K&N would ruin the bike too, but slowly.

was on mobile hence could not explain in detail.. of course @Divya Sharan helped me out of it

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Riding the bike stock will keep the bike safe and harmless... whats the point in gaining a speed of 1-3 kmph which can harm your bike?? hope you can feel what I am trying to say... a stock bike can any time beat the hotrodded bikes in terms of reliability.. you won't have to worry about when your engine is going to blow off or when its going to give up on you

But again.. if you are going for KnN, you will have to upjet your carb.. meaning bigger jets.. bigger jets lead in draining more fuel.. more fuel drained means your FE will be in loss.. again.. upjetting used to be more like a trial error.. maybe now you will get the proper jets for the carb.. but 4 years back.. it was all trial error.. if you don't do upjetting.. your bike on higher RPM will be running out of breathe.. and trust me.. the KnN filter sound will be admired by you only for a max of 1 year.. and you will start hating the sound.. and you will want to fit the old filters back.. and doing all this.. what is the power you gain?? very negligible.. if you want to make you use of the KnN. you should go for the Free Flow Exhaust.. which is illegal in India.. so think wise.. save your bike from going to hell..

Just one question to you and those who want to modify their beasts..

would you like it if someone removes your small and large intestines and fix in a bigger ones so that you eat more?? or remove your kidneys and put in some other kidney just so that your blood gets filtered just a bit more?? I mean.. yeah.. it would be fine.. but the pain you will have to go through when you do such things..

Just a thought to think about.. Leave your bikes stock and ride them happily.. they will be loyal to you and won't abandon you.. If you know what i mean..

I am really confused when it comes to fitting a K&N filter, that's the reason I have been postponing on whether to fit a K&N filter or not. . . My Unicorn has covered almost 45k and does still harm the engine if I give it a new fresh filter for it at this stage. . ?

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I have been thinking of this from quite some time now and have been reading many reviews, asking some people who have fit K&N for their bikes as I also want something more at this point but don't want to cause damage to my engine, it should be something there. . . What about Universal filters like RC1060, everyone says it's a good one and does not need that much carb tuning, . ? In many reviews which I have read, some say K&N is very good and does not harm your engine and I also won't rev the bike too hard, I maintain the bike softly and keep changing gears between 5-6 rpm and few times I rev it up near to it's red line. . . Is it still not safe for my bike as my bike has already covered around 45k kms and I will agree if I want something more than excess like other than this universal filter if I go for some other filter, it'll damage my bike's engine. . . So what are all your views now, should I go for it or not. . ? As almost the suggestions are like 50/50, so what are your opinion ???

Cheers!!!

I am really confused when it comes to fitting a K&N filter, that's the reason I have been postponing on whether to fit a K&N filter or not. . . My Unicorn has covered almost 45k and does still harm the engine if I give it a new fresh filter for it at this stage. . ?

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I have been thinking of this from quite some time now and have been reading many reviews, asking some people who have fit K&N for their bikes as I also want something more at this point but don't want to cause damage to my engine, it should be something there. . . What about Universal filters like RC1060, everyone says it's a good one and does not need that much carb tuning, . ? In many reviews which I have read, some say K&N is very good and does not harm your engine and I also won't rev the bike too hard, I maintain the bike softly and keep changing gears between 5-6 rpm and few times I rev it up near to it's red line. . . Is it still not safe for my bike as my bike has already covered around 45k kms and I will agree if I want something more than excess like other than this universal filter if I go for some other filter, it'll damage my bike's engine. . . So what are all your views now, should I go for it or not. . ? As almost the suggestions are like 50/50, so what are your opinion ???

Cheers!!!

Ok, tell me one thing. Why're you going for an aftermarket filter? Because you're already aware that it does no good to the engine or improve performance drastically. Is it just for the sound?
Moreover, I'm not sure if K&N has a dedicated filter for any Indian bike except P220, you'll have to put in a universal filter only.

In that case, you should be spending more time talking with the guys at race concepts (because of your belief in them)
you are better off getting the answers directly from race concepts.. than a few responses from guys here

@X-hawk what was the pricing list for a 165cc bore for the unicorn offered at Raceconcepts and what are the other stuff you'll be getting along with it, like exhaust, air filter??? Please let me know ASAP. . . BTW jus GET SOME OTHER BIKE for more power and I think you do nothing but spoil your bike if you do too much modification, , , Remember, anything done too much looks bad and doesn't last long, so just go for the next upgrade of 165cc or if you are a speed freak, just go for some other bike. . . If you need costume upgrades, I can give you some ideas but don't know too much in detail about performance upgrade. . .

Cheers!!!

@X-hawk what was the pricing list for a 165cc bore for the unicorn offered at Raceconcepts and what are the other stuff you'll be getting along with it, like exhaust, air filter??? Please let me know ASAP. . . BTW jus GET SOME OTHER BIKE for more power and I think you do nothing but spoil your bike if you do too much modification, , , Remember, anything done too much looks bad and doesn't last long, so just go for the next upgrade of 165cc or if you are a speed freak, just go for some other bike. . . If you need costume upgrades, I can give you some ideas but don't know too much in detail about performance upgrade. . .

Cheers!!!

.....NB: I dont need lame response like "why dont buy a new CBR"..Because I believe in ...

Finally, you'd need a bigger carburetor to account for the extra fuel/air flowing in!

After all of this, the problem of TPS (Throtte Position Sensor????) would exist in most bikes and you may have to do a jugaad to fit it onto the new carb.

All said and done, you'd need to pay a visit to your mech more often because more often that not, hot rodded bikes run over the threshold limit of tolerance they were designed for.

Hi buddy, I have a Dazzler so you will agree that we have the same engine per se apart from a few differences (like the more aggressive higher lift cam shaft that dazzler has).
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Better acceleration and top end power - True
Stock Like Reliability - Bullshit
Enhanced Fuel Efficiency - False (How the hell can you create more power from same amount of petrol? It is absurd. Sure some will claim its because of better combustion profile and all but that has not been my experience. On the plus side - No drop in fuel efficiency - it will stay the same).
Mod is Plug and Play - Technically - yes, practically - utter bullshit.

Extremevirus who has the fastest Dazzler in the country (0-60 in 3.5 sec, 0-100 in 9 sec) has done extensive mods totaling more than price of the bike itself and yet his bike has probably suffered in the reliability department. Blowing Rs10,000 on big bore will get you some satisfaction, but not what you have cooked in your head.
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And please do not cite examples of modded CBZ, Ghost Apache and stuff. Those bike have been under the expert hands of Joel for ages. Most likely your bike will be touched by Joel for a day max.
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Please do proper research before taking any step.

you should take a look at this and find yourself how far better is this modded thing than its stock friend..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

We have the 165cc bigbore upgrade for the Honda engine.
Costs 5500.
Comes with a new block, piston, rings, pin and locks.
Its a plug and play.
Will help you improve power and mileage by over 12%.

Will give u massive gains in torque and ensure timeless reliability as offered by raceconcepts.

12% increase in power? And in mileage too? Timeless reliability? Alright if you believe so much, why don't you go and get those mods and post your experience of it? All I can say is that you are in for a big surprise. Go ahead with your plan

stock unicorn costs 76k
cost of mods = 5500 BB kit, 7000 ? exhaust, 3000 ? other parts like clutch springs,cams etc.. = total 16k
TOTAL cost = 92k

if you think spending 92k on a unicorn is more powerful, reliable & sensible than going in for a stock rtr180 or p220 that cost almost the same or lower(rtr) with more power and stock reliability backed by manufacturer warranty, pls go ahead.

Like i said.. for those who have the 'utter confidence and faith' in RC, please go ahead.. but you must be spending more time talking with them to get your mods done right.
I am not against RC or anything... but one thing you could do is spend less money and get a second hand uni and put in this extra money to make it 'more powerful'.. that way the overall costs work out cheaper with the so called 'timeless reliability' mentioned by X-hawk.

hehe....thats awful...but if u could believe or not...oversize unicorn is a damn faster bike than RTR..apache is track friendly thats all...

Yoda Says: Problem in Attitude I see, my young Padawan :P



You mentioned the complete vicious cycle of Hot rodding in a few statements..
And the one's i quoted above are indeed the biggest Pain In the Ass



True That Brother.. The True / False / Bullshit bifurcation is indeed true.
Reliability is what I have lost completely. But yes, for those who love performance / hot rodding.. well, we don't stop..
185cc Bore arrives in a few days *Conditions Apply: That is if Joel decides to send it.. The eternal wait.!!



As Plasmabhai said in his post.. you seriously cant consider those machines. You can try re-creating Mona-Lisa.. but she will end up being Mona Darling and not MonaLisa..
P.J's & Sarcasm apart, Time spent by Joel, on the machines that Plasmabhai mentioned, well.. there wouldn't be any count to it. Those are his carved beauties
Plus, the OLD CBZ.. was something totally different all together so.. leave the classic out & don't compare our nimble machines to it

and about going 200cc BB.. ya.. they are available. infact 230cc is available for the CB series engines that we use. But,
1) You would spend 45% of the bike's cost to buy that kit :P
2) India is Hot & Humid as hell. that kit would suffer more than a Alaskan tourist visiting India in Summer.
3) The kit would last for 'x' Kms, where x < most of the long triplogs on Xbhp.
4) At last but not the least. Incase your kit fails, you really can't go to US / Indonesia to get a refund :P

If you want to Mod it, as EVERY Xbhpian would say. Read, Research, Learn & Implement
Feel free to refer to my post & ask anything you feel.

P.S: Lack of knowledge is not mocked in Xbhp, you will be taught. My suggestion: Begin with Humility not Attitude

Yoda Says: Problem in Attitude I see, my young Padawan :P



You mentioned the complete vicious cycle of Hot rodding in a few statements..
And the one's i quoted above are indeed the biggest Pain In the Ass



True That Brother.. The True / False / Bullshit bifurcation is indeed true.
Reliability is what I have lost completely. But yes, for those who love performance / hot rodding.. well, we don't stop..
185cc Bore arrives in a few days *Conditions Apply: That is if Joel decides to send it.. The eternal wait.!!



As Plasmabhai said in his post.. you seriously cant consider those machines. You can try re-creating Mona-Lisa.. but she will end up being Mona Darling and not MonaLisa..
P.J's & Sarcasm apart, Time spent by Joel, on the machines that Plasmabhai mentioned, well.. there wouldn't be any count to it. Those are his carved beauties
Plus, the OLD CBZ.. was something totally different all together so.. leave the classic out & don't compare our nimble machines to it

and about going 200cc BB.. ya.. they are available. infact 230cc is available for the CB series engines that we use. But,
1) You would spend 45% of the bike's cost to buy that kit :P
2) India is Hot & Humid as hell. that kit would suffer more than a Alaskan tourist visiting India in Summer.
3) The kit would last for 'x' Kms, where x < most of the long triplogs on Xbhp.
4) At last but not the least. Incase your kit fails, you really can't go to US / Indonesia to get a refund :P

If you want to Mod it, as EVERY Xbhpian would say. Read, Research, Learn & Implement
Feel free to refer to my post & ask anything you feel.

P.S: Lack of knowledge is not mocked in Xbhp, you will be taught. My suggestion: Begin with Humility not Attitude

Oversize unicorn is damn faster?? well.. let us consider it that way.. But do you think its going to be faster through out its life with the oversize?? I don't think so.. I would go for a RTR 180 ABS any time over the oversize unicorn.. and if I want a faster bike.. i would spend another 30K and go for the Duke 200 which is going to be a new bike and reliable and better looking..