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    is it risky to use front disc on bikes? i live in an area wherein there are sloppy roads of mud with small stones and i hav habbit of applying front brakes often wich makes me easy to control by my both legs as am tall i noticed that some time front tyre gets skids is it risky anytime to fall specially with disc bikes?

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    Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

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    You need to use the front brake more than the rear for optimal braking. A ratio of 70:30 is generally recommended.

    In low traction conditions, you need to increase the usage of the rear brake.

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    • #3
      Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

      Originally posted by The Monk View Post
      Query Approved

      You need to use the front brake more than the rear for optimal braking. A ratio of 70:30 is generally recommended.

      In low traction conditions, you need to increase the usage of the rear brake.

      Do rear this for more on braking - Introduction | Power1 MAX Academy : Powered by Castrol Power1
      thanx for ur reply but nw il b switching to hornet wich has petal disc so front disc can get stronger?

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      • #4
        Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

        Originally posted by qualitylover View Post
        thanx for ur reply but nw il b switching to hornet wich has petal disc so front disc can get stronger?

        It doesn't matter what bike you are riding, the basic braking technique remains the same on any motorcycle.

        Also, please avoid using SMS Language on the xBhp Forum. It against the forum rules. Thanks
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        • #5
          Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

          Originally posted by qualitylover View Post
          thanx for ur reply but nw il b switching to hornet wich has petal disc so front disc can get stronger?
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            Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

            thanks and sorry for sms shortcuts its like a habbit now to everyone i got my hornet and as expected it does skit actually my house is lil high on hill and to get the bike down there is twisted muddy slope where i has to put both my legs down so no choice other than applying front brake so lets see

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            • #7
              Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

              After few falls, in loose gravels I am now mostly using engine braking coupled with progressive application of both breaks. I may be wrong but fortunately this technique never failed me so far. You can try this as well ride cautiously as you know the terrain well.
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              • #8
                Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                While going upward use rear brake more and while on a downward road use engine braking with front brake.
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                • #9
                  Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                  Originally posted by AbhiAvvy13 View Post
                  While going upward use rear brake more and while on a downward road use engine braking with front brake.
                  whats engine braking am not familier with the term

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                  • #10
                    Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                    Originally posted by qualitylover View Post
                    whats engine braking am not familier with the term
                    Nothing a google can't answer!!!

                    " The term 'engine braking' refers to the braking effect caused by the closed-throttlepartial-vacuum in petrol (gasoline) engines when the accelerator pedal is released. While some of the braking force is due to friction in the*drive train, this is negligible compared to the effect from the vacuum.

                    When the throttle is closed, the air flow to the intake manifold is greatly restricted. The concept can be illustrated by the amount of effort required to blow/suck through a narrow tube vs. a wider one. It is the work the engine has to do against this restricted air flow that provides the braking effect."

                    Credit - engine braking (wikipedia)

                    Check out some YouTube videos as well for.engine braking.

                    In short you release the throttle and let the engine slow down on its own when the RPM falls.

                    Cheers,
                    Sanjay
                    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/touring-queries-route-planning-itinerary/33587-endurance-ride.html

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                    • #11
                      Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                      Originally posted by sanjaysangar1990 View Post
                      Nothing a google can't answer!!!

                      " The term 'engine braking' refers to the braking effect caused by the closed-throttlepartial-vacuum in petrol (gasoline) engines when the accelerator pedal is released. While some of the braking force is due to friction in the*drive train, this is negligible compared to the effect from the vacuum.

                      When the throttle is closed, the air flow to the intake manifold is greatly restricted. The concept can be illustrated by the amount of effort required to blow/suck through a narrow tube vs. a wider one. It is the work the engine has to do against this restricted air flow that provides the braking effect."

                      Credit - engine braking (wikipedia)

                      Check out some YouTube videos as well for.engine braking.

                      In short you release the throttle and let the engine slow down on its own when the RPM falls.

                      Cheers,
                      Sanjay
                      oh got that but i dont think this technique will work as its small slope not big only one turn and little depth thanks for suggestion

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                      • #12
                        Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                        Originally posted by qualitylover View Post
                        whats engine braking am not familier with the term
                        +1 to sanjaysangar1990 's comment. I am going to make it a little simple for you.
                        Let us assume that hornet(as you are going for it soon) can do the respected speeds on respective gears without stressing its engine as follows:
                        1st gear- 10km/h
                        2nd gear- 20km/h
                        3rd gear- 35km/h
                        4th gear- 50km/h
                        5th gear- 60km/h
                        So, if you are in 3rd gear you can easily ride with 35km/h speed. Now if you want to slow down without applying brake, what you have to do is just downshift to 2nd gear. Now as the engine is not comfortable it will restrict the speed causing deceleration. While coming downward from a slippery slope, restrict the speed by downshifting and your machine will be very much in your control. If you have to apply front brakes then don't press the brake lever suddenly. A firm and constant pressure on the lever will do your job.
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                        • #13
                          Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                          Originally posted by AbhiAvvy13 View Post
                          +1 to sanjaysangar1990 's comment. I am going to make it a little simple for you.
                          Let us assume that hornet(as you are going for it soon) can do the respected speeds on respective gears without stressing its engine as follows:
                          1st gear- 10km/h
                          2nd gear- 20km/h
                          3rd gear- 35km/h
                          4th gear- 50km/h
                          5th gear- 60km/h
                          So, if you are in 3rd gear you can easily ride with 35km/h speed. Now if you want to slow down without applying brake, what you have to do is just downshift to 2nd gear. Now as the engine is not comfortable it will restrict the speed causing deceleration. While coming downward from a slippery slope, restrict the speed by downshifting and your machine will be very much in your control. If you have to apply front brakes then don't press the brake lever suddenly. A firm and constant pressure on the lever will do your job.
                          i got that point but the slope is not too big to let it run on gears and its very narrow and i got hornet 6 days back also gerting familer with disc its not that harsh you can apply it slow it wont skid

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                          • #14
                            Re: applying front disc brake on offroad

                            Hello friend, there is much information in this forum as well as over internet on braking techniques. But Unless you are an advanced level bike rider, always keep in mind the following:-

                            Don't let your Front wheel get locked (while braking, due to braking). That will cause you to immediately loose any steering capability and you will merely be at mercy of forces.

                            Until you are very confident of the terrain and your own bike as well as traffic behaviour pattern, always brake in such a way that rear brakes get more force or are activated earlier than the front ones. (though the experienced riders will disagree over this) This will always ensure that you will still retain your balance and will have considerable stopping power imparted by use of fronts discs.

                            Unless you are in an emergency situation, always apply your brakes Gradually (not slowly), Only as much as Needed and Only When Needed.

                            On free roads feel free to take your bike, up to various speeds and apply brakes to familiarize yourself with the stopping distances.

                            If you ever find yourself suddenly running into Silt/oil spills/extreme potholes or bumps, Slowdown as much as possible with combination of Rear and Front brakes and engine braking, BUT DO NOT TRY TO TURN AND TWIST YOUR WAY AROUND THESE things on the road. Its very important to hold a straight line trajectory on such situations.

                            Other than that. just keep an eye on the disc for unusual wearing and always check your lines for leaks.

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