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don't remind me of horrible experiences in up and bihar.Originally posted by aargee View Postand the question remains why do i race?
every finishing line is the begining of a new race.
#i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
#overkill is underrated.
#how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
#i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road
(:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.
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Originally posted by md_farooq View PostAgreed. Include auto drivers and bus drivers as well here. But people should not be taking an excuse that since they are let off, we should also have the same treatment. Nothing wrong in following the rules. We are not doing it for someone else. Its for our own good.
Its good that they are getting serious sbout road safety. But they can only see the motorists who are breaking the rules. What about those idiots named "JAYWALKERS"they are responsible for casuing a lot of accidents as well. The Motor Vehicle Act should also take some concrete steps on stopping them.
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Ok, I don't care a damn if the some money goes into the pockets of the constables. If people are paying Rs50 to skip a Rs100 fine now, maybe they will have to pay Rs200 as bribes when the fines are increased. Now, the only way a person with such a mentality will understand that rules are meant to be followed is when he'll be shelling out more, be it for a fine or a bribe.
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It really depends how the top official acts.
I am specifically speaking of DTP. Under the leadership of Mr Garg, it has improved a lot. Lot more to be done but believe me when I say that people in Delhi will think many times before jumping a red signal, take a wrong turn, not wear helmet in major roads than in adjoining NCR. Why? Because the top level officer in charge is pro-active in his job. He takes feedback from people. So, DTP has come with the statement that it's more challenging for them since now they will be increasing reviews/checks amongst it's own peers.
I really feel that lower level staff should be paid more & again, this is important that there should be some level of adequate literacy & educational qualification level set.Last edited by rx100.7050; 03-02-2012, 08:34 PM."HASTA LA VICTORIA, SIEMPRE !" - Chesigpic
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+1...Originally posted by prateekm View PostOk, I don't care a damn if the some money goes into the pockets of the constables. If people are paying Rs50 to skip a Rs100 fine now, maybe they will have to pay Rs200 as bribes when the fines are increased. Now, the only way a person with such a mentality will understand that rules are meant to be followed is when he'll be shelling out more, be it for a fine or a bribe.
Qualitatively corruption might increase but violations will come down and with that corruption in quantitative terms...
I think a part of fines collected should go towards the welfare of the traffic cops, coz of the harsh working conditions they work with, air/sound pollution, stress, speeding vehicles etc. (i know its not possible as per current system, but this could also be added in the amendment)...Originally posted by rx100.7050 View PostI really feel that lower level staff should be paid more & again, this is important that there should be some level of adequate literacy & educational qualification level set.
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Buddy, the top officials be it DTP or CCTP, they're corrupt according to their stature; eg, the lowest level of constable settles for a Rs 50 for some offense, while, the top layer would impose a fine at the same time, the top level might yield to settle for some hit & run case by who's who of the city. Catch my drift?Originally posted by rx100.7050 View PostIt really depends how the top official acts
Ok, let me give some perspective for all those saying that the corruption ends when paid adequately...Originally posted by rx100.7050 View PostI really feel that lower level staff should be paid more & again
Ever wondered about jobs like, cleaning a manhole, workers in asbestos & cement factory? That's the worst job anyone can imagine!!! Even when these guys joined the line of duty, aren't they aware of these worse conditions or were they lured into it? State Police, atleast here, has lot of privileges with the Govt, like free bus pass, quarters, think about those working in those factories? Does that mean, they can start their own level of corruption? If paycheck were a reason for corruption, then, imagine the plight of the world
This is purely misuse of power, nothing else can be justified!!!
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Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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Low wages and corruption is neither linked, nor justified...Originally posted by aargee View PostOk, let me give some perspective for all those saying that the corruption ends when paid adequately...
If paycheck were a reason for corruption, then, imagine the plight of the world
This is purely misuse of power, nothing else can be justified!!!
Just telling that the working condition of lower level staff is bad and there should be some welfare stuff for them... for that matter same applies to all those who work in bad working conditions... anyways it will happen with development as it happens in developed countries (a mine worker gets paid equal to a IT professional)...
But higher fines and strict implementation will surely reduce violations... Rather traffic police should not try to control vehicles, but should only fine them, every one will learn and obey traffic rules on its own, the same happens in developed countries. You wont find any traffic cops stopping vehicles from crossing stop line, they just fine those who cross and thus no one does it...
And i remember it was the same in Bangalore around till 6-7 years ago and traffic was in control...
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That is exactly what I'm saying!!! They're paid to do that job & if all of them think its not just, then they should start writing to Govt back; bribe is not a solution!!!Originally posted by saurabh81 View PostLow wages and corruption is neither linked, nor justified...
Want to know what happens in the better part of world? Most things have less manual effort. More the manual effort, more things are prone to fail. For instance...Originally posted by saurabh81 View Postanyways it will happen with development as it happens in developed countries
A system, where a camera at signal scans the pics of people who violate the stop line, wrong direction drive/ride sends automatic message to a specific computer, that automatically detects the vehicle number, prints the letter & fine accordingly. Human intervention is required only to post them. Since the person who does this job is neither a Police nor influenced, there's little room for corruption. Once again, multiple offenses to be treated similar way.
Yes, but will also yield to more corruptionOriginally posted by saurabh81 View PostBut higher fines and strict implementation will surely reduce violations...Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day
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Not every thing is automated. For instance if you are standing in a no stopping zone, an officer will come and simply give you a ticket, he won't even talk to you. Unlike India where the officer will come and ask at you to move the vehicle and you will move it a bit till he moves away and he will come again and yell at you to move it and still you may or may not move till he threatens you to fine.Originally posted by aargee View PostWant to know what happens in the better part of world? Most things have less manual effort. More the manual effort, more things are prone to fail. For instance...
A system, where a camera at signal scans the pics of people who violate the stop line, wrong direction drive/ride sends automatic message to a specific computer, that automatically detects the vehicle number, prints the letter & fine accordingly. Human intervention is required only to post them. Since the person who does this job is neither a Police nor influenced, there's little room for corruption. Once again, multiple offenses to be treated similar way.
It's also about attitude towards law. Here the law enforcers take laws lightly so do the ppl.
Corruption might increase qualitatively but with time the no of offences will reduce (due to high amt of bribe) and hence coruption will also reduce quantitavily.Originally posted by aargee View PostYes, but will also yield to more corruption
Remember when there was no fine for smoking in trains, ppl use to smoke but there was no corruption (As there was no fine). Later a fine of 500 was introduced, now the TT leaves you with 200/- bribe, but did you notice now hardly any one smokes in train. I know my friends who quit smoking in trains after paying bribe a couple of times. So even though it opened an avenue for corruption but at the end of the day less smoking is good for citizens...
We can't relax laws to reduce corruption...
eg.. Hit and run attracts imprisonment but you can get away by paying hefty bribe, but will reducing the the penalty to 1000 Rs. and thus reducing the corruption can be justified...
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As far as i know ,similar increment of fines was implemented in Delhi way back which had to be recalled later due to the fact that govt was losing a lot more challan money. People were more interested in paying a cop rs 200 than a challan of 500. It increased corruption in police dept by a great deal. And without first bringing in a strict rules against corrupt policemen these rules hardly even matter. These rules will just act as a license of corruption for these policemen (who by the way are supposed to keep a check on illegal road activites) ,who will be more than interested to see someone break the law for their own gain.
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The fines are too steep. The government is imposing fines which are at par with countries in Europe and America while the road conditions here are pathetic. For instance the new rules say if a driver speeds 10 kmph above the speed limit the fine is 500 and if its above 20kmph the fine would be 5000. This is ridiculous. If i spend 30 minutes on a 1 kilometer stretch due to bad road and traffic then i would obviously speed up on an empty stretch.
The govt should first improve road conditions. And how are we supposed to know if the speed gun with the cops matches with the display on our speedo meter. They might have different reading of speed from what is displayed on the vehicles instruments.
The police is the most corrupt organization in our country and these new draconian rules is to make the police and politicians loot us even more. Now that the fines are so high any cop can take you to task even if u havent broken any rules and demand bribe or force you to pay the steep fine. What option do u have then. Would there be any cameras around to prove the corrupt officer wrong. How would you prove yourself right. Where would u go and complain when there is no lokpal. Making the citizens accountable without any cheks and balances on the part of the enforcing authorities is simply undemocratic.
And if the cop thinks he is paid less salary than he should quit and do something else. No one is forcing a cop to be a cop.Last edited by vishy123; 03-03-2012, 10:23 PM.
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