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  • Help: My ride to Ooty and how it ended.

    Hi Guys,

    I'm to cheesed of at the moment to continue with my write up on the Tourer thread I had started with an almost similar topic

    now that the cat is out of the bag, its better I get to the point.

    On the way back from Ooty, down Kothagiri and on my way to Sathyamangalam my bike seized.

    To brief you, we where a group of 6 headed by Kiran (Pulsar 180 classic) , David and his wife (TB), Indro (350 Machismo), Dom ( 500 Machismo) and your truly (Pulsar 180 UG3)

    Riding down Ooty is easily by far the best 1 and a half hours of riding I have ever had. Me and my bike in perfect harmony bending into each and every curve, blind turn and hair pin bind like those synchronised games in the olympics

    I truly believe that I had tested the limits of my biking skills on the way down. And it was mighty brilliant. We were constantly at 65 - 75 km hr scrapping foot pegs, loosing rear ends and just about everything was on the limit.

    We started at 6:45 and had reached a chai shop at the foothills by 7:45. Pushed off by 8, bike did not seem to show any signs, at least outwards, of the impending failure. We where off again and after one fuel stop later where i topped my tank

    Right before Sathyamangalam town limits, probably 5 km before, we caught this long super straight stretch of road which went downhill and lo behold! we had a draft of wind assisting us!

    I turned my wrist skywards, bent towards my fuel tank and watched the needle cross 110 & move onto 118. To the left, the rev limiter blinker kept blinking ineccesantly but I dint pay heed.

    Just then, I noticed Kiran's yellow helmet loom into my sights as he slowed down to the side of the road. I ignored him and turned back to the road and just then it happened.

    No spectacular noise, no deathely vibrations nothing. I simply lost compression! It was as though my bike was taking in its last few gasping breaths and the tachometer refused to point up. Cutting gears to no avail, I slowed down to the side of the road and tried to bring my bike to life.

    Thats when I noticed in my rear view mirror, Kiran getting towed my Dom. Flying FISH!!! Kiran's bike had also seized on the same stretch of road!! He was doing 125 when his bike seized.

    Guys, we where just totally baffled. If it is just a co-incidence then 1 has to agree it is an eerie one at that too. Is this the limit of the perfromance of my bike? Did I push it too hard?

    If yes, then i'm disappointed.

    I must admit though, neither me or Kiran touched our bikes. We loaded it onto a tempo to Erode and then packed it to chennai. But I clearly remember checking my oil level and finding it to be perfectly fine. While i stood, there was no form of oil leakage from the engine or even the exhaust. Simply put, it seemed like a bike in perfect running condition

    The Bajaj mechanics who opened my bike though claim that there was only 100 ml of engine oil left! I had serviced my bike only last tuesday and my mechanic had filled in Castrol semi synthetic 20 50.

    Today I just came back from Khivraj Motors, Nungambakkam Chennai, amd have been slapped with a quotation for 15,100 INR across my face. That is how much it is going to cost me to completely overhaul my bike Parts to be replaced are
    1. complete piston+bore+crankshaft
    2. clutchplate
    3. timing chain
    4. inlet & outlet valves
    5. Stock air filter box (as I have K&N)
    6. Stock spark plugs (I have NGK Irridium)
    7. blah blah

    Frankly i'm totally confused guys. I saw the bore and there was scoring all over the sides. My apologies for not getting any photos. I will definitly click some and post.

    What do you guys have to say?
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    Query Approved.
    Last edited by Aryan; 01-30-2009, 04:03 PM.
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    • #3
      sorry again bro!

      I just assumed that, posting the last part of my ride with a similar heading so that people could relate to the thread in the tourer section would be a good idea. That's why the almost similar thread title

      And that's why i started it in the help me! section.

      Probably if you could close the thread in the tourer section?? and let the thread in the help me section remain as it is?
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      Interviewer - How does it feels to drive at 300 km/h?
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      • #4
        Okay, now it is in the 'Help' section. I hope that's alright sir.
        :)

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        • #5
          perfecto!
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          • #6
            Y should the Air filter and spark plugs be changed for a Seizure ? Did your bike ve any other problems ?
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            • #7
              Basically I have been advised to run-in my bike in stock condition.

              Also prior to this, I had the engine rev limiter cutting in once on the way to ooty at high speed.

              Frankly the working of the rev limiter confuses me. Normally, the rev limiter would just blink on my bike but would not actually cut the revs. But for the first time on this trip it actually worked like a rev limiter. It limited my revs, and that too after allowing it to exceed 9k RPM.
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              Interviewer - How does it feels to drive at 300 km/h?
              Kimi Raikkonen - It feels normal.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TNiranjanT View Post
                The Bajaj mechanics who opened my bike though claim that there was only 100 ml of engine oil left! I had serviced my bike only last tuesday and my mechanic had filled in Castrol semi synthetic 20 50.

                Today I just came back from Khivraj Motors, Nungambakkam Chennai, amd have been slapped with a quotation for 15,100 INR across my face. That is how much it is going to cost me to completely overhaul my bike Parts to be replaced are
                1. complete piston+bore+crankshaft
                2. clutchplate
                3. timing chain
                4. inlet & outlet valves
                5. Stock air filter box (as I have K&N)
                6. Stock spark plugs (I have NGK Irridium)
                7. blah blah

                Frankly i'm totally confused guys. I saw the bore and there was scoring all over the sides. My apologies for not getting any photos. I will definitly click some and post.

                What do you guys have to say?
                1. Who was the mechanic who said there was only 100ml? .. was it at Khivraj?

                2. Did you see oil leaking anywhere around your engine on either side (black patches anywhere), near the exhaust, or near the chain cover and the rear mag wheel (incase you dont have the chain cover) ?

                3. When you installed K&N, did you jet your bike? .. How long were you riding (continuously) before the engine seized?

                4. How many kms has your bike run totally?.. how many of those kms were on K&N?

                5. What's wrong with the crankshaft? What's the fault? .. is there a fault just with the connecting rod? or the crank assembly? .. In all, even if you replace all parts (1-6), it won't cross 10K (including labour).. why 15K?.. what's under blah blah?
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                • #9
                  Its a totally weird way for a engine to seize!

                  Why are the spark plugs being replaced? Did you have a look at the spark plugs, were they physically damaged?
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                  • #10
                    1. Yes it was at Khivraj, mechanic's name is Suresh

                    2. I did not see any excess oil at the time I had stopped. Though i did notice some oil at the cylinder head. Nothing on the road though, and this amazes me

                    3. I did not jet my bike after installing K&N, also I was riding for probably 1:30 hours before the engine seize. Riding downhill (for an hour), halted for chai (15 minutes) and then continued.

                    4. Bike has done a total of 26000 Km and I have been running on the filter for around 15000 Km

                    5. the mechanics claim that there is play in the crankshaft. They said the whole assembly had to be changed. Again i'm not qualified enough to question them so sorry cant help you either here. Blah blah is just extra buffer in case anything else needs to be replaced

                    My spark plugs are fine, just that the I was told to run it in on stock components and then probably revert back to it later
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                    Interviewer - How does it feels to drive at 300 km/h?
                    Kimi Raikkonen - It feels normal.

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                    • #11
                      Absolte BS at the ss.
                      Get the bore changed , fill oil and ur go..

                      Not the first time any1 has the seizure.
                      Wuf they acting like nuts man.. 15k u better buy a rx 135 and ride.

                      If there is play in the CS , reset it costs 600 odd
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                      Last edited by santoosh; 08-25-2011, 07:25 AM.
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                      • #12
                        i wish i could just change the bore and ride out man, i wish i could....
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                        • #13
                          even nw u can , its ur bike.

                          The reason could be k & n
                          u wud hv been runnin super lean , Had u done proper jetting or a plug and play ?
                          Nw dont say iv usd it 4 15k and it was alright.

                          Clutch plates-Yes if u have not changed them b4
                          Bore-Definitely
                          Crank- reset if u need to.
                          Valves- if they are eaten . which im sure they have cos its bajaj..
                          gaskets and oil. Nothin more

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                          Last edited by santoosh; 08-25-2011, 07:25 AM.
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                          00 Kinetic Style
                          04 Pulsar 180 V1
                          06 Hyosung Comet GT 250
                          07 HH ZMA-R
                          08 Yamaha YZF-R15
                          10 Suzuki Access
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                          • #14
                            Even I feel its cos of the K&N.No jetting and tuning has run it lean. Probably the long running and the heating contributed to oil consumption. As Santa said, get a new bore. Or as u had mentioned in another thread get a 200 bore. Fix it, fill oil and use it. End of story!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by santoosh View Post
                              even nw u can , its ur bike.

                              The reason could be k & n
                              u wud hv been runnin super lean , Had u done proper jetting or a plug and play ?
                              Nw dont say iv usd it 4 15k and it was alright.

                              Clutch plates-Yes if u have not changed them b4
                              Bore-Definitely
                              Crank- reset if u need to.
                              Valves- if they are eaten . which im sure they have cos its bajaj..
                              gaskets and oil. Nothin more

                              Santa
                              +1 ..

                              running lean .. long duration = more heat .. + you've lost oil.. so couldnt be worse..

                              If possible take it as it is to another bajaj dealer (who doesn't know khivraj) switch to all stock and poke them for warranty (if you have got ur bike serviced at bajaj throughout).. since ur bike has run 26K..

                              As santa said crank can be reset and balanced.. bajaj doesnt sell con-rods separately.. it sells the entire assembly (clever).. but you can get aftermarket con-rods (local ones).. cheap . and works .. crank assembly alone is in excess of 4K..
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