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  • #46
    Originally posted by stefanm View Post
    I disagree, they should launch both, give more choice, the market is more receptive, the 250r is a direct competitor with the Ninja 250R and if priced at 2lakcs would be a great buy and the GT 250 (Comet) at around 1lack 60 would be great, the bike is better, performance wise than the CBR.

    Can't see why this would dent the GT650's rep as it's a different category, in the end you buy a bike for it's performance.

    Here's my take in their respective category's:

    Beginner/Learner bikes (less than 250cc): R15, Apache, Pulsar 220, FZ, etc.....
    Advanced learner: Ninja 250R, CBR 250R
    Intermediate/Advanced: Hyonsung GT650R, Ninja 650R
    Advanced: CBR1000RR, R1, hayabusa, etc..

    As you see, the 2nd and 3rd category have only 2 options each, the GT250/R would both liven up a category, which would also give great sales, especially if the price is right, performance wise it would tuck in just behind the Ninja, value wise it would be considerably ahead of all competition.

    Shame there is no 350-400cc segment anymore, unless you count Enfields, that would make things more interesting.


    i don't think anyone would like to spend 6 lakhs on a bike which would look exactly like the bike standing next to it that's 1/3 in price. the identical looks of would be big advantage for the 250r but a big disadvantage for the 650r, specially considering that the only competitor of the gt650r , n650, already has the price advantage, is better in quality and has a better name in the market.

    my point is that it might affect the sales of the gt650r if the gt250r is launched ( though its launch would be more treat for us). so, even though its would have the advantage of looks, size and performance over the cbr and advantage of price over the ninja250, but it might hit the sales of its elder sibling which might deter hyosung from launching it in india.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Vaibhav Saigal View Post
      i don't think anyone would like to spend 6 lakhs on a bike which would look exactly like the bike standing next to it that's 1/3 in price. the identical looks of would be big advantage for the 250r but a big disadvantage for the 650r, specially considering that the only competitor of the gt650r , n650, already has the price advantage, is better in quality and has a better name in the market.

      my point is that it might affect the sales of the gt650r if the gt250r is launched ( though its launch would be more treat for us). so, even though its would have the advantage of looks, size and performance over the cbr and advantage of price over the ninja250, but it might hit the sales of its elder sibling which might deter hyosung from launching it in india.
      I don't buy that, I assume the majority who buy sports bikes do so for performance as the main prerequisite, why would you buy a 650cc bike and ride it like a spendour? Both bikes sell side by side in other country's, most manufactures do the same.
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      • #48
        ^^^ +1 to that...
        Even i think the same, hyosung sells both naked and faired versions along side for both 250 and 650 so why will it be a problem here... it will do justice for people of all tastes, for me it nakeds appeal most and ya saves some bucks too...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by stefanm View Post
          I don't buy that, I assume the majority who buy sports bikes do so for performance as the main prerequisite, why would you buy a 650cc bike and ride it like a spendour? Both bikes sell side by side in other country's, most manufactures do the same.
          buddy, both n650 and gt650r are almost similar in performance. and looks play a big role when someone buys a bike. In fact , looks are the 1st thing that people notice. also, one more thing that a person buying superbikes wants is exclusivity, which will be lost in case of gt650r if the gt250r is launched.

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          • #50
            Both bikes are already launched in markets such as Singapore, Thailand, Hong Kong and S. Korea. Some of these have market conditions simiar to India. The GT series seems to be doing in a pretty decent manner despite competetion from additional brands such as Aprilia, Cagiva, etc. which they dont have to deal with in our country. How is Indian motorcycling market going to be any different?

            The idea is, although some SBK buyers go for looks, most look for not only looks but also power delivery. It is similar to how a pulsar 135's launch will not hamper Pulsar 180's sales. They are targetted at completely different customer bases and will therefore not be a problem.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Brat View Post
              Both bikes are already launched in markets such as Singapore, Thailand, Hong Kong and S. Korea. Some of these have market conditions simiar to India. The GT series seems to be doing in a pretty decent manner despite competetion from additional brands such as Aprilia, Cagiva, etc. which they dont have to deal with in our country. How is Indian motorcycling market going to be any different?

              The idea is, although some SBK buyers go for looks, most look for not only looks but also power delivery. It is similar to how a pulsar 135's launch will not hamper Pulsar 180's sales. They are targetted at completely different customer bases and will therefore not be a problem.
              You are right dude...
              Who cares about looks when you want the performance?
              If that would have been the case,Yamaha would never have designed its new R15 based on R6....and bajaj would never have had all pulsars based on same design...
              Hyosung if launch the GT250,then it would attract masses,hence more profit(I am one of them,who has shelved the CBR 250 plans for this one), and power seekers would always go for the 650.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by sambit View Post
                You are right dude...
                Who cares about looks when you want the performance?
                If that would have been the case,Yamaha would never have designed its new R15 based on R6....and bajaj would never have had all pulsars based on same design...
                Hyosung if launch the GT250,then it would attract masses,hence more profit(I am one of them,who has shelved the CBR 250 plans for this one), and power seekers would always go for the 650.
                Exactly, Those blokes who have their hearts set on bigger bikes can never be satisfied with their smaller cousins. Besides, the GT250R may be similar to the GT650R but not identical... You'll have to see the GT650R in flesh to notice how enormously large the fuel tank is. Trust me, its HUGE!
                GT250R is well proportioned for a 250 and might easily end up being one of the best looking 250 on the market once it hits India.

                But, does that affect the 650's market? I have my doubts, maybe. For those bikers who prefer to go for the 250R, Excellent choice. For those who choose to wait a little longer, save some extra cash and go for the GT650R, Its totally worth the wait. Either way, everyone's a WINNER!
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Vaibhav Saigal View Post
                  buddy, both n650 and gt650r are almost similar in performance. and looks play a big role when someone buys a bike. In fact , looks are the 1st thing that people notice. also, one more thing that a person buying superbikes wants is exclusivity, which will be lost in case of gt650r if the gt250r is launched.
                  Still don't buy it, i'll give an example, my sister in England drives an A class Mercades, the car costs the equivalent of around 4 lacs or so, does that put people off buying a high end Merc?

                  Yes looks are subjective, but it's not the be all and end all, in my opinion the 650GT is a much better looker than the N650, both bikes has similar performance and pricing, will people not buy the N650 especially as the N250 is there and looks better?

                  AFAIK the more choice the better, jumping from a 150cc or so bike to 650cc or 1000cc+ doesn't make sense, more categories are required to enjoy the most of your bike and progress to the next level. For example you get bored of an R15 and buy an R1, are you prepared for the power it has? unless you get regular track days you most certainly will not be able to explore the bike to it's fullest, especially on our roads, too many obstacles.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                    will people not buy the N650 especially as the N250 is there and looks better?
                    and i thought i was the only one that thinks the N250R is better looking than the N650R...
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                    • #55
                      A few comparos from around the world:
                      Perhaps you guys are expecting too much out of the Gt250?

                      2011 250cc Beginner Bike Shootout - YouTube

                      Hyosung GT250R - Motorcyclist Magazine

                      2011 250cc Beginner Bike Shootout - Motorcycle.com
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Brat View Post
                        Exactly, Those blokes who have their hearts set on bigger bikes can never be satisfied with their smaller cousins. Besides, the GT250R may be similar to the GT650R but not identical... You'll have to see the GT650R in flesh to notice how enormously large the fuel tank is. Trust me, its HUGE!
                        GT250R is well proportioned for a 250 and might easily end up being one of the best looking 250 on the market once it hits India.

                        But, does that affect the 650's market? I have my doubts, maybe. For those bikers who prefer to go for the 250R, Excellent choice. For those who choose to wait a little longer, save some extra cash and go for the GT650R, Its totally worth the wait. Either way, everyone's a WINNER!
                        Afaik, both gt650r and gt250r have same physical dimensions, the only diff bw both is the tyres. i am damn sure, if launched , the gt250r will eat up a lot of n250 customers but i feel it will hit the sales figures of its elder sibling too.
                        i think india's market is different from the rest of the countries. There are loads of people out there who rule out pulsar220 from their choices of bikes to buy just coz it looks similar its younger siblings and this is when the difference bw the bikes is not much. IMO such an impact on the gt650r would be much greater than on the p220 as the diff bw it n its younger sibling in performance and price is really big.

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                        • #57
                          Garware-Hyosung begins testing a new motorcycle in Pune

                          Garware-Hyosung begins testing a new motorcycle in Pune, either the 2012 GT250 or the 2012 GT650!
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                          • #58
                            More BS from Indian Cars and Bikes...
                            The bike being seen around Pune is the Naked 650.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Nithesh View Post
                              A few comparos from around the world:
                              Perhaps you guys are expecting too much out of the Gt250?

                              Hyosung GT250R - Motorcyclist Magazine

                              2011 250cc Beginner Bike Shootout - Motorcycle.com
                              All the comparos posted put the CBR ahead of the pack!!!

                              motorcyclistonline : "Hyosung owners had better be comfortable performing periodic maintenance themselves or prepare to fork over a lot of dough to a mechanic; the owner’s manual recommends changing the oil and filter and checking the valves every 2500 miles."

                              So i guess thats around 4000Kms,right?so its 2k kms less than CBR.i guess its same for ninja and cbr?


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                              • #60
                                Hyosung GT650N naked sportsbike to be launched next month

                                Hyosung GT650N naked sportsbike to be launched next month: Official Word Out!


                                Just days ago, Team ICB brought out a report in which we reported about the naked version of the Hyosung GT650R being tested in Pune. Now, we have more news emerging about the naked GT650, which literally confirms our story. Garware-Hyosung will launch the naked version of its 650cc sportsbike, the Hyosung GT650N next month.

                                The motorcycle which essentially is a stripped out version of the fully faired Hyosung GT650R is anticipated to arrive with the exposed frame and mechanicals to make for a naked sportsbike, the likes of which are very popular in India in the form of the Yamaha F16 and the Bajaj Pulsar 220S.

                                The headlamp will probably be the FZ-esque with small shrouds on either side and this isn’t necessarily a good thing as the motorcycle could very well be mistaken for a Yamaha FZ16 by very many. The 650cc, DOHC, 8 Valve, V-Twin engine though, could be in the same state of tune as that of the GT650R as this would mean much more standardization (read lesser trouble) for the recently set up assembly facility of Garware-Hyosung at Wai, Maharashtra.

                                While it is a little too early for Garware-Hyosung to begin assembly of engines and transmissions at its Indian assembly unit, the GT650N could be priced a good 50,000 rupees lower than the fully faired GT650R. What this will do is, it will give Garware-Hyosung some ammunition to take on the superbly priced Kawasaki Ninja 650R until Garware-Hyosung manages to increase local content on it’s motorcycle range to bring prices down significantly.

                                Currently, the fledgling motorcycle making firm is paying a 30% duty on the completely knocked down (CKD) kits arriving from Hyosung’s parent factory at South Korea instead of the older rate of 10% as the 2011 Union Budget has altered the definition of CKD, charging a higher rate of duty on assembled engines and transmissions that when engines and transmissions are assembled in India.

                                Expect the Hyosung GT650N to be priced at an ex-showroom price of around INR 4.5 Lakhs. Meanwhile, here’s word emerging from Hyder Ali Khan, the Chief Operating Officer of Garware Motors,
                                "Garware Motors will launch the GT650 N, the ‘Naked’ version of the GT650R next month."


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                                Source: IndianCarsBikes.in
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