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  • #16
    Originally posted by tanay View Post
    Well, see, if you would indeed like to mod your P180, then Joel is a great choice. I have not used his services yet but you hear good things about him.Thus the suggestion.

    So Joel could get you an exhaust and possibly some mods. The power gain would depend on him, but the mileage will definitely go down. He has done some mods that resulted in a mileage increase but if you rip the bike all the time then you will get around what you got last time: 27 kmpl or so.
    Of course, at 50-60 km you will get better FE, once again, depends on mods.

    As for rebuilds:
    When you put in a free-flowing air filter, more dirt particles can get into the engine and over time this results in more maintenance. The porting/polishing etc etc are debatable subjects in terms of performance increase.

    But I'm speaking from little practical experience. Just PM joel and you can ask him about all the mods. He'll advise you on the best mods.


    PS: As for the handling you can't do much except put in some R15 tyres.
    Thank you tanay. Am planning to take my bike to Joel.
    Now am waiting for that day my bike gets reloaded on the road.

    Take care
    Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
    If you lack these two then DONT

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    • #17
      1. A well-tuned stock Pulsar 180 can achieve 120 km/hr if it is in a mint
      condition.

      2. Regarding tyres i made a mistake as pirelli sports demon does not provide 17 size in 100/90 or 110/90 atleast according to the website. You better stick to Zapper C 100/90-17 for rear tyre. Also get the front tyre 2.75-17 Zapper FS.
      A friend who has pulsar 180 Feb 2009 has the same combination of MRF Zappers both front and rear and his bike handles and grips very well. It is completely in stock condition widout any mods and touches 120 because carb is tuned for optimum performance.

      3. For free flow exhaust it was estimate of around 4k to 5k for a good one not any particular one. As tanay said Joel is the best man for this (email him giving details of your bike to get the estimated cost) . Also free flow exhaust tuned for top end would be good for increasing your top speed as i said before. But if you want to cruise at 50-60 km/hr then it would not make a difference.

      So basically you need to decide what exactly you want, this might help you choose-

      1. For higher top speed- FFE tuned for top end

      2. For better low and midrange torque- K&N with upjetting

      But remember both of these will reduce your mileage.

      What i would have done- Get tyres changed to MRF zappers as mentioned above, Use synthetic oil like petronas/Motul 300V corresponding to your engine oil grade and take the bike to a good mechanic not PBK to thoroughly check your bike you can also ask him to tune the carburator for performance. After doing this if you really want to achieve a much higher top speed sacrificing some mileagecontact joel to get free flow exhaust.
      Last edited by PRANAV D; 04-25-2010, 02:27 AM. Reason: point added
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      • #18
        Originally posted by DEvIl$ LAir View Post
        1. A well-tuned stock Pulsar 180 can achieve 120 km/hr if it is in a mint
        condition.

        2. Regarding tyres i made a mistake as pirelli sports demon does not provide 17 size in 100/90 or 110/90 atleast according to the website. You better stick to Zapper C 100/90-17 for rear tyre. Also get the front tyre 2.75-17 Zapper FS.
        A friend who has pulsar 180 Feb 2009 has the same combination of MRF Zappers both front and rear and his bike handles and grips very well. It is completely in stock condition widout any mods and touches 120 because carb is tuned for optimum performance.

        3. For free flow exhaust it was estimate of around 4k to 5k for a good one not any particular one. As tanay said Joel is the best man for this (email him giving details of your bike to get the estimated cost) . Also free flow exhaust tuned for top end would be good for increasing your top speed as i said before. But if you want to cruise at 50-60 km/hr then it would not make a difference.

        So basically you need to decide what exactly you want, this might help you choose-

        1. For higher top speed- FFE tuned for top end

        2. For better low and midrange torque- K&N with upjetting

        But remember both of these will reduce your mileage.

        What i would have done- Get tyres changed to MRF zappers as mentioned above, Use synthetic oil like petronas/Motul 300V corresponding to your engine oil grade and take the bike to a good mechanic not PBK to thoroughly check your bike you can also ask him to tune the carburator for performance. After doing this if you really want to achieve a much higher top speed sacrificing some mileagecontact joel to get free flow exhaust.
        What I really need is Great power and top speed. I take my bike as best choice for reaching my native if I need to be there as fast as possible. (Kerala, 630Km, travel will mostly be on NH ), The mid-range I specified is for something like day-to-day commuting. But not on the cost compromising performance.
        Will FFE together with K&N, result in reduced top speed.
        What is your opinion on Michelin tyres of the same size, for my behaviour?
        Please tell me the cost of both brands.
        Take care
        And dude whats PBK

        No more formalities
        Tak Care
        Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
        If you lack these two then DONT

        Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
        __________________________________________

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        alwayzaLive . . .

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        • #19
          Can some one give me Joels personal contact no:
          Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
          If you lack these two then DONT

          Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
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          alwayzaLive . . .

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          • #20
            Ok so you need overall great power which i assume to be good low and mid-range torque along with power in the top end. So here goes-

            1. Low and mid range torque- K & N with upjetting (main jet size to 120)
            Cons/disadvantages- Average will be reduced by 5-7 atleast. Like if u are getting 42 then you will get about 35 (mixed riding conditions)

            2. Top end power/achieve high top speed- FFE tuned for top end
            Cons/disadvantages- Average reduction again i dont know by how much though, ask joel.

            3. Both the two options- You will get an overall much better performance with torque as well as top speed but with a really poor mileage compared to the increase in performance.

            I do not have much knowledge about boring etc but it is a debatable issue and in my opinion longevity of the engine might be affected along with high maintainance costs.

            PBK is the Bajaj Probiking service centre

            I do not have experience of michelin tyres.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by DEvIl$ LAir View Post
              Ok so you need overall great power which i assume to be good low and mid-range torque along with power in the top end. So here goes-

              1. Low and mid range torque- K & N with upjetting (main jet size to 120)
              Cons/disadvantages- Average will be reduced by 5-7 atleast. Like if u are getting 42 then you will get about 35 (mixed riding conditions)

              2. Top end power/achieve high top speed- FFE tuned for top end
              Cons/disadvantages- Average reduction again i dont know by how much though, ask joel.

              3. Both the two options- You will get an overall much better performance with torque as well as top speed but with a really poor mileage compared to the increase in performance.

              I do not have much knowledge about boring etc but it is a debatable issue and in my opinion longevity of the engine might be affected along with high maintainance costs.

              PBK is the Bajaj Probiking service centre

              I do not have experience of michelin tyres.
              Great Dude.
              Am going for both.
              I have sent a PM to Joel about my interest of his hands on my bike, didnt get a reply yet.
              Oh! but will the MRF Zapper C 100/90-17 be enough for steadiness and road presence on these speeds and while doing cornering (in case I need it on high speeds, during tackling all of a sudden?)
              Tak care
              Last edited by ARNandal; 04-26-2010, 01:11 AM.
              Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
              If you lack these two then DONT

              Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
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              alwayzaLive . . .

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              • #22
                Hi so finally u have decided great!!
                Have you tried sending joel an e-mail, his email address is [email protected] . Try this because he might not log on to xbhp regularly but will surely check his e-mails everyday.
                Regarding tyres let me narrate to you a first hand experience-
                I rode my friends Pulsar 180 feb 2009 just last weekend which has zapper C 100/90-17 at the rear and a Zapper FS 2.75-17 at the front. Well we were riding on the Mumbai-Goa road and the bike was handling like a dream in the Ghats full of twisties. What more do you want?

                Again a wider tyre like 120 size might provide better grip but will reduce pick-up and top-speed and mileage. Whats the use? Its not worth it dude just because the tyre looks bigger
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                • #23
                  @ DEvIL$ LAir : So did you mean even after I get an FFE and related engine tuning from Joel 100/90 can do it all good. Joel said on some thread that FFE alone can bring 15% increase in performance and if he works on the Engine too. (Waiting for that day, will mail him right now)

                  Take care dude
                  Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                  If you lack these two then DONT

                  Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
                  __________________________________________

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                  alwayzaLive . . .

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                  • #24
                    With an FFE and a K&N on board the Zapper 100/90 should do a good job.
                    but if you do some other major engine mods from joel which really dramatically increase the power delivered to that rear wheel then the 100/90 may not be able to hold fort. Then you may need the pulsar 200's rear tyre i.e. 120/80 17 Zapper C/Zapper vyde. But since there is a dilemma here change the tyres after whatever mods you do. My advice would be do all the tweaking first (mods) and then ride the bike to judge for yourself what size tyre you need.

                    P.S.- In case you decide to go for 120/80-17, zapper vyde looks cooler than zapper C
                    Last edited by PRANAV D; 04-27-2010, 01:39 AM.
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                    • #25
                      @ DEvIL$ LAir: Yes dude that will be more better.

                      Take care
                      Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                      If you lack these two then DONT

                      Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
                      __________________________________________

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                      alwayzaLive . . .

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                      • #26
                        Your target performance has to achieved with the right machine. The pulsar for one is the wrong choice to derive more performance and reliability.
                        Engines which are engineered to handle more stress and have scope for improvement qualify best. Bajaj has pushed the envelope with the p220 engine in stock trim and its already at its brim.
                        The stock power rating of a given engine is not a factor to extract more power, but is based on the mechanical brilliance. Bajaj engines lack that edge.
                        We have few members on the forum who have projects completed by me which make enough power to keep them smiling for years and with reliability and fuel efficiency which will outclass its stock counterpart mostly. From 150cc to 260cc versions of different engines which make power anywhere between 18 to 30bhp, its always a version which has no relation to its stock sibling.
                        There is no point in pushing an engine while its not the best bet to mod.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Joel View Post
                          Your target performance has to achieved with the right machine. The pulsar for one is the wrong choice to derive more performance and reliability.
                          Engines which are engineered to handle more stress and have scope for improvement qualify best. Bajaj has pushed the envelope with the p220 engine in stock trim and its already at its brim.
                          The stock power rating of a given engine is not a factor to extract more power, but is based on the mechanical brilliance. Bajaj engines lack that edge.
                          We have few members on the forum who have projects completed by me which make enough power to keep them smiling for years and with reliability and fuel efficiency which will outclass its stock counterpart mostly. From 150cc to 260cc versions of different engines which make power anywhere between 18 to 30bhp, its always a version which has no relation to its stock sibling.
                          There is no point in pushing an engine while its not the best bet to mod.

                          Joel
                          Oh Joel !
                          so did you mean not to touch the engine for ffe or for boring and porting?
                          And can I go for a FFE tuned for topend and install it directly?
                          I read in some thread of yours that simple installation of it on pulsar180 can bring a 15% performance increase, so that might take my pulsar180 2008 to 140kmph and give some good power(Am I right?) And u mentioned there that you can work on the engine, so did u mean a problem with my UG3? Please help.
                          and elaborate on how to find the best ffe and install it (the method), the Pro's & Con's, what all things should I concentrate on. And what all things should I talk with the mechanic, or if you prefer taking it to you, am so glad .
                          And can I go for a K&N RC1060 with it.
                          Please tell me the cost of both, and the installation costs.
                          And how much will I be able to perform on my bike, the power mileage and top end.

                          Take care Joel
                          Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                          If you lack these two then DONT

                          Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
                          __________________________________________

                          . . .
                          alwayzaLive . . .

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                          • #28
                            ^all I'm saying is that the pulsar engine cant respond to tuning like other potent engines. As indians we seem to have sentimental values towards cars and bikes and forget the potential levels. Its like trying to make a donkey go as fast a horse.
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                            • #29


                              K agreed
                              Take care
                              Thank you for your interest...
                              But still sad
                              Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                              If you lack these two then DONT

                              Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
                              __________________________________________

                              . . .
                              alwayzaLive . . .

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                              • #30
                                Ah the genius speaks himself!
                                @ARNandal-
                                I think the essence of what joel is saying that a Pulsar engine may not have the potential to be modified further for extraction of more power,reliability as compared to a Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha mill. So it would be in vain to push the engine for performance.

                                P.S.- I still think a FFE tuned for top end would spice up your bike
                                (Automech,Daytona etc.)
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