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**payeng** · 06-27-2012, 01:31 AM

Better late than never, better late than never.

TVS is already selling a 150 cc, Step Thru in Indonesia with a Liquid Coooled engine.. called "Tormax".

**s_hari** · 06-27-2012, 11:12 AM

I have few snaps of forthcoming automatic scooter and automatic motorcycles which were found in the net. Not sure how to paste them in this thread. I have the pics on my latptop, so guide me how can i put them in this thread

Few points from the pictures to be noted are

1) New automatic scooter is going to come with twin rear shocks
2) Engine platform is being shared across scooter and motorcycles which will lead to lot of economies in component sourcing and vehicle assembly lines
3) TVS motorcycles will be reintroduced with slopper engines (is this the right word?) which was last found in TVS centra.

**vipin_s** · 06-27-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

twin spark technology is with BAL by patent ownership.

Twin spark idea is century old idea, It's laughable such ideas are converted into patents in India.

**Dman** · 06-27-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Twin spark idea is century old idea, It's laughable such ideas are converted into patents in India.

but last i heard the patent is now with royal enfield in incorporating the twin spark tech in higher displacement engines...on the other hand BAL now seem to have their own unique tech just like any honda/yamaha...which is exclusively developed by them on their own effort like any other manufacture in the world and that is the world's first triple spark tech....and similarly tvs will in the future also have an automatic transmission tech which will be unique in the world.man iam very much proud to see indian manufactures slowly but steadily matching their way old and way more experienced global counterparts....

**MHG** · 06-27-2012, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Twin spark idea is century old idea, It's laughable such ideas are converted into patents in India.

Agreed. Its like apple patenting "slide to unlock". What next ? Some company patents clip-ons and another patents idea of using fatter tyres to improve grip ?

**inflammable** · 06-27-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Twin spark idea is century old idea, It's laughable such ideas are converted into patents in India.

You have no idea on How Patent system works. So better stay away from misguiding people here.

And if you are so confident that Twin Spark Patent is century old idea, file an opposition in Court for the Invalidation of Patent - WO 2007/080604

I bet you will loose.

**antz.bin** · 06-27-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by inflammable View Post

You have no idea on How Patent system works. So better stay away from misguiding people here.

And if you are so confident that Twin Spark Patent is century old idea, file an opposition in Court for the Invalidation of Patent - WO 2007/080604

I bet you will loose.

Does anyone here have any idea how many of these 'John pushed Jack to steal his candy' patents does Hero Honda or TVS have in the Indian Patent Registry?

I know for a fact that Hero Honda has 'one' (1) registered patent. It is about an ingenious way to transport motorcycles.

BAL has around 90odd (including DTSI). Will surely look up and post the actual numbers here in a bit for our members' benefit.

**Gyroerror** · 06-28-2012, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by inflammable View Post

You have no idea on How Patent system works. So better stay away from misguiding people here.

And if you are so confident that Twin Spark Patent is century old idea, file an opposition in Court for the Invalidation of Patent - WO 2007/080604

I bet you will loose.

I wonder why Bajaj didnt go against the then Hero Honda / BMW for launching the funduro with a twin spark here in India...because they didn't have one in their own inventory.

**Nithesh** · 06-28-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by inflammable View Post

You have no idea on How Patent system works. So better stay away from misguiding people here.

And if you are so confident that Twin Spark Patent is century old idea, file an opposition in Court for the Invalidation of Patent - WO 2007/080604

I bet you will loose.

Adding a Fancy name to an existing Tech which has been used since late 1980's(for motorcycles) and early 1900s(for cars) does not equal a new technology.
If you do not get what i just said lookup
"The US Honda Patent No. 4534322" (which expired in 2005)

7.3 THE ARGUMENTS
Bajaj argued that they applied for the grant of the patent on 16.07.2002 and the patent was granted on 07.07.2005, which was published in Issue No. 28/2005 dated 29.07.2005. According to Bajaj, there was no opposition filed by anyone including TVS either before or after the grant of patent.However, TVS questioned the validity of Bajajs patent just 7 days before the launch of its proposed 125-CC motorcycle by filing an application for revocation of Bajajs patent No. 195904 before Indian Patents Appellate Board (IPAB).Bajaj argued that the TVSs 4 stroke combustion engine in small bore lean burn engine of size 54.5mm x 53.5mm and combusting lean air fuel mixture infringes its patent. Bajaj stated that TVS using 3 valves in the engine does not dilute the infringement as the number of valves is not an essential feature of its invention. In counter-attack, TVS argued that the use of two spark plugs in an IC engine with three valves was well known in the art and that Bajaj cannot seek patent for the use of two spark plugs in an IC engine. TVS further argued that in order to avoid the said situation, Bajaj misled by introducing a limitation of bore size to the US Honda patent. TVS also argued that Bajaj had full knowledge that US Honda patent did not have any such limitation. Along with US Honda Patent No. 4534322, TVS cited number of prior arts against Bajajs "DTS-i Technology" in an attempt to revoke Bajajs patent. TVS also added that Bajajs claim is two spark plugs withtwo valves, whereas it technology is about having two spark plugs with three valves

**Adoksh** · 06-28-2012, 02:58 PM

Planning in 2012 for a 2014 launch is absurd. The Duke 350 will be out by then, the Japanese would have updated/launched newer versions of the R15 and CBR's. It would be difficult unless TVS is keeping all these criteria in mind.

**Samarth 619** · 06-28-2012, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Gyroerror View Post

I wonder why Bajaj didnt go against the then Hero Honda / BMW for launching the funduro with a twin spark here in India...because they didn't have one in their own inventory.

Funduro is a big capacity engine like Royal Enfield. Now you can figure out why RE uses 2 sparks and others don't.
Dear member, Kindly read the title and decide whether its appropriate discussing whether or not Bajaj sued BMW?

I would request members to get back on TVS, and stop diverting towards Bajaj in this thread.

**s_hari** · 06-28-2012, 03:44 PM

As said earlier in am posting the pics of TVS automatic scooter and motorcyles pictures. These have been found in net where couple of them are from teambhp site.
Scooter images with twin rear shocks

Bike images with slopper engine

**Vignesh vnktrmn** · 06-29-2012, 12:21 AM

The engine in the pic looks like an air-cooled hybrid.I hope that they use the space remaining under the backbone of the frame to plonk in another cylinder there.

**Gyroerror** · 06-29-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Dear member, Kindly read the title and decide whether its appropriate discussing whether or not Bajaj sued BMW?

The conversation was more like the patent TVS and Bajaj were fighting on. Nothing to do with BMW or RE, that was just an example of the fact that the technology already existed. The capacity of the engine is irrelevant. Anyway, enough said like you mentioned.

**Gyroerror** · 06-29-2012, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Vignesh vnktrmn View Post

The engine in the pic looks like an air-cooled hybrid.I hope that they use the space remaining under the backbone of the frame to plonk in another cylinder there.

Two servo motors for the transmission, the engine looks very much a normal 4-stroke. But looking at the cooling fins on the ECU it just might be a hybrid. The big plastic connector in the centre might be wired to a motor.

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