Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

[rachitkdogra]

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No worries mate, everyone have their own opinions, but we can only say Yamaha needs to find someone like Masao Furusawa then they can be back on right track.
BTW what's your opinion on Yamaha not letting or utilising Jorge Lorenzo's talent in private tests?

Absolutely brother!! Having different opinions gives different perspectives.

Honestly, I am not really confident of the relationship between Yamaha and Lorenzo when he left. Dani could be an excellent test rider too.
I don't think Yamaha has shortage of people who can provide good test feedback. Its about going and doing it.

I think somewhere these tyres maybe just do not suit the Yamaha's philosophy of making higher corner speed bikes. Not sure really sure if they will be able to turn this around.

Rachit

[bharatheshk]

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I think Yamaha riders were into the discussion on this page and have replied ,atleast in qualifying.Now to see how it pans out in the race.

[€lixir]

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I think Yamaha riders were into the discussion on this page and have replied ,atleast in qualifying.Now to see how it pans out in the race.

Misano turned out to be good for Yamaha but for Fabio and Viñales wasn't perfect day, the former being under pressure and later one as expected went with wrong strategy, cannot yet say he's contender or future for Yamaha or Yamaha dis mistake by signing him . Morbidelli showed consistency from begging without losing pace, Rossi was great in his home turf but starting losing pace to his VR46 protege Bagnaia & Suzuki riders in final laps.

[rachitkdogra]

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Misano turned out to be good for Yamaha but for Fabio and Viñales wasn't perfect day, the former being under pressure and later one as expected went with wrong strategy, cannot yet say he's contender or future for Yamaha or Yamaha dis mistake by signing him . Morbidelli showed consistency from begging without losing pace, Rossi was great in his home turf but starting losing pace to his VR46 protege Bagnaia & Suzuki riders in final laps.

Yeah, considering next race again is on the same track, Yamaha boys should be looking forward to putting some decent points on the board. Really uncharacteristic of Fabio to make 2 mistakes. God knows what is wrong with Vinales, he just does not seem to get everything right on a sunday.

I think Rossi struggles with edge grip during the later half of the race.

To me, this is good opportunity for Fabio and Vinales for their title contender ship, although the 1st race didn't go very well. Fingers crossed for the next one.

Rachit

[bharatheshk]

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Another first time winner in the season and brilliant rides by all the podium finishers ,i was hoping for a 200th podium for Rossi but a brilliant overtake by Mir meant he deserved the podium . VR 46 team had a brilliant home weekend with top 2 riders in Moto GP and top 2 in Moto 2 ,Rossi has already thought of his next stage with VR 46 team set to enter Moto GP .He has been a great mentor to all these Italian riders which in turn has kept him updated to the younger lot.

[xBhp]

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Hello, everyone. I am back with another apology for the radio silence. Have been really caught up. So much so that I was only able to watch the GPs and not Moto2 and Moto3 on both the occasions. And I'd say that squeezing out the time for the races has been more than worth it.

Misano 1 was Morbidelli's day and it was a long time coming. Misano 2 kinda fell apart because he was already ill. Yet, because of the plethora of crashes, he still salvaged a top 10. Gritty.

About Bagnaia, he had shown in Jerez that he was coming into his own, a track known to be difficult for the Ducatis. And then again, Misano, a difficult hunting ground for the Desmosedici and yet, he showed fierce pace in the race. Misano 2 was another heartbreak for him but I am not too sure about how I feel about him thinking that it was a tear-off or some dirt. Maybe there was and we may never know. Yet, It can't be denied that the pressure of a chasing Vinales was also getting to him. He was on a soft rear and Vinales had a medium. Also, Vinales, infamously, shows tremendous pace as the race progresses so the chances that he might have caught Bagnaia were strong. At any rate, it was a great run for the Italian and his time will come soon.

Also, he is seemingly riding that Ducati the best and is it just me that he is riding very differently than the other Ducati riders? It usually involves a lot of sliding and that V-shaped line and what not but Pecco almost looks like he's riding a Yamaha. Smooth and consistent. Until his unfortunate crash, his lap times throughout were within 5-6 tenths variation. Do let me know your thoughts on this.

Now, I just have to talk about Mir. How good is that guy? The GSX-RR is strong, yes, but what a rider he is! In Misano 1, Rins struggled so hard to pass Rossi and ultimately couldn't whereas Mir just came and conquered. He passed both Rins and Rossi in quick succession and almost looked like he didn't break a sweat. He managed to get through Rossi's defences without being even cheeky, much less rash. Clean, and a thing of beauty. And then, Misano 2. Again, Quartarraro struggled to pass Pol (who I must say defended valiantly till the very end), and Mir just made mince meat of both of them and again, squeaky clean. I am rooting for Mir real hard and he may not have a win under his belt till date, but the Spaniard is in 4th place in the championship standings and just 4 points away from the leader Dovi! With the consistency he has shown, he really has a chance and a half of winning the thing.

I also wanted to vent a little about Vinales and the people who have been on him. I agree that he botches up a lot and is kinda finicky about stuff. But he does get the job done on odd days. His struggles with the M1 remind me of Lorenzo in Ducati. The poor guy kept asking for a small mod to the tank but they couldn't get him what he wanted. He just wanted to be able to hold on to the motorcycle better. And ultimately, a couple of hundred dollars (maybe even less) was what it took to fix a million-dollar motorcycle for him. And then, it was demolition. Those who said Lorenzo can't dogfight, he certainly had his gloves off against none other than Marquez. I wonder if something of that sort can fix Vinales too because there is no doubt that the guy is freaking fast.

But then, he also has a lot to figure out because getting flustered amidst a crowded grid is not the best thing for his chances. Yesterday's race, those who think he got lucky are in the same boat as the people saying the this championship is invalid without 93. All those guys are out there, gritting their teeth and fighting their a**es off so the championship holds value with out without 93. And Vinales was anyway starting to catch up to Bagnaia so nothing can be taken away from his victory. I just hope he stays on course because when it is his day, he is a joy to watch and even more so to watch him fight (Dutch TT, Assen, 2018). As always, do chime in with your thoughts.

Quartarraro needs to get his bearings in place. I am more worried because it has happened to him before. A string of great showings and then, a few hiccups and he loses his sh*t. What he did in the pits after the race was very unsportsman-like. Mistakes occur but you do not back out of your own saying that I am not focussing on the championship and then be all bothered about a couple of not-so-good outings. But anyway, I am still very hopeful that he'll get it together.

Rumors: Rossi looking into Sky VR46 Racing Team in the premier class! 2022. Suzuki also wants a satellite team and I am sure I had read that they were also looking into 2022 as the year to do it. I believe that'll be a heck of a partnership because looking at how the GSX-RRs are going right now and the development that has happened with just 2 riders, 4 might just make them the next Honda in terms on dominance. And in their case, it probably won't be just the rider.

Anyway, I request everyone else to share their thoughts on the races and riders as well as we eagerly await the coming Sunday!

[bharatheshk]

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Finally Fabio gets his game back online and what a day for Suzuki with a double podium .Mir as usual rode a brilliant race and with Rins looking stronger at the end Suzuki is inching to a win shortly.Disappointing day for Rossi ,Pol,Zarco and Dovi .Franco looked good at the beginning but his grip was gone towards the end.Vinales with a bad start was disappointing again.

Marini had a flawless race to pip Lowes to the flag and consolidating his lead with Bastianini struggling and Martin not finishing.

Brilliant riding by D.Binder to get his first win in Moto 3.Arenas unfortunately wiped out by McPhee giving Ogura and Vietti some breathing space though both had a forgetful weekend .

[€lixir]

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Rumors: Rossi looking into Sky VR46 Racing Team in the premier class! 2022. Suzuki also wants a satellite team and I am sure I had read that they were also looking into 2022 as the year to do it. I believe that'll be a heck of a partnership because looking at how the GSX-RRs are going right now and the development that has happened with just 2 riders, 4 might just make them the next Honda in terms on dominance. And in their case, it probably won't be just the rider.

Welcome back sir, what are your opinions about changes in 2022? I read somewhere, Petronas SIC Racing Team is currently unhappy with Factory Yamaha similar to that,what was with Tech3, it may be rumors. Another is VR46 will step in Premier class without promotion and could take over SIC's operation or could be Suzuki's satellite as Rossi has good relation with Suzuki team manager Davide Brivio but still doubt as Suzuki want satellite team but their parent company still doesn't want.

[xBhp]

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Finally Fabio gets his game back online and what a day for Suzuki with a double podium .Mir as usual rode a brilliant race and with Rins looking stronger at the end Suzuki is inching to a win shortly.

Indeed, Marini is showing demoralizing (for everyone else) pace and it seems like he has a bright future ahead of him. But then, we've said that for a lot of racers and quite a few of them just faded away. I hope that is not the case here but then, those big-league bikes are not kind to everyone.

Mir, flawless again. I just hope he figures out a way to a better qualifying but the Suzuki is best suited for race pace and that too, in the latter half when the tyres of the competitors start crapping out and the GSX-RR's nursed ones still have a lot left. One could say that the Suzuki is just not fast enough (over a single lap when there's no one around) because the race pace is generally more than a second off quali-pace. But Suzuki have made the bike better in so many ways, so I am sure they'll figure this out too. I just hope it happens soon because Mir will need everything he has (and then some) along with a competitive package to make sure he's ready when 93 returns. The way Mir ate into Quartararo's lead, he himself admitted that one more lap and Mir would have gotten him.

About Quarta, it was a tough one. He had been down and doubters already started to bog him down. Good for him that he was able to get his bearings together. Now, I have a rather tricky question for everyone.

How many of you actually feel that Quartararo is lacking a little in mental toughness?

I mean I know he's a rookie but the way he was left directionless after a few difficult outings was a little disheartening. You see, there are visible differences. To fight Marquez, you have to have that singular focus. That little runt from Cervera is like the Terminator. Relentless. He crashes, he gets straight back up, unflustered. He feels like something went wrong, he doesn't raise his arms with surprise conveying What the heck happened? Instead, the first thing he tries is to pick up that bike and finish. In the race, he doesn't think about doubters, haters, media or anybody else. And it has been that way with him ever since he arrived on the scene.

Maybe my glasses are tinted but from my point of view, it is a difficult road ahead for Quarta because he knows he can win, we know he can win so not winning now may leave him the same way as a certain Top Gun. The one guy who I think can rival Marc and who is already on the grid, Binder. Rins and Mir, of course, but Binder. I just hope he does not fade away and bides his time. Again, these are my opinions and I would love to hear all of yours.

Welcome back sir, what are your opinions about changes in 2022?

Not the 'sir', please. Here, we're all a bunch of bike lovers who love bigger bike lovers go crazy on crazy machines.

Anyway, about what you said, I have also been reading up a lot. Petronas not very comfortable with Yamaha (the reason I guess is placing Rossi there whereas Petronas SRT is happier investing in younger riders, not to take anything away from the 46). So we can't really be sure. Maybe Petronas continues with Yamaha and VR46 becomes a Suzuki satellite outfit. Maybe Rossi gets Yamahas for the VR46 and Petronas, Suzuki (this seems a little more likely now, just a little). Dorna wants another satellite team.

So you see, all teams except Aprilia and Suzuki have one. Aprilia... I am not too sure if they have the means (at the moment) to do that. Suzuki in this case finds itself in the prime position. Ducati is running 3 teams which is... I don't know how to term that.

The relatively sturdier facts are; Leopard wants to be in the Premier Class, Rossi may also want VR46 to be there as well but Moto3 and Moto2 are very different from GP so there's that, and Avintia is not too sure about continuing according to the rumours.

Here's what 'could' happen:

-Avintia goes and the replacement has two options, either stick with Bologna or go to Noale. Even Hamamatsu may be an option but unlikely. I feel Leopard fits this bill the best.

-Petronas goes to Suzuki and VR46 to Yamaha or vice-versa.

The only thing is, with the politics that goes on, factories would hate it if a satellite outfit were to show them up. And VR46 would definitely aim for championships. That's the big loophole here.

Absurd theory: VR46 takes up a factory outfit, in all probability Yamaha and it is very much possible because the 46 is a brand and sponsors will be all for that. Highly unlikely but very exciting!

As always, requesting everyone to chime in with their thoughts and opinions.

Another fun thing that I read: The riders on the grid are getting ready to test Portimao but they can't use MotoGP bikes. Every manufacturer has their own superbike out there except... KTM! So they have the option to choose what they like from their competitors offerings.

Guess what Pol goes with? Rhymes with 'Wire-Laid'

[HyperRetard]

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https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/missing-marc

[bharatheshk]

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Should be another interesting race tomorrow going by the qualifying with Quarta in pole and 2 Ducati's in the front row , surprisingly Petrucci in 3rd.The track temp might play a significant part in the race tomorrow. Will be a tough race for the Suzuki's with both Mir , Rins and Binder not making out of Q1 .The last minute of qualifying was hectic but Quarta got the job done.I feel Moto GP should also award a point to the pole setter or to the fastest lap in the race like in F1 now ,will get very interesting.

[bharatheshk]

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You wish for an interesting race and this season throws up another curve ball.First the organisers decide to change the Moto GP timings to help the riders and as if on cue it starts raining on the start grid and it becomes a wet race ,then on the first lap the most experienced rider loses it and three Ducati's take the lead .As the race goes on the wet weather 'masters' as such crash out one by one and Petrucci get's the job done when least expected to become the seventh different winner this season .Alex finally lives upto the faith shown by Honda and gets his first podium with Pol in third.

In contrast Moto 2 gets a drying track and Lowes rode brilliantly to win at the expense of Dixon who rode perfectly till 5 laps when he crashed out and was inconsolable in the pits.Gardner is improving every race and Bezzechi finished third.Marini after his horrible high side on friday finished out of the points but with Martin crashing out and Bastianini finishing low, championship seems safe for now.

Vietti was perfect in Moto 3 ,with Arenas in third and Ogura finishing low the championship is getting closer.

[bharatheshk]

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With Rossi out of the next 2 races we may have Lorenzo back on a Yamaha though it remains to be seen whether he is fit to manage a full race at pace meanwhile hopefully Marc will be back for the 2nd race at Aragon to add a new twist to this season.

[Vijay1911]

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It was really suprising to me, why AD04 was not informed through dashboard message, about DP9, who was constantly following him and improving his time? In both the runs for Q1, DP9 did that. AD04 was furious after Q1, he threw a glove in his garage wall, something rare from AD04. Felt sad for him, AD04 is fighting for Championship and DP9 somewhat screwing his last attempt and Ducati is just watching this.

[Vijay1911]

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With Rossi out of the next 2 races we may have Lorenzo back on a Yamaha though it remains to be seen whether he is fit to manage a full race at pace meanwhile hopefully Marc will be back for the 2nd race at Aragon to add a new twist to this season.

VR46 wont be replaced on Gran Premio de Teruel.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/10/18/rossi-will-not-be-replaced-at-the-teruel-grand-prix/351657