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The topic of this thread is: "Rahul mulls return to scooter manufacturing, Rajiv says 'No'"



Till here, the post seems to be from a mature one..


Why the above stinker then..?? Isn't that calling for more OT..??


What about OT stinkers like the one above..??

I can very well read and understand what the topic is..........
But I really regret that this OT alert did not sound when the precursors of the thread going OT were being laid.

This thread was meant to discuss the news which will have discussions about Bajaj and the scooter market and Bajaj as the scooter maker.

But all of a sudden posts started coming which said that Bajaj thrashing other manufacturers in motorcycle market, motorcycles from certain manufacturers are not good enough and this and that..........the only glitch is that the OT alert didn't sound then.

Hopefully,since the OT stinkers have been well marked now, I only hope that people avoid those stinkers while sharing their views.

Ok.. OT alert for them too.

Sorry for OT:

OK Vipin.. there is scope for improvement on Pulsar.. that's what Bajaj is doing.. they are improving it with every iteration.

FZ/Uni/Hunk/GS are good machines, but tell you what, they suck big time on various points such as pickup/mileage/straight line stabiilty under hard braking/spares availability & cost... (not that all of these points apply to all the bikes) that's exactly the reason why people are buying Pulsar.. it's a very good all rounder. I can clearly understand that you can't appreciate Bajaj products. If you want to discuss more on this.. may be you can open separate thread for debate on why Pulsar/Discover sells more than the high quality/ultra reliable/extremely refined hondas/yammies & zuzukis.. and that from honda's contract manufacturer Hero.

No comeback in scooter segment, focus on bikes: Rajiv Bajaj

NEW DELHI: The country's second largest two-wheeler maker Bajaj Auto today reiterated it will not make a comeback to the Indian scooter segment in immediate future as it aims a bigger share in the global motorcycle market.

"We are a motorcycle company... We will remain focused on motorcycles," Bajaj Auto Managing Director Rajiv Bajaj said at an All India Management Association conference here.

He was replying to a query on reports quoting the company Chairman Rahul Bajaj that Bajaj Auto may consider re-entering into the scooter market.

"The world market for motorcycles is of 35 million units and Bajaj will end this fiscal by selling only 3.5 million units. We have a market share of 10 per cent, and so we have headroom for 90 per cent growth," Bajaj said.

In the April-January period this fiscal, the company sold 19,89,377 bikes in the domestic market as against 14,11,259 units in the same period last year, up 40.96 per cent.

Bajaj Auto's export during the period has also grown by 35.78 per cent to 8,36,617 units as against 6,16,135 units in the same period a year ago.

When asked why the company stopped production of its scooters, Bajaj said: "We did not phase out, but people stopped buying scooters."

In December 2009, the company had announced that it would stop making scooters by end of 2009-10 fiscal, thus bringing down the curtains on 'Hamara Bajaj', which revolutionised the two-wheeler market in the country.

However, since the auto major stopped making scooters, the segment has witnessed a significant growth, led by gearless scooters from Honda Motorcycle & Scooter India, which is the market leader in the segment now.

In the April-January period this fiscal, the Indian scooter market has witnessed a growth of 46.57 per cent at 16,97,204 units as against 11,57,902 units in the comparable period last fiscal, as per Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers Association (SIAM) data.

The Pune-based two-wheeler maker on the other hand is focusing on motorcycles, offering a range of models such as Discover, Pulsar and has even increased stake in Austrian bike maker KTM Power Sports AG to nearly 38.09 per cent as it looks to expand presence globally.

Bajaj Auto and KTM have been jointly developing products and the first of the co-developed products, KTM Duke 125, will hit European markets this year. The KTM models are supposed to be launched in India during the second half this year.

Source: No comeback in scooter segment, focus on bikes: Rajiv Bajaj - The Economic Times

I wonder how can "someone" bad-mouth about "certain brand" so often (in fact I don't think he/she has missed any opportunity to do it) and still be a part of Xbhp

If "someone" hates a "certain brand" why does he/she even bother checking the thread, posting provocative statements and wasting his/her's along with others' time...

P.S.:I am assuming the rules here are same for everyone, no matter who he/she is or how long he/she has been a member of the community. Correct me if I am wrong

+1. Not just that, they struck a chord with the mindset of the typical upcoming Indian Consumer.

Disagree. The biggies in the industry have always priced their products at a premium. The reasons may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and can be as diverse as material costs/labor costs/brand premium..etc. This in no way means that they have not known anything about the art of Value-for-Money pricing as you put it.

Agree...to each, his own.

I think the reliability factor of Bajaj bikes has sadly been a myth blown out of proportions by people who have never owned a Pulsar. I can show photographs of garages where there are more HHs/Yamahas than Bajaj bikes.
A lot of xBhpians have Pulsars and they swear by the reliability shown by these bikes.


Hate to point out, but dude, are you serious on the bold statements? If yes, its time for some reality check.


Agreed...you will find a lot of FZs in Pune. Now, applying the same principle that you have quoted, it may not be because of the product; it may simply be because these buyers were enticed into buying the FZ by their friends. The typical Indian "Macho" tendancy to ride "Macho" machines with a big fat rear and kick a$$ looks; in this they may not worry about the fact that all FZs have engines that can guzzle fuel at an alarming rate as compared to any other 150-160 CC machine in the market.
So, ideally all products sell because of brand affinity, hearsay, influence and marketing schemes. Some do surely use their brain and get what they require though.

make no mistake about it, Bajaj will take a lot of time to garner customer confidence and get their share of loyal customers in the scooter segment. Prime reason being lack of a "proper" product in that segment. Ever since the all conquering "Chetak" and "Super" series was stopped, Bajaj did not have any product capable of taking the fight to the products from the Honda stable.
Today, the word scooter has become synonymous with Activa and it will take a long time for Bajaj to shatter that. The only silver lining is that Suzuki has proved that with a quality product, it is possible to get loyal customers.

I'm with you on this for a single reason; competition improves the breed.

Right said KK. Unfortunately, every forum/posting space that I have ever been to, there have been a lot of Bajaj haters. You may not find a lot of people complaining about a lot of things on a lot of other bikes...but a single grouse from a Bajaj customer renders the entire brand useless. Pity such pathetic attitudes.

Well if Bajaj,TVS and Honda are considered as biggies,they are a deviation from the above quoted fact.Their products are relatively at discount.


Now, Pulsar is not the only brand of Bajaj and apart from that reliability factor and service record of Bajaj products that I have are conveyed to me by Bajaj owners only.No one can shed a better light otherwise.



I can bet my years here at Xbhp on it.If you need clarification we can carry it out over visitor messages instead of going Off-Topic here.


It is better to be a responsible owner than a fan boy............needless to say I too had a Pulsar 180DTSi black version once,but I like considering things without bias.It is a question of hard earned money that's put up for a bike and no company pays revenues for supporting them.

However,aren't we speaking too much motorcycles on a meant for scooter thread ??? The purpose of this thread now somehow seems lost.

Which brings me to,
The which brand is better and why not OT stinking race has started again, I hope some one red flags this race.

Are you sure you are doing that here?? so far you are eager to deride any brand that is remotely connected to Bajaj.. you say Kawasaki is copy cat.. KTM is nothing.. if you don't know much about KTM/Kawasaki then better not talk abou them. Show some respect for what they stand for. If you don't know.. just stop badmouthing them or atleast backup your comments with facts. What makes you think the other companies will keep quiet if someone else is copying their technology/ideas?

Contract bound technical know how sharing............that does not makes some company copycat.
The alliance of Suzuki and Kawasaki had been there around since a decade and when the motorcycle industry was in a bad phase in India.No one bothered on what went on outside India and with the big four then.


A person can never judge a fact if he misunderstands the total thing.

Hence,neither it is your imperative to judge what or how much I know about KTM and Kawasaki, all I can tell I do know more than you, otherwise you would not have had been debating me.You are making things too personal to discuss.

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