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  • #31
    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
    you mean to say that amaron batteries does not require water to top-up ever. is it so, tell me the price, next time i will try it, though my exide never gave me any problems.
    It's not that just Amaron battery doesn't require top ups .... it is a whole new class of battery loosely called SMF (sealed maintenance free) .. even Exide has such type in their product range , as well as other manufacturers .
    These SMF batteries are again of two kinds - AGM(absorbed glass mat) and gel-cell . Both types are again VLRA ( valve regulated lead acid ) .. i.e they have a safety valve to release pressure in case of internal gas pressure buildup . Amaron's pro-biker range is a AGM + VLRA kind . These smf batteries have many advantages over our conventional batteries (flooded lead acid type) .

    i) cannot spill acid

    ii) can be mounted in any position ,like say vertically even ( since it does not spill )

    iii) very low internal resistance allowing them to be charged and discharged rapidly & doesn't heat up at all during charging/discharging . Faster current discharge to reach the battery's terminals, i.e.. more cold cranking amperage for self starter motor .

    iv) never requires addition of water - no maintenance or top-ups needed ever .

    v) very high mechanical shock & vibration resistance .

    vi) High power density, holding roughly 1.5x the AH capacity of flooded batteries per unit of weight .

    vii) Depth of discharge for optimal performance is up to 80% while flooded batteries can only tolerate up to 50% discharge .

    viii) VRLA+AGM batteries also have higher charge efficiency ; flooded cells convert 15-20% of the electrical energy into heat instead of potential power. Gel-cells lose 10-16% but AGMs as little as 4% .

    ix) low self discharge ; While flooded cells lose up to 1% per day due to self-discharge, VRLAs lose 1-3% per month - i.e they can be stored for months without charging .

    x) no acid fumes - the battery system is designed to be recombinant ( combines hydrogen and oxygen released during a overcharge back into water internally ) and eliminate the emission of gases .

    Disadvantages :

    i) Cost. AGM automobile batteries for example, are typically about twice the price of flooded-cell batteries in the same capacity - though this difference is rapidly reducing now .

    ii) AGM batteries do not tolerate overcharging. Overcharging dissociates the water in the electrolyte, which is unable to be replaced (no provision for water/acid top up ), leading to premature failure. ( recombination efficiency is about 90% ) . Flooded batteries are the most forgiving and can stand a wider range of charging parameters. . Most battery service guys here use high current rapid chargers which boils the electrolyte ( you can see it if the refilling caps are open ) ... if you give your battery to such places for recharging ... you can say bye bye to your smf (agm) battery in one year .

    iii) they are more sensitive to high heat - so lasts a bit less in operation in very hot conditions . generally speaking a properly maintained and regularly charged flooded cell lead acid battery should last the longest .
    Last edited by Pinaki; 08-07-2011, 02:34 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
      It's not that just Amaron battery doesn't require top ups .... it is a whole new class of battery loosely called SMF (sealed maintenance free) .. even Exide has such type in their product range , as well as other manufacturers .
      These SMF batteries are again of two kinds - AGM(absorbed glass mat) and gel-cell . Both types are again VLRA ( valve regulated lead acid ) .. i.e they have a safety valve to release pressure in case of internal gas pressure buildup . Amaron's pro-biker range is a AGM + VLRA kind . These smf batteries have many advantages over our conventional batteries (flooded lead acid type) .

      i) cannot spill acid

      ii) can be mounted in any position ,like say vertically even ( since it does not spill )

      iii) very low internal resistance allowing them to be charged and discharged rapidly & doesn't heat up at all during charging/discharging . Faster current discharge to reach the battery's terminals, i.e.. more cold cranking amperage for self starter motor .

      iv) never requires addition of water - no maintenance or top-ups needed ever .

      v) very high mechanical shock & vibration resistance .

      vi) High power density, holding roughly 1.5x the AH capacity of flooded batteries per unit of weight .

      vii) Depth of discharge for optimal performance is up to 80% while flooded batteries can only tolerate up to 50% discharge .

      viii) VRLA+AGM batteries also have higher charge efficiency ; flooded cells convert 15-20% of the electrical energy into heat instead of potential power. Gel-cells lose 10-16% but AGMs as little as 4% .

      ix) low self discharge ; While flooded cells lose up to 1% per day due to self-discharge, VRLAs lose 1-3% per month - i.e they can be stored for months without charging .

      x) no acid fumes - the battery system is designed to be recombinant ( combines hydrogen and oxygen released during a overcharge back into water internally ) and eliminate the emission of gases .

      Disadvantages :

      i) Cost. AGM automobile batteries for example, are typically about twice the price of flooded-cell batteries in the same capacity - though this difference is rapidly reducing now .

      ii) AGM batteries do not tolerate overcharging. Overcharging dissociates the water in the electrolyte, which is unable to be replaced (no provision for water/acid top up ), leading to premature failure. ( recombination efficiency is about 90% ) . Flooded batteries are the most forgiving and can stand a wider range of charging parameters. . Most battery service guys here use high current rapid chargers which boils the electrolyte ( you can see it if the refilling caps are open ) ... if you give your battery to such places for recharging ... you can say bye bye to your smf (agm) battery in one year .

      iii) they are more sensitive to high heat - so lasts a bit less in operation in very hot conditions . generally speaking a properly maintained and regularly charged flooded cell lead acid battery should last the longest .
      Absolutely yes!! I agree with you sir!! I have been using Amaron's Probiker battery on my P150 for the past 1 year, & i can say proudly say I have never had any type of issues with over heating or what so ever. Comes with a warranty of 48 months and even if it gets discharged the distributor will charge it free of cost provided the battery should be in the warranty period & in case any issue arises the battery will be replaced free of cost!!!
      I got it for 1300Rs here in Noida and its not at all a bad alternate for the conventional batteries which costs about 1200Rs here. Moreover another advantage with these lead acid batteries is negligible sulfur deposit on the terminals also they are maintenance free!!
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      • #33
        nice info shared..
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        • #34
          Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post
          thanks buddy..
          Welcome bro.

          Originally posted by T-Bone View Post
          i can say proudly say I have never had any type of issues with over heating or what so ever. Comes with a warranty of 48 months and even if it gets discharged the distributor will charge it free of cost provided the battery should be in the warranty period & in case any issue arises the battery will be replaced free of cost!!!
          Its about 2 months before i had bought the battery(Amaron 9Ah MF) From the day of fitting,I had Zero issues and 100% Satisfied.

          Moreover another advantage with these lead acid batteries is negligible sulfur deposit on the terminals also they are maintenance free!!
          Me too notice that,because in old Amco Battery,Terminals will be corroded within a week,but my Amaron is still like new.

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          • #35
            I wanted to buy sealed maintenance free exide battery but the service centre guy told that since my bike is 2006 model it will not fit dont know whether its true or not?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by rsk11584 View Post
              I wanted to buy sealed maintenance free exide battery but the service centre guy told that since my bike is 2006 model it will not fit dont know whether its true or not?
              Which is your bike?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rsk11584 View Post
                I wanted to buy sealed maintenance free exide battery but the service centre guy told that since my bike is 2006 model it will not fit dont know whether its true or not?
                Absolute bunkum ... he probably does not stock it in the size/capacity your bike needs . An smf battery ( AGM + VLRA type like amaron probiker etc ) , if anything , will have a bit smaller footprint ( smaller size overall ) than the same capacity flooded-cell lead acid battery that came stock with your bike .Like say, I have seen 2.5AH amaron (alpha series probiker) easily fits in place of an original 2.5AH lead-acid-flooded-cell type . Their 5ah fits original 3ah(ES glamour) space .No charging problems with that too . Now, if you want greatly increased capacity , like say a 9AH in place of a 3AH ( like many people are doing now to support HID GPS etc ) then only the problem of size & fitting & charging volts/amperes may arise . Even then ... I've seen people fit in larger capacity battery with some ingenuity , no problem .
                bottomline - find a better battery guy .

                Check this webpage - http://www.amaronprobikerider.co.in/powerfitments.aspx
                Unfortunately Exide India has a very scanty web page with almost no info . But i'm sure that they have smf battery range too ( I've a friend working here at exide house kolkata ) .
                Last edited by Pinaki; 08-07-2011, 06:26 PM.

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                • #38
                  hero honda super splendor 2006 model self start 5 amps battery
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                  • #39
                    Little OT, but use vaseline or WD-40 on the terminals to keep them from corroding or getting that white caking on it.


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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jd666 View Post
                      Little OT, but use vaseline or WD-40 on the terminals to keep them from corroding or getting that white caking on it.
                      Ah!this is something i want to know.Is it safe to use WD at the terminals?The guy at the Electrical Works asked me not to use any Oil.
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                      • #41
                        ^^ google 2000 uses for WD-40. Im discovering new ones everyday!!! especially when the special for india can is around 235 bucks!!!


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                        • #42
                          Coming to best batteries...I would say go for Amaron brand, I have heard many people saying good about these batteries, warranty is usually respected and many cases they replace too...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RanjithMN View Post
                            Ah!this is something i want to know.Is it safe to use WD at the terminals?The guy at the Electrical Works asked me not to use any Oil.
                            i) first thing - clean the terminals , they should be shiny & corrosion free before you apply anything . A good way is to brush the posts with a old toothbrush & a mild acid like (coke) Coca-cola . To remove old grease/oil use dishwash .

                            ii) connect & tighten your wires/connector thing well , before applying , so that the grease may not interfere with the electrical connection .

                            iii) best stuff to apply on battery terminals ( or any conductive junction anywhere ) is Dielectric Grease if you can get it here . Next best is clear pure petroleum jelly ( clear odourless pure Vaseline ) . Neither of those should be put BETWEEN electrical connections.... just ON them to protect them from the environment. Just wanted to clarify.

                            please note that i've never greased my bike battery posts , only done this on the car battery .

                            Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
                            Coming to best batteries...I would say go for Amaron brand, I have heard many people saying good about these batteries, warranty is usually respected and many cases they replace too...
                            Gotta agreeeeeee ++ with vipin , amazing warranty amaron is giving now .... 60 months on their alpha series .. dunno how they can manage it LOL .
                            Last edited by Pinaki; 08-08-2011, 01:57 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Greasing on bike battery also works,I had done it my karizma while using Amco Batterie and the result was a success.

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                              • #45
                                Is the Amaron a direct fit on the FZ-16? Which one should I go for?
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