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  • HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

    Hi Bikers,

    This is my first post in this forum, hoping my fellow bikers will help me. I should confess first that im a complete illiterate in biking or its mechanical problems. Because of this many times i have been cheated by local mechanics. I hope atleast here i will get correct info regarding my problem,

    Bike Details:

    Hero Honda Karizma R

    Mfg Date : July 2012.

    Kms clocked till now : 13,100+




    Now coming to my problem is, Air Lock ( Please don't say its a common problem ,because i have gone through the whole forum regarding this and i have tried all sorts of workarounds , like opening fuel lid, blowing air through it. But none of them helped me

    --> I have Changed my spark plug and Air filter Element at my 5th SVC, since then i'm facing this airlock problem.
    ---> If my bike was left unused for a day or two and start it , it will initially start . but after driving for 1-2 minutes. It stalls and never start.
    ---> I tried work around like opening the fuel lid, opening the seat cover, shake the bike a little when fuel lid is open ,none of them worked.
    ----> Only after leaving the bike for 20-30 minutes , it will start again.( This happens generally when i start to office and eventually i get late to office) :-(


    when i showed it to a local mechanic, he said the Engine head may be clogged with Carbon and that's the reason the valves have been blocked. But in HH service center they are saying we need to check and look what all parts needs to be replaced. they must be done.(
    usually the HH service centers in Hyderabad are so worst that they don't even tight the brakes when serviced)

    Please somebody suggest me exactly whats the root cause for the problem and how to solve it

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

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    • #3
      Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

      Carburettor slide/diaphragm stuck? Get these checked.
      Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
      Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

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      • #4
        Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

        According to me, it must one of these problems,
        1. Fuel tap. . .
        2. Fuel pipe. . .
        3. Diaphragm. . .
        4. Clogged air screw probably in the carb, try getting the carb cleaned once and tune it properly and it should work IMO. . .
        5. Timer, err no much knowledge about this, but may be others can elaborate this but I have heard from my mechanic that if the timer is not set properly, stalling and other things happen. . .

        (PS: Can't exactly say but it might be something related to the above mentioned points)

        Cheers!!!
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        • #5
          Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

          Rohitnethula,....where are you from ? Check and change the spark plug,I think you have Champion plug which may be failing,....check and change the plug cap and check it's connection to the plug cap...
          When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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          • #6
            Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

            Check ignition coil. And I recommend a carb overhaul.
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            • #7
              Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

              Since you mentioned about service centers in hyderabad, i assume you are from hyderabad. If so, pls get in touch with @shoeb2015 (he is active on the splendor thread) and he should be able to guide you to a helpful Hero service station in hyderabad. It definitely does require an hour or so to check the various suspicions before coming to a conclusion.
              I highly suspect the carb or blockage in the fuel tank/petcock or maybe electrical issues
              btw.. you bike is just over an year old, don't you have warranty ? Did you not service it at the ASC regularly ?
              Last edited by s1d; 09-11-2013, 08:33 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                PSR sir,

                Im from Hyderabad.
                Im not sure about what plug is in. but i replaced the old plug with a new one at HH service center on August 28th 2013. Well, its my 5th Servicing. Since then im facing this issue.

                ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

                Cleaner,

                Can you please elaborate whats meant by carb over haul. Please excuse me as i have stated earlier, this is my first bike and im completely ignorant about bike mechanics

                ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

                s1d,

                Yes, i still have 2 year manufacturer warranty along with additional 5 Year extended warranty( Hero honda advantage ) . But the problem is HH service center guys here in HYD are so worst and arrogant that while the vehicle is in free SVC, they dont even look about the complaints. Just they change oil, waterwash and deliver the vehicle

                If you still insist on any complaint, then they tell you that some part needs to be replaced. But they never try to figure out how they can solve the problem

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                • #9
                  Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                  Just for my satisfaction.When the bike stalls pull out the fuel pipe from the petrol tap when the bike stalls.the tap must remain open.If the fuel flows then technically it is not a air lock.It may be a over flow.

                  If the fuel flows at the time,Then probably you need to change the float needle and the float.
                  ''09 Hero Honda Splendor
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                  • #10
                    Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                    Originally posted by rohitnethula View Post

                    But the problem is HH service center guys here in HYD are so worst and arrogant that while the vehicle is in free SVC, they dont even look about the complaints. Just they change oil, waterwash and deliver the vehicle

                    If you still insist on any complaint, then they tell you that some part needs to be replaced. But they never try to figure out how they can solve the problem

                    I recommend Karuna Motors (Beside BBR Hospital, Ferozguda) or Vishal Motors (Chintal). Dont ever go towards Bhanu Motors (Moosapet Junction or Erragadda).

                    Check with them.
                    2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                    2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
                    2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                    2013 - KTM 390 Duke
                    2017 - Yamaha FZ25

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                    • #11
                      Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                      I kinda have a feeling that this could be because of water in the fuel tank/carb..

                      did you get the carb checked?? also does the engine get hot ??

                      also check the ignition coil wire.. the ignition coil is located under the tank and there will be a wire connecting it.. the wire could have a loose connection which could be the reason...

                      Cheers,
                      Reneav
                      Splendor - 2k to 2006
                      Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
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                      Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
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                      RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
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                      • #12
                        Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                        [MENTION=63640]rohitnethula[/MENTION]
                        Where do you stay in Hyderabad ? Please get in touch with me by sending me a PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                          Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                          @rohitnethula
                          Where do you stay in Hyderabad ? Please get in touch with me by sending me a PM.
                          Lo! Problem solved!
                          Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                          Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                          Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                          Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                          ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                          P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                          • #14
                            Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                            Hi rreneav1987,

                            I have just tool the vehicle from HH service center, The svc engineer said that he checked everything and didnt find anything wrong.

                            And coming to your questions, Yes i have asked the person to check the carb too and he said he did that. Also my engine does get hot when drove for more than 10-15 kms

                            i can feel the heat near my legs......

                            Why is it not common?

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                            • #15
                              Re: HH Karizma R . air lock problem. ( Please take time to read my thread)

                              Originally posted by rohitnethula View Post
                              Hi rreneav1987,

                              I have just tool the vehicle from HH service center, The svc engineer said that he checked everything and didnt find anything wrong.

                              And coming to your questions, Yes i have asked the person to check the carb too and he said he did that. Also my engine does get hot when drove for more than 10-15 kms

                              i can feel the heat near my legs......

                              Why is it not common?
                              yes.. this is common.. but again it depends.. if you are riding in heavy traffic where you apply clutch, shift gears and apply brakes often.. then the engine tends to heat up..

                              regarding what the service guys say "we have done that".. don't trust them unless they do it right in front of you.. they are culprits..

                              get the tank checked and see if there is any rust or water clogged in the main/reserve knob (or whatever they call it. I don't know )
                              [MENTION=37035]ashwinprakas[/MENTION] and [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION].. your thoughts are needed here guys..
                              Splendor - 2k to 2006
                              Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                              P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                              Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                              ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                              RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                              Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                              RayZ - 2015 til now
                              Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                              Delhi to Narkanda
                              Delhi to Coimbatore
                              Delhi to Nepal

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