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    The Bajaj patriarch Rahul is finally veering around to dropping the family name as a brand for products saying son Rajiv is making the right moves.
    Lauding Rajiv, who is the Managing Director of the firm while addressing shareholders in its annual report for 2009-10, Rahul said it pleased him that the company is leveraging its key brands to maximise profits.

    "Your Managing Director often says that while products may generate market share, brands provide pricing power and create higher profits. I am increasingly tending to agree with him," the senior Bajaj wrote.
    His comment is in contrast to the opinion he expressed earlier about the changes brought in by his son on the branding front.

    Rajiv had said the 'Bajaj' name will be done away with from the motorcycles as the brand has been diluted, having presence from electricals to insurance to automobiles.

    The junior Bajaj had said: "Bajaj is a bit like a zoo", while stressing that products like the Pulsar, Boxer, Discover have become brands by themselves, as a result of which the Bajaj brand has become "more like a garage".

    The father, however, had ruled out dropping the 'Bajaj' brand, as opposed to an idea toyed by Rajiv, saying: "As of now the answer is no. But after 10 year, who knows? As of now the Bajaj name will be there." The senior Bajaj was also quite vocal in expressing unhappiness when his eldest son decided to bring down curtains to the scooters, thus ending the saga of 'Humara Bajaj' in December last year.

    "I feel bad, I feel hurt... I can't say harm the company and its shareholders by doing something you should not do...
    But I am still not convinced. He (Rajiv) has tried to explain it to me," Rahul had said.However, Rajiv had reacted stating: "I care less for the solution from emotions, I believe more in the magic of logic." Commenting on the company's financial performance in 2009-10, Rahul said: "Your company's performance has not been about 'buying' market shares through various pricing deals." "Instead, it is about gaining share through better quality and branding ¿ thus having the customer willing to pay higher prices for better value," he added.

    The company's net sales and other operating income last fiscal increased by 35 per cent to Rs 11,900 crore, while its net profit jumped 160 per cent at Rs 1,700 crore.


    Rahul Bajaj lauds son's 'magic of logic' - Yahoo! India News

  • #2
    News Approved.
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    • #3
      IMO.. its a stupid move...

      Today Pulsar is a bigger brand than Bajaj, and it will overshadow the brand "Bajaj Auto" in no time.... that can be very risky....!

      Imagine how much effort it would require launching a new lineage... which is NOT from the Pulsar heritage....

      Doing away with Bajaj branding wouldnt do it any good, but can do it harm... why take a chance... promote both!
      Bajaj Pulsar, Bajaj Discover, Bajaj Boxer (bring this back!) make so much sense!!!!

      PS: TVS is smarter in this context, the are promoting TVS racing lineage rather than TVS RTR.... no wonder they can sell products without a lot of adveritsing as well!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
        PS: TVS is smarter in this context, the are promoting TVS racing lineage rather than TVS RTR.... no wonder they can sell products without a lot of adveritsing as well!

        Promoting racing lineage is OK.. but TVS does still spend a lot in promoting its products.


        In 2009, after Hero Honda, TVS spent the most in terms of TV Ads (among the two wheeler brands). News Source

        >> The RTR 180 "Racing DNA unleashed" Ad was the most flashed ad in 2009.

        >> The TVS Scooty Streak "Ab peeche kyun baithna?" (Sania Mirza ) Ad was also shown a lot in 2009

        >> The Star City "Star hai yaar tu" (Dhoni) ad


        >> Even currently, the 'Jive' ("Oye Nayee Bike..!!)"- Ad and

        >> 'TVS Sport' ("Wah.. wah mere bhai ke liye") ads are flashed almost every day.

        >> the Scooty Pep+ "Babelicious" ads are also doing the rounds these days.

        >> Waiting for the TVS Wego ad to hit the Idiot box.



        Last edited by payeng; 07-21-2010, 06:00 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by payeng View Post
          Promoting racing lineage is OK.. but TVS does still spend a lot in promoting its products.

          In 2009, after Hero Honda, TVS was the most spender in terms of TV Ads among the two wheeler brands.

          >> The RTR 180 "Racing DNA unleashed" Ad was the most flashed ad in 2009.

          >> The TVS Scooty Streak "Ab peeche kyun baithna?" (Sania Mirza ) Ad


          >> Even currently, the 'Jive' ("Oye Nayee Bike..!!"- Ad and 'Sport' ("Wah.. wah mere bhai ke liye") ads are flashed almost every day.

          >> the Scooty Pep+ "Babelicious" ads are also doing the rounds these days.



          Agreed, I was giving RTR as an example to Pulsar, thats probably the closest Indian bike that anyone could relate to.

          Never the less, all the other ads promote the bike\scoots with the TVS tag.

          Heck! At places TVS is promoted as Trust Value Service, making it very evident that they still want to relate to the TVS lineage!

          The problem with the brand 'pulsar' is it that there are definite n parameters to it... the moment you want to introduce a product with a new parameter it will be very difficult.

          As an example,

          Say Bajaj wants to launch a comeback scooter... which one will be easy to brand with the pulsar lineage...?
          A smart sporty one?
          A girly, or easy scoot?


          Thats the problem of promoting a product MORE than its parent brand.
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          • #6
            Yes. Frankly speaking, I don't see what's so great about this move...

            Secondly, their logic about "different managers for Pulsar and Discover brands, so that they can specialize in manufacturing performance bikes and commuting bikes respectively" is not too robust, is it?
            I mean, even commuter bikes and performance bikes can have a lot in common, including bigger carburettors, digital dashboards, DTSi & its variations, ExhausTEC, etc.
            My point is that mostly, technologies used to improve commuter bikes can also improve performance bikes, and vice versa.

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            • #7
              the logic is illogical........ it seems that Bajaj(junior one) wants to waste money by making its products as brands....... its their money, let them waste it....... will they be having different R&D section for different products........
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              • #8
                It'll be interesting to note how this works out eventually.

                But I am sure that the success or failure of this strategy would probably become a case study for management students in the future.



                Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                Agreed, I was giving RTR as an example to Pulsar, thats probably the closest Indian bike that anyone could relate to.

                Never the less, all the other ads promote the bike\scoots with the TVS tag.
                There.. you can clearly make out how much of money TVS has to spend on expensive TV ads to promote "so many" products/brands.




                Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                the moment you want to introduce a product with a new parameter it will be very difficult.

                As an example,

                Say Bajaj wants to launch a comeback scooter... which one will be easy to brand with the pulsar lineage...?
                A smart sporty one?
                A girly, or easy scoot?


                Thats the problem of promoting a product MORE than its parent brand.

                That's definitely a point to ponder.



                Last edited by payeng; 07-21-2010, 06:08 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                  Yes. Frankly speaking, I don't see what's so great about this move...

                  Secondly, their logic about "different managers for Pulsar and Discover brands, so that they can specialize in manufacturing performance bikes and commuting bikes respectively" is not too robust, is it?
                  I mean, even commuter bikes and performance bikes can have a lot in common, including bigger carburettors, digital dashboards, DTSi & its variations, ExhausTEC, etc.
                  My point is that mostly, technologies used to improve commuter bikes can also improve performance bikes, and vice versa.

                  BTW Where does the Avenger go now?
                  Internal operations are usually not as stuborn as PRs. No one would care a rats arse if you call your one vertical Performance Product Group and a Commuter Product Group. Besides, grooming similar mindsets does help in operational effeciency... but thats usually a hogwash, besided being a different topic.


                  Originally posted by pads View Post
                  the logic is illogical........ it seems that Bajaj(junior one) wants to waste money by making its products as brands....... its their money, let them waste it....... will they be having different R&D section for different products........
                  Hello, I am a share holder too... Part owner! Its my money too


                  Originally posted by payeng View Post
                  It'll be interesting to note how this works out eventually.

                  But I am sure that the success or failure of this strategy would probably become a case study for management students in the future.


                  There.. you can clearly make out how much of money one has to spend on expensive TV ads to promote "so many" products/brands.

                  That's definitely a point to ponder.
                  Yeah but there line of products are much wider than Bajajs.... and luckily for them, they have a broader and more recognised product suite! But the point here was that you will probably never see a ad for "TVS" but if Bajaj ventures down this line, a few years later may be you will see a "Bajaj" one.

                  Whether it works in future or not, is a nice discussion, but rightnow with the info we have, its a bit stupid!

                  May be its a wise decision, considering Bajaj wants to shed the Two Wheeler maker tag, and jump on to the low cost cars band wagon, then yeah... makes sense!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                    May be its a wise decision, considering Bajaj wants to shed the Two Wheeler maker tag, and jump on to the low cost cars band wagon, then yeah... makes sense!
                    there are many players(Honda, BMW) who are in both 2-wheeler & multi-wheeler........ even M&M came to 2-wheeler market....... so, Bajaj can also go for both the categories....... but why this strange thing........
                    let's wait n watch........
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                    • #11
                      I am interested in Pulsar Bike not in his brand name.
                      All I want they keep the bike to atleast its level and dont spoil it.
                      Pick up a ride and rewrite yourself to a new Identity.....

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                      • #12
                        I am interested in Pulsar Bike not in his brand name.
                        All I want they keep the bike to atleast its level and dont spoil it.
                        Pick up a ride and rewrite yourself to a new Identity.....

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                        • #13
                          It is quite simple. Would you buy a Casio camera or a Nikon camera? People are ready to pay more for name.

                          Imagine a small car from Ferrari which is made to make profit for the company. The car is a regular hatchback which does not go beyond 150 kmph. Will the name Ferrari hold the same value?

                          Similarly an autorickshaw maker makes sporty bikes in India. Some people don't buy these bikes because of same reasons! I will also think twice before going for TVS because it makes cute scooters. Really raises questions on company's attitude.Also because streetbikes are not the kind of bikes which are raced on tracks.

                          IMHO Bajaj should rename itself,or create a specialised dept. It should bring in a new bike platform with new name, which will create a better brand image. It must tell the whole world what attitude it has.

                          Just an idea, Discover name is very well suited for a touring bike platform.

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                          • #14
                            Its a dumb idea...Bajaj is a big name now..i mean unlike before the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear "Bajaj" is not Electrical's etc...it is BIKES!
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                            • #15
                              I think its a good idea.. Bajaj SHOULD have a separate brand name for the 2/3 wheelers.. because they have a wide range of products being manufactured under the brand name 'BAJAJ' like fans, CFLs etc etc..

                              So, there should be some difference between a brand which produces electrical items and the one that produces bikes/commercial vehicles..

                              So from my side, its a Thumps up to Bajaj..
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