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    Quote Originally Posted by vishnu.leo View Post
    About the headlamps....I too have the same doubt...Apachians Can we do anything about that... since the bike has done only about 1.8k Kms i cant go in for an HID or projector setup right???
    HIDs without projector and above 4300k is illegal. If your city cop knows this, you would be in trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by shahbaz63 View Post
    And don't go for Projector, It surely will cost you warranty .... Wait for 5 Servicing Vishnu ... as you going I am not surprised that it wont take 1 year for you to void free servicing ... So Wait ....
    Do whatever they will void the warranty even if you get the HID before the warranty is over. Try claiming warranty in any electrical issue and you will know why I am saying this

    Quote Originally Posted by vishnu.leo View Post
    obviously after the warranty period not now. i had a chat with one of the SVC people in CochinTVS while i was there about the lighting. They said i could go for any kind of mods but at the cost of the warranty. but i could go in for an 55w bulb from Osram or so. (he said they might not notice it):P but i am not goin for that anyway..happy to stay with warranty especially with such crappy service out here.
    Yes you can go for Osram , Philips bulbs but yes wait till the warranty is over or compromise with it if you want it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by vivekgautams View Post
    Re-posting..Need some info on this before svc make a fool out of me... SVC claim the clutch plate..
    If so,How much is the replacement clutch plate..??
    Tell them its the stock clutch plate and they need to look into it, but do check the clutch wire's life too. If I remember correctly the price is less than 1k
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    How many apachian from Mumbai/Navi Mumbai/Thane ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantu View Post
    Preferably switch to a semi synthetic oil(Castrol power 1) then switch to Full Synthetic Oils(Motul). Shell Synthetic oil is not a true Full Synthetic oil and I have used it for 8k kms. Even though i didnt rip it didnt last long, it lost its charm after 3.5k kms both times.
    FYI when you use Full synthetic oil reaching that magic no (12k rpm) on tacho becomes difficult.
    Go back in this thread you will find this topic discussed extensively.
    Thanks for the reply
    Sorry for not replying earlier as was out of station.

    Is it safe to buy Engine oils from Shell petrol pumps? will they be genuine ?
    and can i directly start with the Full synthetic oil or should i go for the semi synthetic first and change to full synthetic at the next service ?

    Please suggest

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahbaz63 View Post
    Ultra Shell Advanced afaik...
    Is this Shell Advance AX7 10W40 and the oil you mentioning (Ultra Shell Advanced) the same thing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivekgautams View Post
    If you plan to buy any oil (any product) from J.C road you better learn to differentiate original & counter-fits... look out for castrol counter-fits its is the most common..I think you need to get your bike's engine flushed before shifting to F.S for better performance of oil...
    I m thinking of getting the oil from a Shell petrol pump, and this people stock a lot of different engine oils. so can choose the best one

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    PDI Check List
    First of all congratulations & welcome to the Apache Tribal Club. Before I start go through the owner’s manual thoroughly. We don’t expect you to mug up all the points but its all in good-to-know basis
    Check for scratches on the body parts specially the bulging out plastic parts.
    Check for bents on the alloy and any cuts on the tyres

    Some kms already on the ODO
    Reason for this is they transport the bike from factory to the truck and then from the truck to the showroom, sometimes they need to take the bike to the RTO for registration. In any case anything above 30kms on odo is a question.

    What is the run-in period or engine breaking?
    A brand new engine out of the factory needs to be used in a specific riding guidelines during the first few hours/Kms of its use. The focus of breaking in an engine is on the contact between the piston & rings of the engine and the cylinder.

    How should I run in or carry out engine breaking?
    Follow what is specified in the owner's manual; it says ride carefully & no sudden acceleration (or deceleration) for first 500 Kms. Just follow that!!!

    (There is moto man method too. It depends on rider what he prefers)

    How to check my FE?
    Full tank method...
    1. Fill fuel ONLY upto the level plate (the one you see inside the fuel tank & the fuel gun doesn't go beyond this point)
    2. Reset your Trip meter to 0 (refer owner's manual on how to do it)
    3. Keep riding until the fuel bar starts blinking
    4. When you fill this time, fill it to the same level as mentioned in step 1 & note down the fuel consumption in litres
    5. Note down your trip meter reading & divide it by fuel consumed to get the average fuel consumption (eg if trip meter reads 290 & fuel consumed is 9.14, then the FE is 290/9.14=31.72 Kmpl)
    Reserve to Reserve Method
    1. Reset your trip meter as soon as you hit reserve, turn the knob to reserve and then head to any petrol station, refill with any amount but note down the amount of petrol filled, say x litres. (Yes, you have to reset trip meter as soon as you hit reserve and not after you've got the tank refilled.)
    2. Turn the knob to "main/on" as soon as you've refilled the tank by x litres.
    3. Next time when your bike hit reserve then note down the trip meter reading, say y kms.
    4. The FE is y/x kmpl.

    What's the good startup & shutoff procedure? Can I switch off the bike at signals to save fuel?
    If you care for your bike, then every time you start (not when the engine is operating at optimal temperatures) the engine, allow the engine to idle until the RPM falls down from 2K RPM, it doesn't take even 25 seconds. This will also help to lubricate the internals of the engine which is good; ride like you're breaking in the engine for first 1-2 Kms, by then the engine reaches optimal temperature after that start riding normally (not rip off). Its worth to switch off the engine at signals, if your wait time is more than 15-20 seconds. Stop the engine using the Engine kill switch & allow it remain in the OFF position. Switch to ON 3-5 second before you leave the signal & start the engine.

    Should I get the services done only at the specified intervals or can I get it done earlier/later?
    Read the service intervals carefully; they say every xxx kms or yyy days/month; so which ever falls first is the LAST opportunity. This means, you can get all your services done NOT BEYOND the specified Kms or days. Anything within it is fine. You may also choose to pay for the service (which ofcourse costs barely few hundred). But remember, getting it serviced too often (say like 3K kms) are waste; just get the vehicle serviced when you feel issues like hard gear shifts, loud clanks, engine running rough, too much vibrations. Do not leave any minor issues unattended unless you know repercussions of such issues.


    Can I get my bike's 1st service done before 1000 Kms?
    A. Yes you can; but wait to feel the roughness in engine; getting it done in 100-200 Kms or around 800 Kms are overkill. Getting it done at right time is more important.


    I'm going for my 1st/2nd/3rd service; what all should I keep in mind?
    Have a look at the back of the respective service coupon, it'll give you a fair idea. Its mentioned in the booklet what needs to be changed or replaced Just let the mechanic know if you have any niggles, like fairing rattle, paint peel off from engine/silencer shield, etc & do insist that the issues are written to the job card.

    My run-in is mostly in rain. Does my chain get affected due to this?
    Not much, but still, if you feel the chain is squeaking, then take it to ASC & get the chain lubed or you can do it at your home too. Usually ASC don't charge on such things, but there're instances where they've quoted even ridiculous amounts

    Is it compulsory to change the oil filter for the 1st service?
    A. Yes, it is very important to change to keep the engine clean from finer metal particles from the run-in. If possible change the engine oil & filter once before carrying out the 1000 Kms service, even if you've to pay for the nominal labour charges.
    Whenever you change the grade of the oil change the oil filter

    Can I change the idling speed?
    Yes you can change it. The idling screw is on the left side of your bike. Idle rpm would be 1100-1300rpm. Click here




    Facing Engine knocking technical term "Engine Snatching"
    The issue is with riding style; shift down the gear & the knocking will disapper. Prolonged exposure of the engine to such knocking rides will leave the engine in expensive damage.

    What Engine oil to use?
    As per TVS the grade that is recommended is 10W30. This pic will help you understand the JASO MA standards Image


    When should I change the engine oil?
    As per the owner's manual it is at 1000 Kms; but through collective experience & knowledge it is better to change the engine oil the moment you feel the engine is little rough. Most importantly, you should change the engine oil ONLY when your engine is running at optimal temperature. This means, never change your engine oil when the engine is cold or not been run for quite sometime. Ride the bike for 5-6 Kms atleast & then change the engine oil.

    I hear there're better engine oils like Petronas, Motul, Shell, Castrol…..
    Changing the engine oil will lead you to void the warranty (as per North India Service manager), so think twice. But the answer would be, yes there're superior engine oil made by different manufacturers in the market than TVS TRU4.
    Yes - If you think you want to claim warranty, IF at all there's any expensive damage
    No - If you think you can afford, IF at all there's any expensive damage

    How can I identify if the engine is running rough?
    A. It's easier said than done; for this one has to remember how the engine used to run earlier & keep it on a watch; try to complete the engine break in as soon as possible. The sooner you finish the better you can ride

    So after 1000 Kms can I start riding in 130 Kmph?
    A. Well, its upto one's discretion; for a better, long engine life, always follow the gradual increase/decrease when accelerating/slowing down. Don’t red-line the engine every now and then.

    Will REDLINING harm my engine?
    Anything overdone yes will harm the engine. The number 10-12 Kms is only a ballpark figure; if you're experienced, try to listen to the engine through all senses & you'll notice a minor stress (which is hard to notice generally). That is the moment you'll need to stop the redlining

    Why can't I accelerate beyond certain RPM? Is this normal?
    Perfectly normal. Accelerating beyond certain limit on RPM damages the engine temporarily or permanently & hence manufacturers have identified a safe RPM limit beyond which the rev-limiter cuts off the fuel preventing any damages to the engine. For example I have not seen beyond 9500rpm at 5th gear (What I noticed personally)

    Can I switch to FS engine oil after my first service or is there any specific number of Kms before the change?
    It’s a personal choice, generally as per the gurus one needs to use mineral oil for first 5k kms and then Semi synthetic and Full Synthetic after 10k kms.


    I'm hearing a additional metal like noise from the engine; what should I do?
    Its more or like the noise from tappets, you'll need to check the valve clearance level & miay need to change the SHIM accordingly. Visit your ASC. Please DO NOT keep riding with that sound as it is bound to leave the engine in a expensive damaged in course of time.

    Can I change my ASC anytime during my warranty period?
    Yes. You can check the authorized service centers on the TVS motor website
    After repeatedly reporting the issues my ASC is not resolving my issues. How can I escalate the issue?
    Use the “Contact Us” form on the website, it worked for me. It can be likewise in your case too.

    There is pipe hanging beneath the engine? Should I do anything?
    A crankcase ventilation system is a way for gases to escape in a controlled manner from the crankcase; there's nothing to worry & every motorcycle has this. Just don't worry on this

    I feel there's a hole in my exhaust because I feel the exhaust throw beneath the vehicle in addition to rear
    A. There's a small hole between the exhaust pipe & silencer. This is a provision for water to be vented out incase it gets through the silencer. This is normal.

    What is the air pressure to be maintained on the bike?
    This will answer Image


    I hear a minor tick tick sound after the engine is switched off after every ride. What's the problem?
    Nothing; that's engine contraction sound found in any 4 stroke IC engine

    Are the Gear shift & Brake pedal adjustable?
    A. Get in touch with your ASC for this. If you're a DIY person, then this can be done at home too.

    How good are the paint protectors, Teflon coating? Can I get it done?
    The Teflon that SVC promises is nothing but a polish with wax. Absolute worthless, unless you're getting paint protection film from 3M or Oxford U.K

    Please shed some light on monsoon precautions
    Keep your chain always lubed as open chains are prone to rust
    Keep your ignition, side lock & fuel tank cap always clean by spraying WD40 or equivalent (water repellent + light lube)
    If you're a DIY person, wax the exteriors to repel water to an extent (though it gets dirty)
    Keep your tire pressure checked almost everyday as TVS tyres are well known to slip even in dry tarmac until they reach operational temperature. So in rains, they're more prone to skid.

    K&N Air Filter
    Pros – Haven’t got any honestly except that roaring sound. Although some users say that it works good with free flow exhausts.

    Cons – That roaring sound will be music for only initial days. In our bike the Universal Air Filter can be fitted but for that the box needs to be removed / cut which will make more dust enter into that, and later on which will effect the engine if you are not cleaning the air filter at regular and small intervals. People say that there is a bump in the power, sorry to break the ice, there is nothing, it “feels” like that because of the sound.
    Over this one needs to upjet the main jet which is tedious and risky job.

    Headlight
    RTR 180 (old) has got 35w Halogen bulb (Halonix Brand) and works on 9a.h 12v battery with AC supply. You can use bulbs from Osram or Philips of 35w instead of stock bulb.

    Now coming to HIDs and Projectors-
    First of all let me make it clear any HID above 4300k is illegal. Most of the cops must not know it so most users have a set up more than that, and that includes me too. The proof of illegality is Chandigarh police, try roaming around with HIDs on and they will treat you :P
    Old RTR needs to be converted into DC supply first to use HIDs and Projectors for day long, if not be ready to get new battery every then and now. For help visit this link

    Engine Oils
    As mentioned in the manual 20W40 grade is recommended for RTR 180. By default TVS uses TVS Tru4 and will always say that they will void the warranty if you use some other oil. So for that don’t get the oil changed during regular service and get the oil of your choice from local mechanic. A DIY by Utkarsh for engine oil change (Link)

    Some Mineral Oils :
    Elf Moto 4 Gold
    Gulf Pride 4T Plus 20W40

    Some semi synthetic oils :
    Veedol Super Swift
    Shell AX7 10W40
    Motul 5100 Ester 4T 10w40

    Tyres
    I know I know what comes in all our minds when we discuss TVS tyres specially on wet surface.
    The stock tyre size for front is 90/90 17inch and for rear is 110/80 17inch.

    The options available are :
    MRF...Zapper FS 90/90 17" (front)
    Zapper Vyde or Zapper C 120/80 17" (rear)

    Michelin SIRAC 120/80x17 (availability can be an issue)
    Pirelli MT75 110/80 17'' or Sports Demon (Wears out soon but provides best grip)
    MRF Zapper Y 100/80 17''(R15 v1's rear tyre)
    Honda Dazzler's Rear Tyre is direct fit too

    From Shahbaz :
    How often do I need to lubricate the chain & with what material/ lube?

    Every 650-750 km. (During Rain every 350-500km) different types of Lube available in market known as spray wax chain lubricant. Or you can pour some gear oil on it to clean it. for best result use WD-40 Cheap & effective spray available at almost every Electrical, hardware or Auto Shops, costs around 40 rs.

    Cleaning chain sprocket & lubing is two different thing often mixed by user's, by adding gear oil or Diesel will only result a Clean Chain but not Lubricated Chain, for Lube You can use YamaLube cost 280 or you can go for any other brand includes Motul, Shell & moto max etc etc.

    TVS Tru4 Spray cost 300 bucks which cleans Chain very easily without much fuss & its most cheapest too.

    Here is D.I.Y. Link Bike O-Ring Chain - Cleaning & Lubrication


    How to turn off Service Indicator after servicing bike?

    to Turn OFF Service Indicator - Turn On Engine wait for light to go off & after that ... In the ODO mode simultaneously press Mode & Select button for 5 seconds.& then turn OFF Engine & again Turn On...(Note after that you have to set your clock again). You can refer to manual as well if its handy.

    Price List for RTR Parts
    If this doesn't work, attached is the zipped file

    UPDATED (Courtesy : Mirhawk)
    Spare part Link : http://goo.gl/FA7o1
    Another link for just the pictures of spare parts: http://goo.gl/UvtLS


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    For this post I would like to thank aargee first of all as it was his work that I modified and used for RTR thread and viscmad
    for helping alongwith all the RTR owners who shared their views and ideas on this thread.
    If anyone wants me to change anything or add up in this post, please PM me and I would be obliged to add it in the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prateek2210 View Post
    @sujithbvm : Avoid back to back posts. Use multi quote button rather
    Sorry for the back to back posts. Will take care of that in the future

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    Well written. Excellent
    Just wanted one clarification: what did you mean by the rpm fall from 2kRPM during idling? Is it after using choke ?
    It's not about the RIDE. It's about HOW YOU ride :]

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