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  • #16
    Originally posted by surya220 View Post
    Once the LokPal Bill is passed successfully, we might be able to see some real rules being implemented..
    64 years of independece has passed & we've almost all the laws around the world in paper. I'm sure this one too will be on papers!!!

    Originally posted by surya220 View Post
    Our country has been mismanaged enough..
    This is one of the point I'm saying!!!

    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
    this congestion charge is usefull only if the money collected is used to improve the condition of roads
    First let the Govt stop...
    1. Jaywalkers
    2. Enforce two-wheeler riders MUST wear helmet
    3. People riding/driving on RHS (Is this US or what?)
    4. Blarred loud horns (that crosses 110 db while the Harley's have detuned to 91 Db )
    5. Mob looting at accident crime
    6. Bring accountability to Govt employees
    Then we can think about spending on improvising the road. IMO, if the existing laws are ENFORCED, they'll be more than sufficient to bring things more than 50% under control

    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
    why doesn't govenrment improve the roads, widen it?? instead of just finding a way to collect money.
    Why spend on improving roads when more & more people violate rules?

    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
    congestion charge WTF, don't we pay road tax ?? not to mention toll taxes........even for potholes filled roads.
    Exactly!!!
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    • #17
      What is important to note is that, I as a person prefer private to public transport not because it is comfortable, but because it provides me the last mile connectivity. The last thing I wanna do after a long hard day at work is haggle with the local auto-wallah who charges me for 2 litres of Petrol when my home is just 4 kms away! And seriously changing 3 modes of transport for 2 hours is downright ridiculous when the same can be achieved on a Tata NANO in 30 mins flat.

      If given an option I would take public transport. Its far more safer, and less stressful. All I need is a safe/secure parking at the railway station/bus stops for my car/bike. I will happily park my vehicle there, take the public transport and commute to work.

      If this is achieved, I dont see why a congestion tax should be applied to remove burden on public roads. London in UK has done it with so much success(in spite of what is being told of it on TOP GEAR)!
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      • #18
        it is necessary to impose such Taxes on 4 wheelers .....they occupy too much space on road....
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
          it is necessary to impose such Taxes on 4 wheelers .....they occupy too much space on road....
          Then how about trucks & public transports? Should the Govt levy more? That in turn will have a spiral effect on entire cost of living. On a lighter note, how about levying congestion tax for flights

          Apar - 2 Thumbsup!!! Like you said, SAFE, COMFORTABLE parking at railway stations is all I'd require too. I don't mind having multiple rides at different stations & using the public transport for long rides. I second your opinion on that. Someone who've used NJ-NY will understand this better
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          • #20
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            On a lighter note, how about levying congestion tax for flights

            not a bad decision at all...
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            • #21
              Samarth, you made me reply in this thread coz of your post

              1. even if you make it free, you can't make it crowd/body odour/rowdy commuter free. one of many such reasons lot of people choose not to take public transport currrently and rather enjoy in their AC car with music on.

              2. That totally ridiculous point Samarth. Every Indian car has 4 seats, not every car goes full every morning, not even a Nano. You want another tax/penalty for that?

              3. I believe a successful city public transport is the one which leaves no choice for people but to use it because its 100 times good, economical and comfortable than their own car and bike. How that can be done, I dont know.

              4. As a matter of fact more tax on new cars in Delhi (which has been introduce already) and increase parking charge, will discourage people to take their cars out BUT only if they have a second choice of moving around in terms of good public transport which we dont have anywhere. so its a full circle you see. some want but they cant bcoz they have no other choice.

              And in other things, why don't Delhi introduces Hyderabad like Bus Rapid Transit System (BRTS). Two enclosed and secure lanes dedicated only for public buses. It has prove to reduce congestion on Hyderabad road by a large margin.
              Although I mostly agree, but I don't agree to your point#2.

              Petrol is a limited resource, and just because we have money doesn't mean we should waste it. People should go in for Car pool, because it saves money and fuel, even for them, if not for the nation.
              A SUV owner is heavily underutilising his vehicle if he travels alone. Many people from similar areas go to same workplace separately. What's wrong with arranging a Car pool?
              Advantages would be less congestion, less wastage, etc.

              What I mean is, people should be informed to arrange their car pool partners within 1-2 months, or pay extra taxes. What's unfair about that? A 25 year old and fit guy travelling in a car with 4 seats. Doesn't he deserve to be penalised more than a scooter owner who travels with his wife?
              Last edited by Samarth 619; 04-11-2011, 07:54 PM.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                Petrol is a limited resource, and just because we have money doesn't mean we should waste it. People should go in for Car pool, because it saves money and fuel, even for them, if not for the nation.
                Nice idea; why don't the leaders of this country set an example so that people can follow?

                Samarth - not to challenge you, but, have you tried car pooling? There're so much of hassles even in the west forget alone India. Its like all 3-4 people should've same work time, if not the same distance, must share their equal amount in terms of driving as well as finance, most importantly, all of them should sync on their thoughts

                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                A SUV owner is heavily underutilising his vehicle if he travels alone. Many people from similar areas go to same workplace separately. What's wrong with arranging a Car pool?
                Advantages would be less congestion, less wastage, etc.
                Easier said than done my friend. Simple example, what if you agree to it & one of the member always delays the entire journey & has equal support from others joining the ride? See my points above, that's why I said, its easier said than done. On a lighter side, your pillion seat is empty right? Do you take someone always with you ?

                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                Doesn't he deserve to be penalised more than a scooter owner who travels with his wife?
                No!!! He's paying taxes for the vehicle, for the road, for the insurance, for fuel & he deserves it. If we keep thinking like this, then there's no much of difference between democracy & socialism.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Aparajith View Post
                  What is important to note is that, I as a person prefer private to public transport not because it is comfortable, but because it provides me the last mile connectivity. The last thing I wanna do after a long hard day at work is haggle with the local auto-wallah who charges me for 2 litres of Petrol when my home is just 4 kms away! And seriously changing 3 modes of transport for 2 hours is downright ridiculous when the same can be achieved on a Tata NANO in 30 mins flat.

                  If given an option I would take public transport. Its far more safer, and less stressful. All I need is a safe/secure parking at the railway station/bus stops for my car/bike. I will happily park my vehicle there, take the public transport and commute to work.

                  If this is achieved, I dont see why a congestion tax should be applied to remove burden on public roads. London in UK has done it with so much success(in spite of what is being told of it on TOP GEAR)!
                  +1, those are the words "last mile connectivity". completely agree.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    Nice idea; why don't the leaders of this country set an example so that people can follow?

                    Samarth - not to challenge you, but, have you tried car pooling? There're so much of hassles even in the west forget alone India. Its like all 3-4 people should've same work time, if not the same distance, must share their equal amount in terms of driving as well as finance, most importantly, all of them should sync on their thoughts


                    Easier said than done my friend. Simple example, what if you agree to it & one of the member always delays the entire journey & has equal support from others joining the ride? See my points above, that's why I said, its easier said than done. On a lighter side, your pillion seat is empty right? Do you take someone always with you ?


                    No!!! He's paying taxes for the vehicle, for the road, for the insurance, for fuel & he deserves it. If we keep thinking like this, then there's no much of difference between democracy & socialism.
                    Well, my pillion seat surely is empty, but I'm still using the smallest vehicle from these- bike, car, SUV.
                    No, I haven't tried car pooling but, I tried bike pooling when I was in college. One girl wanted transport during exam times, so I became generous & gave her my pillion seat. No seriously, I did so!

                    Jokes apart, I believe, taxing specific people is better & easier than taxing everyone.
                    If you search for car pool friends in your own office, I believe people's timings will sync with you. And in terms of finances, one should be a bit forgiving and flexible. Or, for a 4 man group, let each man bring his vehicle once every 4 days & forget finances.

                    Problems are many, but we have to find solutions for tomorrow. Yes, you're right. My suggestion isn't that practical overall, but then, someone has to start somewhere, right?

                    Ok, Given the standard of people in Delhi, which is more likely to keep congestion down- more taxes for all people OR vehicle pooling initiaitve by govt and taxes for some people?
                    Maybe the pool idea will strike people and they might think about saving money both ways- fuel costs and avoided taxes.

                    PS: My average speeds on the mostly-open roads of Ajmer is 40+ something.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                      I believe, taxing specific people is better & easier than taxing everyone.
                      Then it is no longer called DEMOCRACY!!!

                      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                      If you search for car pool friends in your own office, I believe people's timings will sync with you.
                      Really? Hmm...it should match with the working hours, location, time & most importantly, SYNC. It just doesn't come like how we speak my friend.

                      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                      And in terms of finances, one should be a bit forgiving and flexible.
                      And when one is always flexible (read take it for granted, which is what happens in this country most of the time), people will have enough of it.

                      Samarth - The easiest job in this world is to give suggestions when one is not within the circle of the issue No offense, give a serious try (other than women), experience the enjoyment of car pooling & request to start a thread here

                      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                      Given the standard of people in Delhi, which is more likely to keep congestion down- more taxes for all people OR vehicle pooling initiaitve by govt and taxes for some people?
                      Neither; as I said already ENFORCE the existing laws in place, I assure more than 50% of the issues will be resolved.

                      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                      Maybe the pool idea will strike people and they might think about saving money both ways- fuel costs and avoided taxes.
                      People always prefer convenience over money - Sad truth
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                      Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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                      • #26
                        hmm.... some heated discussion going on popcorn Please
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                          Well, my pillion seat surely is empty, but I'm still using the smallest vehicle from these- bike, car, SUV.

                          PS: My average speeds on the mostly-open roads of Ajmer is 40+ something.
                          SUV's should be banned in busy areas and traffic hours...
                          Average speed 40 in busy areas Are you Joking its 5 kmph in Varanasi Traffic
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                            hmm.... some heated discussion going on popcorn Please
                            Can I correct this one by calling "INTERESTING" discussion pls ?
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by aargee View Post
                              Can I correct this one by calling "INTERESTING" discussion pls ?
                              You can do it man provided you are not the one who likes to ride alone in his Innova in busy areas...
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                              • #30
                                What the heck is wrong with you guys? Why this hatred on SUV's? We have a Scorpio. And its mostly travelling with one person. Before all of you pounce on me on under-utilisation and stuff, let me tell u this. We have a business for transporting mangoes. We require a A/C vehicle. The middle seats and last row in my car are mostly folded. If u see from outside, u will only see the driver or the driver + passenger in it. What you will not see is the cartons of mangoes stacked inside. This saves us lot of trouble as we can go to any place any time without the hassles of bargaining with the local paunch-pushing police.

                                And for all u know, SUV's are not the most polluting thing in India/on this planet as u picture it to be! My Scorpio is 150PS and gives me 10kmpl in city. I see Chevrolet Cruze with a similar rating and similar mileage. And I also dont see that its any smaller than my car. So whats the point! And for all you know the Public bus driver, riding his clutch and ill maintaining his vehicle extracting 2 kmpl is polluting this planet more than I do.

                                Sorry, if I sounded harsh here, but this is just irritating. Every person sees SUV owners as people exorcising Earth. WE ARE NOT!!! Some people(politicos/MLAs and so on) may have bought it for the butch factor, but the majority have bought it for a purpose! And remember that if you levy taxes, its the majority that will suffer and not ur friendly neighbour-hood politico whoo has a fleet of Pajeros/Scorpios and other such SUVs/MUVs.
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