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Welcome man.
So u wanted to bump from 17 to 25bhp with a few plugs and filters and u want it all without touching the engine?
Welcome to the world of tuning. Spend some time here and other forums and you will learn it all

And trust me Jeet , there is none better to learn from than Mr.Joel here !!

Wish if that were possible.....
17 to 25 without touching the engine...... emmm let me think......!! not very possible!!!
I may be wrong but if there is someone who can make this happen then I will eb glad to ride all the way to him and get 25 horses work for my Zma...
happy hunting!!

This reminds me of a small incidence that happened with me last sunday.

Sunday, there was a Yamaha organised event called Ride Tech Challenge here at palace grounds, Bangalore. All R15 and FZ-16 owners were showing off their rides and there was a race at that Go-Kart track - Freeway 19. I got a call from the Yamaha guys and few friends to come down to check-out the event. Lazily got ready and left home on my R15.
I have done the works on my R15 already. All here know about the works.
I parked my bike outside at the parking lot to keep the nonsense crowd away.
later one of my friend asked for my keys for a ride and then on the way back he decided to bring the bike inside and park it next to the audience stall. Like I expected, I got all the unwanted crowd to peep and comment on the bike. So one software guy (aged around 30) comes to me and asks this,
s/w guy : So why have u put a loud exhaust.
me : for slight bump in performance
s/w guy : why u doing all this, there is a code in the ECU that u need to crack to get 22bhp, why didnt u do it.
I had no words to comment, but it was like a loud bang in my head.
me : cool, I'll give you my bike...crack the code for me
s/w guy : No dude, I dont know how to do but I read on the net. I'm a s/w engineer so I'm sure I can do it one day.
me : fine, so what if I tell you that its utter crap? Thats pure bull-shit.
I told him, there is no masala inside the engine to get that kind of power.
s/w guy : well maybe, I should find out with my electronics vendor. They are into something like this.
me : so what do u suggest I should do to get some serious power
s/w guy : There is a method in which you can route the exhaust gas into the engine directly and you will get twice the power easily. (bugger was refering to a turbo).
I could not control myself and burst loud. I simply walked away from there.

Such is the state of tuning awareness in our country. It will sure take some time to improve things. Even educated guys have no clue, let alone some un-educated mechs who are far better.

and i thought he was referring to an EGR

I think you have been answered that it is not possible to bump power by doing those small mods that you are planning.
Also, I think the cable your friend told you about is known as a Splitfire cable&is supposed to function better in conjunction with the Iridium plug. Again not a power booster.
Iridium plugs will NOT bump power. It will give you better throttle response by means of more consistent sparking&better cold starts though.
K&N fitting is useless without upjetting. Please learn about the changes to be done to the jets in order to accomodate K&N. It is available in other threads.

i agree with joel here..the real engine guys are a handful, and so is the no BS crowd..Every time i see a thread with iridium plus + splitfire cables, it makes me sick in my stomach..and i've kinda given up on educating people about it now..end of the day, k&n filter with no upjetting, an iridium plug plus some yellow colored HT coil cable is our common man's idea of stage 6 tuning..wtf

It all boils down to how much people here educate themselves about their beloved motorcycles..The only popular trend i see is people blabbering and calling their bikes "babes", baby, girlfrnd et al which sounds totally gay...and yet they cant tell where a carburetor is..they can name their bikes, put some fancy bulbs, a sticker with some cheesy punchline and call themselves bikers...such is the sad state of affairs of motorcycling here and our indian junta want companies coming up with 250cc bikes..sad scene i tell you

So if the consumers are like this..what better can we expect from the companies and the sport..Nothing right? The only sports played well here are posing, coz we have posers dime a dozen..Right here on the forum as well..No offense

cheers

Yeah man! I agree with you. I have been wanting to say something similar, but you put it so much better in words.

But Atul and Joel :
At least this guy came to the right place. He probably knows that he is new to tuning and at least he is forthright about it.
And that at least is the start of the solution !! We(I mean the tuning gurus) shud perhaps educate him properly and then leave the decision to him!
cheers.

ok first off, this post wasn't directed at the thread starter..its directed at the whole sad state of affairs in the indian tuning scene where people do not want to educate themselves about their bikes and the basic function, and take half baked knowledge and talk about a 4 bhp increment with iridium plugs and a jaundice yellow spark plug cable.
me or joel have never claimed to be tuning gurus, nor we ever will...the real baaps of tuning dont even come on forums and chitchat like this..we're just a bunch of enthusiasts who prefer to keep things simple but, to the point though..And by we, did you mean yourself included?

I agree with u atul_astro... It surely is a sad scene... To be honest before coming to xbhp i would say i was nothin more than a poser myself... Why?? As u said correctly half baked knowledge... Thinking that a K&N would give me some extreme power... Thinking that i was a biker without knowing how my bike works in the first place... Only after i came into this site did i start to learn more about my bike... N now when i do understand about the bikes working i have realized my stupidity in the past... Totally agree with wat u say...

lol, thats a funny one. My guess is, he was referring to the xbhp membership fraternity as 'us'.

You are calling yourself a tuning guru eh?
Tuning is not something that can be taught like a tutorial to someone. I hear most of them sending me mails and calling me and asking to teach them about tuning.
What is tuning? Its not about simply understanding how an engine/bike works etc. Tuning is a really vast subject of changing the character of a desired car/bike for the purpose desired. Its a process of increasing the volumetric efficiency of an engine and making the engine to work more for every drop of fuel thats burnt. When u increase the efficiency of the engine, power and economy both go up. For all-out racing set-ups, the demand is something else.
I've been fiddling with my engines for over 5-6 yrs now. Not some K&N and jetting, but hardcore stripping and rebuilding etc. I've been an engine nutter ever since childhood and when I was 15yrs old I stripped off my first engine. Its over 10 yrs now. I have learnt a lot more than what books could teach me over a theory note. Everyday I'm learning new things and my learning will stop only when my breath stops.
You need some mad levels of dedication to get there, else you can take the approach of merely understanding how your bike works....get to a level where you can service your own bike and leave it at that.
Everybody wants to start tuning their bike, there is nothing wrong but do people know what it takes?
I hear people saying that they are bikers. hardcore bikers. Whats being a biker? Xbhp says bikerism is a religion!. I dont see an essence here.
All cant be technically sound, most are challenged and the others are in between. Most feel tuning an engine is a simple task. Big deal, make everything bigger or larger and voila you have a fast engine.
Its more to do with the awareness around.
Now we have guys on the forum talking about adding a K&N and what not. I see people spend a good amount buying stuffs which dont give any damn increment in performance, but when there is the actual deal of laying hands on the engine to really soup matters inside...they decline. Like the thread starter who wants to get over 5 bhp without pretty much touching the engine. We having built a karizma to next levels, know what it takes to get even 2 bhp more. After having flown some over 40k and countless man-hours and testing is when we got that 5-6bhp. There is still a lot lot more to be done on the same engine, but thats for the next levels after that.
To everybody who is outside xbhp, it seems like this is a bunch filled with poser bikers. No offence but simply put thats how it is. I'm a part of other forums and I indeed know what repute each forum carries.
There are more discussion about filters, rims, plug wires and so on which can kill one to death. Having been a member since 2004, the quality of the members have changed. Good or bad, i cant comment.

I remember on my Fiero thread, someone asked me, if I have done stuff like jetting and K&N on my drag Fiero. I was simply floored. I didnt know what to say. After having written for over 2 pages(with pictures) about my set-up, I got such a question. Well, I didnt have the stock carb to begin with and nor was I even running a filter. I also see a few of them ridicule out of their ignorance for the wrong reasons and feel they are smart. If only they could experience 1% of the effort that went into the build, they'll get a clue of what tuning is.

Joel