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  • Handling Problem of My P220 DTS-Fi

    Guys, i own a P220 DTS-Fi. The bike is running fine. The only issue is with the handling part. After a few small crashes the bike's handling took a toll. The Steering Cone set was busted at 9k. The forks and the Steering T stem were bent. The Mudguard Bracket was also bent. My bike never used to turn properly and used to sway to the left side. I got all these things done when my bike was 10k kms old. Also the fork oil and oil seals were changed. After the service the bike was comparatively better. I could turn with ease. Still there was problem. The bike veers to the left. On hard braking (front brake) the handle turns slightly to the left.
    I wasnt happy. So asked for a checkup again. At 11.2k kms my bike's forks and steering T stem were again trued. Any improvement? Just marginal. Still the bike used to veer to the left. I was asked to run for a few days for the knowing the real difference.
    One day i got totally pissed after hearing hearing constantly from fellow bikers about the problem. I blasted the service engineer. The service center manager immediately called me and my bike was again taken for a checkup. It was serviced on a Sunday. The Cone set was again changed at 12.5k kms. The first one wasnt properly fit so got busted soon. The forks and steering T stem were again trued and the mudguard bracket changed. The bike was much better than before. All the possibilities checked, still the bike used to sway to the left. I was asked to run it like that for some 1000kms so that the Cones get set and the fork frees.
    In between at 14.5k kms i made a visit and told them that the bike is still the same and only marginal improvement has been noticed. Again after a check up by the service advisor, he told me that the rear tyre is worn out so it is causing the bike to veer to the left. This time the steering fork was very loose. So they tightened it a bit.
    Now my bike has run 16.5k kms and still the problem hasnt been resolved. I have changed my rear tyre but to no use. Yes, there is drastic improvement from what it was at 10k kms and what it is now. But it is not at its best. I couldnt visit the service center frequently as i shifted my house to a place very far.
    Yesterday i again went for a checkup. The forks and steering T stem were checked by the fork experts. He said they are fine and only the steering fork was too tight so the hands were paining. My mechanic loosed the steering fork and finally the handling improved a bit. But still it veers slightly to the left.
    The latest thing of my bike. It is shaking (i dont know what to call it) front caliper . Upon holding the caliper and slight movement it moves left and right. I showed this to my mechanic and he said that it is nothing to worry of. The hole of the pin which is used to hold the brake pads together has enlarged due to excessively hard braking done by me. On a straight road if i keep the front lever squeezed i can feel the feedback of the brakes. I can feel the oscillations (or whatever it is). the brake tightens at a particular point and loosens at a particular point. all this happens as a cycle in fraction of seconds.

    Guys, iam fed up with these problems . Please if someone can help me out i would be grateful to him.
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    • #3
      Thanks Aryan for the approval.
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      • #4
        dude, congrats for the Fi, it's an amazing bike annd don't loose heart. Do u know that all the calipers in all the bikes will have a slight movement. That is nothing to worry about until and unless it's too shaky to fall off. As per the problems, did u chech ur swing arm for any kinds of bend??? If no, do give a check cos if that is the culprit it will male the entire bike go haywire. Do give us some inputs after checking that, maybe v can solve it soon!
        Last edited by dual disc 200; 10-16-2009, 11:11 AM. Reason: additional content
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        • #5
          Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post
          dude, congrats for the Fi, it's an amazing bike annd don't loose heart. Do u know that all the calipers in all the bikes will have a slight movement. That is nothing to worry about until and unless it's too shaky to fall off. As per the problems, did u chech ur swing arm for any kinds of bend??? If no, do give a check cos if that is the culprit it will male the entire bike go haywire. Do give us some inputs after checking that, maybe v can solve it soon!
          Slight movement . As far as i know the calipers stay rigid. Anyways the thing is iam able to feel the feedback of the brakes. the brake tightens and loosens at a particular point. and at the same point i can feel the handle to turn left and right very fast. I wonder what this is.
          Swingarm? I would be happy to know if there is a way to check it. i dont think visual inspection can be of any help. The service engineer says nothing will happen to the swingarm.

          Update:
          When my fork oil was being replaced, the job was done by two different mechanics. left fork by one and the right one by another. I doubt imbalance in oil level to be the culprit. Is there a method to know if the oil level is different in both the forks by compression and damping? The service engineer refuses to get it done again. Also, i dont want to keep on spending money for these consumables and the useless jobcards.
          Last edited by rahul9985; 10-16-2009, 11:19 AM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rahul9985 View Post
            Slight movement . As far as i know the calipers stay rigid. Anyways the thing is iam able to feel the feedback of the brakes. the brake tightens and loosens at a particular point. and at the same point i can feel the handle to turn left and right very fast. I wonder what this is.

            Update:
            When my fork oil was being replaced, the job was done by two different mechanics. left fork by one and the right one by another. I doubt imbalance in oil level to be the culprit. Is there a method to know if the oil level is different in both the forks by compression and damping?
            Just try shaking a caliper on any other bike and u'll know that it has a slight moment, it's just a thin line between rigid and moment. Hope u understand what i mean. Do a bleeding on ur brake lines and check for any problems, think ur brake problems should end there. Then check the fork seals and oil levels and perfect it. That should be ur answer to all the probs.
            Whenever there is a Rainbow in the sky, I know it's u mastering the art of Cornering. U will always be remembered brother, R.I.P Arun.

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            • #7
              What about your handlebar? Have you checked it for bends? And the calipers do have a small amount of play. The rubber bushing causes this, and is normal.
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              • #8
                check and change the FRONT tyre!!! its the biggest cause of handling problems. Otherwise check that your forks are true and straight and then check your frame isnt bent.

                but change the FRONT tyre. I cant beleive people go through all sorts of changes without changing the front tyre first.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post
                  Just try shaking a caliper on any other bike and u'll know that it has a slight moment, it's just a thin line between rigid and moment. Hope u understand what i mean. Do a bleeding on ur brake lines and check for any problems, think ur brake problems should end there. Then check the fork seals and oil levels and perfect it. That should be ur answer to all the probs.

                  +1 to the caliper movement .... it does even in mine...maybe the reason ur having problems is coz its rigid...

                  And Rahul bhai , Y all of a sudden ur bike giving problems? and u not knowng whats happening, dtsfi thread ur the major member.. solving problems , suggesting.... etc etc......


                  anywyas coming back to ur problem....

                  see when ur riding or driving any vehicle for matter, be it car or bike, if ti pulls to the left or right, u can suspect a few problems in it...

                  1) very obvious is damage to the parts...
                  2 ) broken joints of links,
                  3 ) uneven tire wear
                  4 ) suspension
                  5 ) u say ur bikes pretty banged up due to frequent encounters..
                  cant u suspect minor problems with chassis and frame?
                  6 ) wheel alignment...
                  7 ) most of all the problems , its uneven breaking...
                  ...................

                  uve checked for damage in parts...cone set, t stem etc etc... everythin rectified..

                  i don thing u have broken joints or links.....kindly get ur bike's front dome stripped and check with precision with the help of a mech...

                  tire wear can be ruled out... u say tires have been changed...kindly get the front tire and alloy replaced with another one... test drive..

                  suspension like pro's here have told , again ensure exact amount of fork oil. check rigidity of suspension and also exact alignment of forks..

                  ask pbk to inspect ur chassis... stay with them when getting the work done....minor alignment problems will be the cause.. cant believe pbk doesnt suspect chassis problems.... they don like to do serious work at all...

                  the front wheel has to be exactly aligned with the rear wheel....they should fall precisely in a line .... check for that.....

                  kindly check if the front disc pads are pressing the disc evenly from both sides.... some times even if the pressure is more from one side of the pad , it tends to pull u in a certain direction.. u can remember facing this problem on bicycle's which we rode years ago ...................


                  will be waiting to know how things go...hope my analysis helps....
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                  • #10
                    Get the clip ons changed ... It'll run fine then

                    Post a few crashes, there are a few minor changes which are expereinced. I dont believe it'll still handle as it did before the crashes
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                      What about your handlebar? Have you checked it for bends? And the calipers do have a small amount of play. The rubber bushing causes this, and is normal.
                      This is new to me. Is there any way to get rid of the play? I can sense the Fluctuations or Oscillations of the caliper while braking hard on a straight line.

                      Originally posted by csgup1 View Post
                      check and change the FRONT tyre!!! its the biggest cause of handling problems. Otherwise check that your forks are true and straight and then check your frame isnt bent.

                      but change the FRONT tyre. I cant beleive people go through all sorts of changes without changing the front tyre first.
                      Bro, i have checked by changing the whole wheel with another bikes which was perfectly normal. Even the then the bike veers to the left. And yes the forks are true. Got it checked with a truer yesterday.
                      I want to know how to inspect the frame or chasis. Visual inspection doesnt help here.

                      Originally posted by vid_powerstroke View Post
                      +1 to the caliper movement .... it does even in mine...maybe the reason ur having problems is coz its rigid...

                      And Rahul bhai , Y all of a sudden ur bike giving problems? and u not knowng whats happening, dtsfi thread ur the major member.. solving problems , suggesting.... etc etc......


                      anywyas coming back to ur problem....

                      see when ur riding or driving any vehicle for matter, be it car or bike, if ti pulls to the left or right, u can suspect a few problems in it...

                      1) very obvious is damage to the parts...
                      2 ) broken joints of links,
                      3 ) uneven tire wear
                      4 ) suspension
                      5 ) u say ur bikes pretty banged up due to frequent encounters..
                      cant u suspect minor problems with chassis and frame?
                      6 ) wheel alignment...
                      7 ) most of all the problems , its uneven breaking...
                      ...................

                      uve checked for damage in parts...cone set, t stem etc etc... everythin rectified..

                      i don thing u have broken joints or links.....kindly get ur bike's front dome stripped and check with precision with the help of a mech...

                      tire wear can be ruled out... u say tires have been changed...kindly get the front tire and alloy replaced with another one... test drive..

                      suspension like pro's here have told , again ensure exact amount of fork oil. check rigidity of suspension and also exact alignment of forks..

                      ask pbk to inspect ur chassis... stay with them when getting the work done....minor alignment problems will be the cause.. cant believe pbk doesnt suspect chassis problems.... they don like to do serious work at all...

                      the front wheel has to be exactly aligned with the rear wheel....they should fall precisely in a line .... check for that.....

                      kindly check if the front disc pads are pressing the disc evenly from both sides.... some times even if the pressure is more from one side of the pad , it tends to pull u in a certain direction.. u can remember facing this problem on bicycle's which we rode years ago ...................


                      will be waiting to know how things go...hope my analysis helps....
                      Well, i just share what i know.
                      Coming to my bike. It had this severe handling problem which even our Praful Bhaiyya couldnt solve.
                      My bike has never had a major crash which can cause serious problems. By saying this i dont mean that Problems are caused only because of major accidents. The crashes which i have had are quite silly that too coz of distraction at low speeds.
                      Coming back to my problem, i have checked each and every thing from the above except the chasis and fork oil levels. If the disc pads are touching the disc i can sense it very easily.
                      Right now my bike has been stripped by me. I myself am checking for possibilities.

                      Originally posted by kurtrules View Post
                      Get the clip ons changed ... It'll run fine then

                      Post a few crashes, there are a few minor changes which are expereinced. I dont believe it'll still handle as it did before the crashes
                      Tried by putting friend's clip-ons. U dint understand the problem. If clip-ons are bent, they'll cause wrist pain and shoulder to some extent. But in my case iam running the bike by leaving the handle.


                      The thing i want to know is how to inspect the chasis. Also how to check if the forks are having the same level of oil or not only through compression of the forks. It is very difficult to check with precision. I dont want to open them and create another spill at my house.
                      Last edited by rahul9985; 10-16-2009, 09:30 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rahul9985 View Post
                        This is new to me. Is there any way to get rid of the play? I can sense the Fluctuations or Oscillations of the caliper while braking hard on a straight line.



                        Bro, i have checked by changing the whole wheel with another bikes which was perfectly normal. Even the then the bike veers to the left. And yes the forks are true. Got it checked with a truer yesterday.
                        I want to know how to inspect the frame or chasis. Visual inspection doesnt help here.



                        Well, i just share what i know.
                        Coming to my bike. It had this severe handling problem which even our Praful Bhaiyya couldnt solve.
                        My bike has never had a major crash which can cause serious problems. By saying this i dont mean that Problems are caused only because of major accidents. The crashes which i have had are quite silly that too coz of distraction at low speeds.
                        Coming back to my problem, i have checked each and every thing from the above except the chasis and fork oil levels. If the disc pads are touching the disc i can sense it very easily.
                        Right now my bike has been stripped by me. I myself am checking for possibilities.



                        Tried by putting friend's clip-ons. U dint understand the problem. If clip-ons are bent, they'll cause wrist pain and shoulder to some extent. But in my case iam running the bike by leaving the handle.


                        The thing i want to know is how to inspect the chasis. Also how to check if the forks are having the same level of oil or not only through compression of the forks. It is very difficult to check with precision. I dont want to open them and create another spill at my house.

                        u very well know this saying.... every small nip, chip and knock turns a bald stone into a sculpture... in our case it doesnt work out that way lol.. coz even the smallest of falls is capable of denting or spoiling the delicate chassis...

                        anyways what i wanted to say is out of two disc pads, only one will be functioning... in this case only the ride pad is applying the brakes for u .. since pad functioning ... hence lots of breaking effort needed....instead of both the pads simultaneously pressing onto the disc, only one pad is.... that's what i wanted to tell...i dint mean that one pad is rubbing against ur disc ....

                        and one more thing... visual inspection of a chassis cannot be done brotha... minor details cant be noticed ... if u must ask another friend who's bike is runnin well to lend it for a comparo... strip both ... see where whats different... thats the most u can do ... or its pbk or simply go to a good workshop or sbk service centre ...... yeah i mean it ...SBK ...if u don trust the pbk anymore...or if they're unable to solve the prob...
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                        • #13
                          Possible factors..

                          I feel, you need to go through these steps..

                          1. Wheel alignment, Possible rear wheel might be out of line. You can search on internet with two threads method. Also, chances are due to minor accident the front wheel may be out of line.
                          2. Hold the front wheel while bike is on center stand. Try to shake the suspensions front or back (not side to side). If there is a fore-play then go for adjustments.
                          3. Visual inspection of frame will definitely not help, but may be culprit leading to such feeling. Get is inspected, through authorized center.
                          4. Handle Clips may need resetting.

                          I would prefer getting tested bike on the above points.
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                          • #14
                            did the bike you changed the front wheel with have a new front tyre? I would say changing it to a new one will most definitely improve the current problem

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for the input guys. Soon my bike is going to be totally stripped for chassis inspection. Also a new tyre is on its way. Was busy with my exams all these days. Will update again.

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