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  • [Photo Feature]: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

    Dear Friends,
    Need help! I have modified my bike exhaust with 3 cylinders clubbed together at the mouth of cat con. Prior to that I did this with two cylinders and removed the catcon, which generated enormous sound. henceforth i got it back on the bike, adding one more cylinder. My primary need was cosmetic with little performance upgrade, which i got. The issue Im facing is that burnt gas is not comming out in balanced amount from the three cylinders. Only the top most cylinder which is also linked to main pipe with catcon is getting all the smokes, rest of the cylinders are though active but barely functional during run. How do i balance this issue. Also there is slight poping sound when decelerated, though its not a big deal but if resolved will give better ridding experience.
    Apart from this issue I have installed 3 aux led light with led headlight (refer picture). I want to add two more led aux light below headlight (two aux led light installed above headlight, refer picture). Can I add extra battery or higher capacity battery or will the existing stock battery suffice the load of 15wx4 aux led, 20wx1 led projector & 35w led headlight.
    All advice warmly welcome.
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    Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

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    • #3
      Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

      Where's the left rear view mirror?
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      Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

      Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
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      • #4
        Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

        Any changes in performance of having this type of exhaust, I think its FZ16.

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        • #5
          Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

          I don't wish to demotivate you. But, this mod looks eyesore to me.
          Life is beautiful! * Conditions apply

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            Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

            Originally posted by Chandan92 View Post
            Any changes in performance of having this type of exhaust, I think its FZ16.
            It's a de-restricted free flow types of an exhaust. To obtain any real world performance upgrade, one would have to install performance air filters as well (at the cost of engine life).
            Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
            Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

            Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
            Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
            ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
            P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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            • #7
              Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

              Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
              It's a de-restricted free flow types of an exhaust. To obtain any real world performance upgrade, one would have to install performance air filters as well (at the cost of engine life).
              Yes that was my point just for increasing 0.5 ps power one is messing with engine life and violating environment laws.

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              • #8
                Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                Originally posted by Chandan92 View Post
                Yes that was my point just for increasing 0.5 ps power one is messing with engine life and violating environment laws.
                See, there are 2 ways to it!
                1. Running after numbers. The amount of hp gained. Involves a lot of money to gain even 10% performance gain and requires very professional tools and upgrade parts. Not the dabba parts sold through every Tom Dick and Harry in India.
                2. Running after improving the feel of the vehicle. If there is a flat spot, there are suitable mods to address them. If the rev range needs a little tweak to make riding/driving more enjoyable, that can be done. One spends thousands and yet the overall hp figure may remain the same; but the way that vehicle would move post mods would plaster a permanent smile on one's face.

                Sadly, we mainly opt for #1 and then blame modifications/modders. It's a very well known fact that most mods won't outlast a stock vehicle, but in our country we get such poor products that one can't even run the same number of kms as the amount spent without running into issues.
                Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                  Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                  What did I see
                  Reminds me of starting phase of Powerhouse FZ thread
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                    Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                    Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post
                    What did I see
                    Reminds me of starting phase of Powerhouse FZ thread
                    Was something I wrote made you feel so?
                    Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                    Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                    Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                    Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                    ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                    P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                      Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                      Was something I wrote made you feel so?
                      Nopes, the mod on the fz
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                      • #12
                        Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                        Based on my modest knowledge ... my 2 paisa. Please forgive me and possibly educate if I was wrong.

                        The flow resistance of one large pipe is less than two small pipes of the same cross-sectional area (because there is more wall area in the two small pipes, and it's the boundary layer at these walls that causes the restriction) - this is why multi-cylinder engines have manifolds to joint the various exhaust ports together into single pipes, with the manifolds being just long enough to avoid or achieve undesirable or desirable pressure pulse and gas-ram effects.

                        Given that the valves are already as large as it is possible to achieve the separation into discrete pipes is difficult to achieve without degrading the flow characteristics of the exhaust.

                        Considering the flow of gases, It will be one pipe which will mostly attract the flow of gases based on the exit temperature, pressure and velocity whilst the others pipes will have reduced flow in them under there is enough pressure to cause a flow in them.

                        Now you can play with the pipes and create and 'expansion' before the gases are diverted etc etc ( was termed pulse tuning by tooner - Powerhouse FZ reference ) but. EOD is it worth it. Will there be sufficient back pressure ? Is there a proper inflow of gases ? Is AFR accurate ? Is the damage, money spent worth it ?

                        If you are going for the cosmetic play ... IMHO the tripe pipe setup has failed (sorry :-( ). Maybe something on the lines of exhaust on the MV Augusta Brutale might look better




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                        • #13
                          FZ16 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                          Hello guys,
                          need a help!!
                          Problem 1:
                          I have installed 3 cylinder muffler on my fz16 with active cat-con. The issue I'm facing is during drop of throttle, there is a light poping sound. Also the out going fumes/burnt gas is not equally balanced on all cylinders (refer to the attached picture). Bike performance is much smoother and barely any raise in sound, although it gives heavy bass note(better than stock one). I had done this modification to enhance the pickup as greater amount of burnt gas can exit during throttling (have widened the output mouth of cat-con by 1/2 inch with two cylinders attached together to the main outgoing muffler as branching unit). The top most cylinder exhales the burnt gas, rest of two just blow cold air.
                          Can some body help me, how to balance the equal distribution of burnt gas among all the three cylinders and stop the poping sound as well.

                          Problem 2:
                          I have installed 5 aux led lights; 2 red blinking break 5W led lights at rear, two 20W white spread led light near head light and one 15W long distance task led light on handle bar. apart from this the main headlight (bajaj avenger make) is equiped with 35W led light and audi type strip led for parking light. I have done this work to travel long distance in dark. My question is should I replace my battery with higher capacity or the stock one will suffice the current installation if run all at the time. (refer attached picture)

                          All the modification done on my bike are street legal, if not then can i get it endorsed?

                          Please advice..
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                            Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                            Where's the left rear view mirror?
                            Hi Divya..
                            this is an old picture..Il share the new one as the modification job is still on..Click image for larger version

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                            Originally posted by Chandan92 View Post
                            Any changes in performance of having this type of exhaust, I think its FZ16.
                            Hi Chandan..
                            The performance has changed a lot, a slight in power (only felt when instantly compared with new fzs) but greatly in handling!! A critic of FZ liked the ride after the modification job. Though the modification is not complete yet, but still a lot of riders who took the trial was happy including me. The sound note has changed.. more of bass effect but still almost soundless (can be compared with stock one). The only issue here is the poping sound during deceleration and unbalanced discharge. The alignment has also not been done to right position as more of modification job is yet to be done. In fact there's only 1.75kg of addition to OEM weight of the bike. After tuning the AFR, the emission is also in control. Over all performance is very good.

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                            Originally posted by soundar.d.gr8 View Post
                            I don't wish to demotivate you. But, this mod looks eyesore to me.
                            Dear Soundar,
                            Thanks for your honest opinion.. but its kinda taste i liked it.. its more of my requirement- both functional and cosmetic!!

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                              Re: Yamaha FZ 3 cylinder mufler unbalanced discharge!

                              Originally posted by Chandan92 View Post
                              Yes that was my point just for increasing 0.5 ps power one is messing with engine life and violating environment laws.

                              Hi Chandan/Divya..
                              Good know this.. whereas I know this mod will slightly raise any ps, but yes handling has changed a lot..!! Its more sporty and and delighting to ride than the stock one.. and yes.. with better sound note (sporty/woofy) still under 80 decibels and after tuning the AFR, with standard emission level I don't think its creating any disturbance to the environment. If I would have removed the cat-con it would definitely have violated the norms!!
                              If the burnt gas exhales out easily (better flow with active cat-con) then how come engines being disturbed.. infact the burnt out gas which creates problem has been provided a better route; henceforth it should raise the performance of engine. AFR has be done following standard tuning procedure.
                              If i'm wrong anywhere please guide.

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                              [QUOTE=Divya Sharan;1197563]See, there are 2 ways to it!
                              2. Running after improving the feel of the vehicle. If there is a flat spot, there are suitable mods to address them. If the rev range needs a little tweak to make riding/driving more enjoyable, that can be done. One spends thousands and yet the overall hp figure may remain the same; but the way that vehicle would move post mods would plaster a permanent smile on one's face.

                              Divya,
                              could you please elaborate this.. as what suitable to be done!

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