dude if i go for the h4 hid kit first, i can't install them into the projectors later on
refer this


i had a same query so got it resolved...

Dude IMO this is the best solution, use HID in projector for low beam. Ellipsoidal as in P220 for High beam with halogen.

H4 projectors like Sajit has also is not great as reflectors for high beam.

You can't use HID for flashing, it ll not work !!

Ambition RR is cheaper. Around 600rs OEM.

P220 RR wont work as its 3 phase.

Let me warn you, projectors are very much hyped. Later don't blame saying its poor

Shreeni0403 can you pls answer my queries too?

no matter how bad they would be all i know is that it would be at least miles ahead than the current headlight i am using.

was planning to buy an ambition rr today itself
even karizma's rr is dc right?? just asking coz maybe if the service centre guy doesn't have ambition one's then? can i settle down with a karizma's and if he doesn't have that too then he'll regret me coming there!!!

i am confused again
2 projectors?? --- naa
1 projector bixenon ? ----hhmmm
1 proj low beam and halo high??? ----hmmmm

let me atleast buy an rr first

but again which rr?
proj + halo ---- apr rr
only 1 proj ----- ambition's rr

what to do?????????

Dude, go for Ambition if u've no plans for any extra aux lamps, if any just jump for APE RR which is very robust to handle any load. Ambition is already phased out model so getting them may be a pain, plus its only supporting 35W HL, same as with PUG4/XCD Choice is urs. ZMA and P220 is 3 phase. Now u decide PUG4/XCD? AMBITION/ APE RR

Dude u can upgrade step by step, go for RR upgrade for converting it to DC and see the diff with halo and then go for HID. Econo mod is coil rewinding with 55/60W halo max cost involved is 500/ My 2 cents.

sajjt, the problem is no mech in mumbai/pune can do coil rewinding. Yep, none whatsoever, I have been searching for past 4-5 years! Banglore guys have ruby motors, we don't have any such things.

I have never saw GS150 wiring till date, if possible can you post the wiring diagram so that Sajit/Abhi/I will be able to help you out.

First thing, do you really need projector ??

thank you.
i called up piaggio's showroom, they have given me the number for there svc and i'll head there tomorrow and buy it,
to be on the safer side i'll stick to piaggio as in the future if i need aux lamp or stuff so won't have to buy a new rr.

if i go to the place who does coil rewinding, will he know what to do exactly to fit ape rr (dc conversion) or after rewinding is done i go ahead and do it later by my self??

or should i take printouts of images put up and show him what i want?

[QUOTE=Shreeni0403;443178]I have never saw GS150 wiring till date, if possible can you post the wiring diagram so that Sajit/Abhi/I will be able to help you out.

if i install an hid (which is what i want to do ultimately) then ofcource i'll go for projector.

Its pretty simple work , any auto electrician can fix it easily. (Donno about fan winders). Better carry printout.

OT - Please use multi quotes instead of multiple posts.

can it be used in pulsar 135 ls?

135 ls if all dc i think.
you only need an hid kit.

wow....

dont bother,plonk a hid urs is full dc already so smile.

SOME MYTHS I NEED TO BREAK RIGHT NOW AS I AM SICK OF IT.......
1.PROJECTER IS GOOOOOOD AND ALWAYS GIVES BETTER LIGHT THEN THE GRANDPAS OLD REFLECTORS....wrong,seal beam or any clear reflecter is better for high beams and equally good for low beams,specially multireflecter ones are very very nice in controlling cutoff s in low beam so glare is not an issue,
projecters are good to spread in low beam and dont talk of less glare in high beam with projecters as the light is focussed at the ditant area glare is there,yes it is,unless you want the coolness of projecters or want to see all 20 feet of road just in front of you in a neatpicking manner multisurface reflecters are equally good..........period.

2.I WILL FIT KARIZMA RR AND MAKE IT A FULL DC BIKE YEAH,WHATS THE BIG DEAL,.OH,NO KARIZMA RR THEN THERE ARE SO MANY RR S IN THE MARKET P 220/P 180 UG4/XCD/AMBITION,WHY THE HELL I NEED APE RR FOR?................
YOU NEED A 3 PHASE 18 POLE MAGNETO FOR KARIZMA OR P 220 S RR,if u have that then go for it but u dont.
ug4/xcd rr are not single phase rr s and they have a bcu connecter for that scratch that,it will not work.ambition rr will fail in its first few days as the amp rating is low.

3.I DONT NEED REWINDING,ONLY APE RR WILL DO THE JOB AS ITS VERRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYY STRONG.......
it can work but there is a 70 % chance that ur charging will be underperformed.the voltage drop and discharging issues of battery can be there after few weeks not a 100% bullet proof job,better rewind.as u can feel the low or weak horn at 1 k rpm,less rpm while starting the starter motor.

4.I WILL REWIND THE COIL AND FIT A APE RR AND IT WILL PULL MY ENTIRE HOUSE S ELECTRICS ITS HAVING SOOOOO MUCH POWER.

wrong again,apart from the joke a very properly winded coil 7 poles and ape rr bearly makes so much power that it can pull 2 hids with most of the bikes electricals mostly leds .if you really go up to the limit of rewinding its just that much.yes the coil will be 150 watts but remember in real life after so much resistance you will notice the diff.you will be blessed and happy if your coil with its rewinded 7 poles can properly pull 2 hids and other electricals.its very very difficult to get it to that level.pulling a 100 watt halogen is a diff thing but pulling 2 hids is entierly another thing.the sheer power pull at first,in ase of hids is so huge that even a best possibly winded coil with its 7 poles just makes that much power that it can pull 2 hids +10 watt more.

5.REWINDING WIRE,I WILL GO WITH THE THICKEST WIRE.

remember you need 19 gauge motor wire min 12 feet per pole,else forget 2 hids. 18 gauge?you will not be able to pass 9 feet per pole,so total raw ac out will be less at 1k rpm less battery charging,no good,u will learn it the easy way or the hard way.

6.GLARE GLARE GLARE GLARE GLARE GLARE GLARE,SO I WILL GO FOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR PROJECTOR.......AS THERE WILL BE NO GLARE AT ALL IN LOW AND HIGH BEAMS......

,are u serious,common.low beam the cut is profound ,but just go a little bit further and look at the light,still no glare tell your friend to sit on the bikes rear it will lift now??still u say no glare,the light is so intense and the rainbow effect in the edges is so high due to chromatic stripling many of p 220 riders must have heard some unpleasant words in nights ,while they were on in low beam,now see a 2 two Thousand year old reflector specially the ones with multi reflector in it,see its not that bad,it also cuts off very well,must say here the throw is better in projector but that's it.
in case of high beam the light is focused at the distant road ,there will be glare be it a projector or be it a reflector .
the projector is not designed to bypass every drivers eye in front,but the reflector is more concentrated.

HID + REFLECTOR ,ARE YOU MAD???????.....ALWAYS PUT HIDS IN PROJECTERS.

ITS TRUE THE GLARE OF HID BULB IS HIGH BUT ..........
the latest gen bixenon bulbs which has a glare shield produce very much low glare.why i say low?because its a light and its glare will be there in any light,but its no worse then a 55 watt halogen in case of low beam.

high beam ,yes the glare is there,but thats the whole point,all types do.
i would say color temp is imp here,4300k is very much soothing to oncoming traffic.

here are some pics of my setup.............
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Wow what a long post yar and very informative too, I would like to give my 2 no 100 cents.


Very true dude, High beam should be concentrated to long distance and should not be restricted by any means. U just cant beat a old good refletor in HBms

I totally differ at least in case of HIDs as our reflectors are not meant for HIDs so is the glares and u've tried the focus issues too. Forgot? Low beam glares will be less in halos with reflectors just bcz of the the intensity of the light is very low compared to an HID so no one notices it. Make a halo projection of both reflector and a projector's low beams on a white wall and convince urself yar. If the projection beam is par with a reflector then why the hell all premium cars r equiped with expensive lenses? Just for fancy? I think once u experience with a projector, u'll not make this comment.

Yes and no, yes they r too good for low beam and yes glare is there in high beams but in a very controlled manner, after all glare should be there else, who will notice when u flash? But on HB mode on projectors, I wont say that u can see only 20ft, ur low beam projection area is more than 40 feet dude and yes u can still restrict by levelling it to high or low position depends upon the distance u want to see properly. If its mounted on a bike, lens is mounted very high compared to car so beam spread will be more good as the projection angle is more so more visibility. In HBm mode, sheild is not opening fully thats why its not impressive as in reflectors, but there r lens kits where the solenoid is located outside so full opening of the sheild can be performed like in fx series of lenses.

Dude, UG4/XCD RRs are single phase and bcu is just a microprocessor controlling the operations of the various switches and other saftey checks. Its nothing do with a RR, when AC is fed to RR the output is guaranteed, I've tried both for myself and settled with APE just because of the robust performance of it. I've done with a very wide choice of DC RRs available by borrowing from my friends bikes. Other 2 can handle very less current rating compared to APE RR. I've'nt tried Ambition but it should work without any issues as its a proven RR and haven't heard any complaints about it.


In that case u dont need to go for APE RR or coil rewinding, go for P-UG4/XCD RR to settle with a single HID and other stock fittings. Stock coil will be a min of 50-60W to feed the stock loads. Thats more than enough to feed a 35W HID and other stock requirements. Note that our idle rpm will be 1k and within that range even APE RR wont charge much, may be it can differ in ur case as u've taken the whole 7 poles as a single coil. But on riding even in city too min rpm will be around 2-3K is enough for ideal charging. City drive will be of on low gears and will be with the above range. Am I right? only b2b traffic can make the things worse, that's happening in APE too but it compensate with the boost in higher rpms.


Nice

I've got a nice greet from car driver who was least bothered about his HBm when I flashed continously on my friends P220, and my friend too certifies that its a killer in flashing, imagine what could be Rahul's HID on HB?

Multireflectors r not reducing any glares but its increasing bcz of their design and its designed to work with a halo not with HID, u might've convinced with ur new aux hid with a round sealed beam. Round sealed beams offers more precised focus rather than any other shapes and now adays very few with round domes, hence the MFR for other reflectors.

Dude, u r mistaken, glare sheild in an HID makes the dual beam effect with the help of the solenoid. When the solenoid is activated, bulb pulls back where is a gap in the sheild which is allowing the light to reflect the bottom side of the reflector to get HBm. Normal case ie; low beam it will be above the sheild gap so no light is directly falling on the bottom side of the reflector and hence not much glares but this is not eliminating fully but partially. See the bulb position of the HID bulb in the pic



Here's how the Low beam works


And this is how High beam works


There's one more cap on the top of some of the HID bulbs which is to cover direct glaring to the on comers eyes but once u remove it u can see more vivdly the sign boards. AFAIK its as per european standards.

Glare in an HID on a reflector is much much more than a Halo which is obvious and no need of comparision. Try the above projection on a wall and see that, like u said every bulb makes glares but its the intensity makes it more worse. Ofcourse CT plays a role but not in glares, its for the visibility for the driver and u'll get noticed easily just bcz of the diff CT, Above 6K its a pain in case of visibility for the driver as well as the on comer, since its got a different colour and high intensity people have a tendancy to stare at it thats all.

Ur pic doesnt convays anything about glares but its convays that u've got a fantastic beamspread instead. Dont feel offended, I've shared what I found, no hurt feelings, no offence. dude.

@sajan

its all because of your precice and informative posts i've been mad about projectors lot more than hid...

thanks a lot doc and sajit for sharing your thoughts....

by the
i'm going to buy ape rr now to the piaggio's workshop more than 20kms away, hope the rain doesn't spoil my excitement

will update soon.