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  • #46
    I could already see TVS wego kicking the activa out of action probably due to waiting period from Honda.I guess they are thinking if a person could wait 9 months for purchase of bullet from royal enfield then they can also wait for 6 months to purchase activa from honda.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by payeng View Post
      Boy, its you who dragged me into this.. with a rude quote.
      Im sorry if you're offended. But do accept it was you who started bringing honda and other japs in every post.

      Originally posted by payeng View Post
      Please do carry on..
      Only if its worth.
      From variable Bhps to a constant 17.6 Bhp.

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      • #48
        Hh/bal

        I remember my dad taking me to school on his CD 100 and the same engine is still on the HH models that sells like hot cakes..
        I am confused what should I say "A great Engine" / "Poor we Indians still riding with that out dated technology and engine for generations"

        I can hear a chuckle from the HH they have captured the masses with a reliable bike.. But wait !!! does that it ???? we are supposed to stay there for ever??

        By the way I never owned a HH
        Bajaj is what I always desired, rode, crashed and scared me !!!!
        Two Wheels, One Engine, No Limits!!!
        Varun Sumedhan-CBR

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        • #49
          Originally posted by fast_ferocious View Post
          Im sorry if you're offended.
          You should be..

          Originally posted by fast_ferocious View Post
          But do accept it was you who started bringing honda and other japs in every post.
          Hmmm...

          I did quote Hero Honda "successfully" selling 100 cc bikes in different body panels. That i think does not exactly qualify as offending material.
          Also I did quote the poor initial quality of the CBR250R on a few initial models. But we all know that.

          So far I haven't touched any of the other "Japanese" guys (Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki)... of course provided you consider Hero Honda as "Japanese"


          [P.S: Please go through each and every of my previous posts]


          Last edited by payeng; 07-21-2011, 01:25 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by payeng View Post
            Hmmm...

            I did quote Hero Honda "successfully" selling 100 cc bikes in different body panels. That i think does not exactly qualify as offending material. Also I did quote the poor initial quality of the CBR250R on a few initial models. But we all know that right?
            Ok, we don't need to discuss any hh, h or jap bike here in this thread right. And yes we know the 'poor quality' of hondas, heros, yamahas and what not. But they aren't suffering. It is bajaj who is, and I just mentioned that. PEACE.
            From variable Bhps to a constant 17.6 Bhp.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by fast_ferocious View Post
              Ok, we don't need to discuss any hh, h or jap bike here in this thread right. And yes we know the 'poor quality' of hondas, heros, yamahas and what not.

              But they aren't suffering. It is bajaj who is, and I just mentioned that. PEACE.
              Suffering?

              I am all ears.. please go on and explain how? This definitely seems to be "On topic".

              [P.S: I am beginning to enjoy this ]


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              • #52
                Where did I put my popcorn?!?

                To be honest, the discussion (?) between Payeng and fast_ferocious is a never ending one.

                For starters, Bajaj has been learning. From the first motorcycle almost a decade back till date, every iteration has been better than the earlier one and that too by a large margin.

                Secondly, it would be unfair to compare product strength and marketing strategies of two companies that are so vastly different by their ethics. Japanese companies have typically ruled the globe (they still do) while the Indian counterparts are only just beginning to grab roots.

                Thirdly, market forces and sales are typically large indicators of how manufacturers are perceived. The larger sale of Pulsars as compared to any other bike in it's category clearly indicates that Bajaj is dominant in this category and is trusted by a larger audience.
                On the other hand, Bajaj not growing in the 100 CC segment indicates that HH dominates by sheer brand perception; something that Bajaj hasn't been able to break as of yet.

                All said and done, the HH-Honda split will surely roll the dice in favor of other manufacturers. As seen earlier during the Kinetic Honda days, once the Honda brand name is disassociated, sales for the local collaborator drop. It is logical to assume that in the absence of quality products from the remaining competitors, general populace will prefer the next option (Option 2 today); that would be Bajaj.

                As a consumer, I can only say that this competition brings a lot of benefit for us. Something that we have seen for the last decade which can be termed as the golden decade for evolution of motorcycling scene in India.
                Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                  On the other hand, Bajaj not growing in the 100 CC segment indicates that HH dominates by sheer brand perception; something that Bajaj hasn't been able to break as of yet.
                  Actually it is growing.. just that the pace of growth has been a slow over a couple of months.


                  Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                  All said and done, the HH-Honda split will surely roll the dice in favor of other manufacturers. As seen earlier during the Kinetic Honda days, once the Honda brand name is disassociated, sales for the local collaborator drop. It is logical to assume that in the absence of quality products from the remaining competitors, general populace will prefer the next option (Option 2 today); that would be Bajaj.
                  Depends on how strongly Hero (Moto) manages to hold on to its fort (Splendor/Passion) and also comes up with new developments, which will be necessary about 5 years down the line.


                  Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                  As a consumer, I can only say that this competition brings a lot of benefit for us. Something that we have seen for the last decade which can be termed as the golden decade for evolution of motorcycling scene in India.
                  Absolutely agree..



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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                    Secondly, it would be unfair to compare product strength and marketing strategies of two companies that are so vastly different by their ethics. Japanese companies have typically ruled the globe (they still do) while the Indian counterparts are only just beginning to grab roots.
                    Spot on! But 'some' people still try to compare whenever possible.

                    Originally posted by payeng View Post
                    Suffering?

                    I am all ears.. please go on and explain how? This definitely seems to be "On topic".

                    [P.S: I am beginning to enjoy this ]

                    Boy, you enjoy fighting on xBhp Eh? Good for you.
                    From variable Bhps to a constant 17.6 Bhp.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by fast_ferocious View Post
                      Ok, we don't need to discuss any hh, h or jap bike here in this thread right. And yes we know the 'poor quality' of hondas, heros, yamahas and what not. But they aren't suffering. It is bajaj who is, and I just mentioned that. PEACE.
                      That is because since the early years Honda and Hero Honda have a high placement in the Indian "Herd" mentality... Yes there was a time they were exceptional... Only because there was no other... But we, or rather most of us, refuse to realise when a company starts taking us for granted and thinks we are not worth using good products... They time and again give us the same stuff under different shapes of plastic...

                      And another company who keeps trying to improve and raise its own limits time and again... Yes it fails a lot of times... But that's not for the lack of trying...

                      Most of us would rather praise a company which never tries to give us improved stuff... And yes we are willing to crucify a company for its efforts of trying to improvise...
                      "stay hungry, stay foolish."

                      To those who have attitude... My middle finger salutes you...!

                      Rajmachi Conquered...!
                      sigpic

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by fast_ferocious View Post
                        Spot on! But 'some' people still try to compare whenever possible.
                        I guess stuff like "should improve quality" obviously does not qualify as "Comparision" to you.

                        Funny.


                        Originally posted by fast_ferocious View Post
                        Boy, you enjoy fighting on xBhp Eh? Good for you.
                        Definitely.. specially when quoted rudely by someone like you.



                        Last edited by payeng; 07-21-2011, 04:23 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                          Where did I put my popcorn?!?

                          To be honest, the discussion (?) between Payeng and fast_ferocious is a never ending one.

                          For starters, Bajaj has been learning. From the first motorcycle almost a decade back till date, every iteration has been better than the earlier one and that too by a large margin.

                          Secondly, it would be unfair to compare product strength and marketing strategies of two companies that are so vastly different by their ethics. Japanese companies have typically ruled the globe (they still do) while the Indian counterparts are only just beginning to grab roots.

                          Thirdly, market forces and sales are typically large indicators of how manufacturers are perceived. The larger sale of Pulsars as compared to any other bike in it's category clearly indicates that Bajaj is dominant in this category and is trusted by a larger audience.
                          On the other hand, Bajaj not growing in the 100 CC segment indicates that HH dominates by sheer brand perception; something that Bajaj hasn't been able to break as of yet.

                          All said and done, the HH-Honda split will surely roll the dice in favor of other manufacturers. As seen earlier during the Kinetic Honda days, once the Honda brand name is disassociated, sales for the local collaborator drop. It is logical to assume that in the absence of quality products from the remaining competitors, general populace will prefer the next option (Option 2 today); that would be Bajaj.

                          As a consumer, I can only say that this competition brings a lot of benefit for us. Something that we have seen for the last decade which can be termed as the golden decade for evolution of motorcycling scene in India.
                          bold.. truly said...
                          thats it..
                          we want competition here then, will get good prodects. nice commend here.
                          sigpicmy bike is my sign

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            I guess stuff like "should improve quality" obviously does not qualify as "Comparision" to you.
                            Not just to me, but to every reader with at least proper eyesight.

                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            Definitely.. specially when quoted rudely by someone like you.
                            Ofcourse after being instigated for it by you.

                            I think you are here just for having fun fighting. I'm not.


                            PS: I'm outta this thread. you can pm me (only if you can).
                            From variable Bhps to a constant 17.6 Bhp.

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                            • #59
                              Thread closed for obvious reason

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