are more prone to wear-&-tear too & need scheduled cleaning / lube etc. Just FYI, all Pulsar's & Avenger's are on O-rings.
          Last edited by whymail; 04-07-2013, 11:42 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by whymail View Post
            O-ring ones are better but are more prone to wear-&-tear too & need scheduled cleaning / lube etc. Just FYI, all Pulsar's & Avenger's are on O-rings.
            If more wear and tear means that O-Ring chain on my bike lasts ~25k km per set (instead of 10k in this case), I would definitely vote for O-Ring
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            • #7
              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
              If more wear and tear means that O-Ring chain on my bike lasts ~25k km per set (instead of 10k in this case), I would definitely vote for O-Ring
              Well even mine lasted around 20k with not much loooking after. Rode it with no or less lubrication over extend periond and still stood 20k. Afterall we use rolon chains and they are indeed of great quality.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RohIIT View Post
                If you are replacing chain or sprocket , go for ROLON OR DIAMOND , they are best makers of chain set . Also use sae90 grade oil for lubing , i guess you already know that .
                Thanks for that pointer rohiit.

                Originally posted by whymail View Post
                Rolon or Diamond, as suggested by rohiit are the best bet.
                As for chains, a good resource @ The Complete Guide to Chain

                O-ring ones are better but are more prone to wear-&-tear too & need scheduled cleaning / lube etc. Just FYI, all Pulsar's & Avenger's are on O-rings.
                Thanks for that link.
                Any idea of bikes that use normal chain., so that we could get a more clear idea of its wear time.??

                Originally posted by albyjose View Post
                Must we use 90 grade oil if we have chain spray?Oil is much cheaper,I would be happy to use it on my RTR 180.FYI,I am using oil on my splendor.
                ROLON OR DIAMOND makes chain+sprocket for every bikes?What are the advantages,cost compared to stock?
                I have planned to try oil with the next set., whatever it may be.
                But., what if the cost of a O-ring is thrice or more than a normal chain (heard, it is)
                and it lasts only double the distance., that's kinda pointless., right??
                The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

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                • #9
                  Must we use 90 grade oil if we have chain spray?Oil is much cheaper,I would be happy to use it on my RTR 180.FYI,I am using oil on my splendor.ROLON OR DIAMOND makes chain+sprocket for every bikes?Whatare the advantages,cost compared to stock?
                  Chain lube spray are good and handy for a quick clean , they have a degreaser and a oil in same can , 90 grade oil is recommended by many companies for lubing chain and foam type air filters , 90grade oil is quite viscous and sticks to chain very effectively , mine splendor's chain was never cleaned but still lasted for 30k , so rolon and diamond are real good , stock chains are supplied by rolon or diamond or its of their own make e.g hero has its own chain which is not of good quality as compared to above two brands , i use kerosene to clean the chain and lube it with castrol gl-4 90 grade oil , the chain performs real good and vibrations are dampened .
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                  • #10
                    10k is too less a mileage for worn off sprockets. It can be attributed to high revs but even that being the case, I'd expect it to last at least 15k.

                    My OE chain sprockets lasted 18k, out of which I never cared lubing for the first 10k odd kms. I learnt riding on my bike, hence a lot of newbie errors were committed on this very bike.
                    Later, sourced ROLON set and have been lubing it every 300-400 kms.

                    I'm not sure if DIAMOND makes CBR's set, but ROLON does.

                    BTW, my bike has a normal chain, not O-ring.
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                    • #11
                      I have planned to try oil with the next set., whatever it may be.But., what if the cost of a O-ring is thrice or more than a normal chain (heard, it is)and it lasts only double the distance.,that's kinda pointless., right??
                      O RING chains are generally provided on those bikes which run half chain , they are bit more resistant too wear and tear as compared to normal x ring chains , but they are a mechanical power transmission component after all and not lubing or jerking it (wheelies or stunts ) drastically drops its life , so lubing it is as necessary as filling ur bike with petrol .
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                        If more wear and tear means that O-Ring chain on my bike lasts ~25k km per set (instead of 10k in this case), I would definitely vote for O-Ring
                        LOL! being a bit too greedy aint we? ;-)
                        the o-rings usually last approx 1.5 times more & sustain better in terms of retaining the original slack.
                        but taking it from 10k to 25k is trying to be too ambitious i.m.h.o. :-)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

                          I'm not sure if DIAMOND makes CBR's set, but ROLON does.

                          BTW, my bike has a normal chain, not O-ring.
                          Thanks for that headsup.
                          'll look out for Rolon.

                          Everyone, saying that their chain set lasted to ~15k atleast.
                          I wonder what's wrong with mine to wear out too earlier.
                          The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

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                          • #14
                            My duke's chainset went off at 11000km mark. Weird after regular lubricating and cleaning except few 2/3 cases where i may have used dry for a while for few 60/70kms max.
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                            • #15
                              O-ring chains do not need any lubrication per se for their lifetime . The o-rings are there for just that - so that the superior factory filled grease is sealed in inside the pins and bush (where most of the chain wear occurs) and stays there . 25k kms is not unreasonable for it's lifetime . Only maintenance it needs is a light cleaning and a light lubricant , just to keep the rubber o-rings supple and prevent them wearing and cracking .
                              Don't overdo the cleaning and lubrication things with o-ring chains . Never clean them too vigorously or brush them hard or drench them in solvent like petrol etc or let them pressure wash it at service center . The problem in doing these is that you can easily scrub up and damage/deform the soft rubber o-rings , or work in the dirt/water past the rings into the sealed area and dilute, contaminate or remove the factory grease . Another problem is that not all local/service mechanics are aware of the special care to be taken while servicing bikes with uncovered o-ring chains - and continue to do stupid things like using a wire brush to clean it ( I have actually seen this) . Loosing even one of the rings means that that particular link shall wear very rapidly and require you to replace the entire chain . No need for heavy lube like SAE90 gear oil too . The stickier the lube you use , the more grit shall stick on to the rubber o-rings (particularly on an uncovered chain) and cause them to wear by abrasion .
                              The downside to o-ring chains is those rubber rings introduce a little drag into the drive train .
                              Last edited by Pinaki; 04-09-2013, 02:53 AM.

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