After having gone OT a bit, I return to topic.

I found the below links. The info in that makes for very interesting reading. If the links are wrong then please tell me, I will delete this post.





The things to be noted from the above two links -

1. They were 8 bikes competing in the 1205 class.
2. 2 bikes were ducati mts, 2 ducati streetfighter, 2 harley xr 1200, 1 bmw hp2 and 1 ktm 990.
3. 5 riders are rookies. 3 riders are not.
4. All 3 experienced riders were on ducatis. The other manufacturers were ridden by rookies.
5. The top two guys on MTS' were not rookies.
6. When Ducati says they defeated the other manufacturers, they are talking about defeating 3 other manufacturers all being ridden by Rookies.
7. The link fails to tell us which bikes were factory supported and which were privates.

In light of the above information it does not appear to be such a big deal for Ducati to win the Pikes Peak thingy, considering that their were the only manufacturer with experienced riders.

Which brings us back to the point of why do companies participate in races. For branding and marketing!!! So that they can make claims like we won the pikes peak challenge, conveniently ignoring the fact that there was almost next to nobody as competitors.

Luckily we at xbhp do not fall for such marketing gimmicks!!!

All my information is based on the above two links. If those links are incorrect, please inform me, I will delete this post.

hola !!! you dig really deep man, kudos !!

so if you can't win motogp, atleast win something else, which you can..!! and lets market it, promote it...

Because its MotoGP-derived-state-of-the-art-Crossplane-crank-flagship-machine the YZF-R1 is a 4 year old model. A lot has changed in these 4 years.

The not so-great-european-manufacturers-purely-in-motoGP-WSBK like the BMW and Ducati made machines like S1000RR, the Panigale which has taken the the things to a whole now bhp/ton level now... Lets wait for a Japanese comeback... then may be we will know. And YEAH the S1000RR was ALSO a bike BUILD for WSBK and then being homoglated and commercialized... Still have doubts?



Make that Branding, Marketing, AND to demonstrate thier innovation and technical prowess...


Sounds like the World Champion in my locality analogy

^^ something like "apun ki bike india me world famous hai bhaiii" hi hihi

on a serious note, down on power does not always mean inability to win races as much as too much power does not mean a born winner.

You are right. If I'm not mistaken. MotoGp type of bikes are not allowed. Since the peak's been all paved now. Rules may change in the coming future, and one might see the record changing rapidly.

Saw on TV, how S1000RR was designed specially to compete in WSBK.

Not everything can be understood by reading up material on the internet. From the beginning I have said this - MTS is a fantastic bike, both for off road and on the road, and that Ducati are doing a commendable job by putting all that 'Motogp tech==highest level tech" in a road form.

Second, a few comments below:


I do like your researched comments Avinash, and enjoy being a part of such discussions, however please excuse me if my arguments lie more towards experienced facts and passion, since I am man inclined towards those attributes rather than just published facts.

I agree with you, that everything you read on the internet should not be believed. I am not denying for a moment that Ducati is a wonderful motorcycle manufacturer, or that the MTS is a wonderful bike.

This thread is about the MTS winning the pikes peak. Now I like riding, but I don't like being taken for a ride! I believe that half truths are worse than lies. So yes Ducati won the Pikes (90th edition that too!), but also there was no competition.

The reason why I read the same news from multiple newspapers is that no newspaper gives the full news. Only what suits their interest.

- Regarding Rossi, he wasn't racing rookies. If every other rider was a rookie the scenario would have been a whole lot different.

- "Rookie cry baby propaganda"! This had me in splits 'Propaganda', are you taking to politics, I am sure it would be awesome to have a biker as our next Prime Minister

- This link does tell us that the Ducati's were factory backed. Like you said it costs money to race. And privateers who cannot afford a seasoned rider, cannot possibly spend as much as a factory for winning.


- The branding and marketing comment was with respect to previous users comments talking about racing is for R&D. So I guess charity is not a reason

- Lastly I do not need to research Ducati's history, I am not doing a phd about them. I derive extreme pleasure in viewing their bikes, don't have money to do more that look What I don't like is being fed PR jazz, and me believing it hook, line and sinker. Like you yourself say, don't believe all 'published facts'. Especially on the internet

Cheers

I would like to understand why there was no competition for Ducati in the Pikes Peak? You might know that for most manufacturers, esp. for BMW Motarrad USA is the biggest market (after Germany for the manufacturer named).

Everything is marketing in this world. Everything happens to get more sales in the end. This is as true as the additional 'headache' of participating in competitive events to aid the 'marketing'.

Right from the school you were enrolled in, to the MBA, to that mineral water bottle you drank off a stop between Lucknow and Kanpur (), its all the result of marketing which decides what reaches whom and how effectively. A lot of time the viewer doesnt realize he wants that unless until he sees it, attaching it with a real world example of how that thing is used
makes him even more vulnerable to 'acquiring' it. Red Bull is a prime example, they land up on events where people will be standing or getting exhausted and feed them the RBs right at a particular point so they get conditioned into thinking the RB actually helps them with energy and will fight away grogginess.

Now, i say you have marketed yourself well to me, an offer stands open for you to bring more to the xBhp core team if you want

If this is in context to what I am hoping it is. I applied for membership a year back. The pleasure would be mine to work with and add to the core team. Yes, I do want

If assumptions that we are all taking on, then...

Will check and get back to you on your application.

Off topc discussions :P

Typically the Japenese are obsessed with the "fast" race oriented machines. Hence you would see each of the Big4s flagship model to be a 'racer' at heart... When it comes to europe, the machines become more of dual purpose machines. So you have european cross country machines, motocross machines, cruisers and what not.
Its pretty similar to India as such, where we build bikes for a different purpose....

And hence, What manufacturers attend what event is derived on this idealogy. Japenese Race, Italians Race, Europe scoots, Europe races on different terrains....

But yeah, all that is changing.... just like evolution!

(May be we should take this discussion to the design thread)

guys, i think this discussion is endless, the discussion started with a simple wish that ducati should be able to replicate the same success in motogp also.

and moderators were quick to stand up to defend ducati, but defend from what....?

we never said ducati bikes are bad or not good, did the moderators thought we intended to indicate that? we just wanted ducati to be more competitive in motogp, thats all.

@ satyen: if you remember we had a small exchange of thoughts once, regarding motorcycle reviews being biased sometimes. i hope you get my point.

anyway guys, the best part of this discussion is sunny participating so much actively in this thread.


this is just my opinion, so plz don't be angry on me.

Thanks. Look forward to hearing from you.



Maybe its because different biking cultures mean different kind of motorbikes. Europe, Japan and America all have very different biking cultures. That might explain the companies focus.

Yeah exactly it is nice when the super mods (both Sunny and Sunilg) take active part in discussions.

But Prince, people can have discussions only when there are opposing views. If everyone agreed all the time it would be rather boring na

@Prince: Mods or not, I will say the same thing on FB where I am hardly Mark Zuckerberg, if thats what you wanted to say.

The point is no single manufacturer is at the top in all forms of races, competitions and reviews. This makes it more worthwhile to appreciate what I wanted to say to begin with, wrt this particular competition.

@Satyen:"Typically the Japenese are obsessed with the "fast" race oriented machines."

You do know that Ducati is all about performance and racing? And perhaps thats one of the reasons why the Ducati Multistrada is finding a better acceptance as a crossover than a outright inter continental tourer.

What everyone needs to do is, when they get the chance, to experience 'what comes with a bike'. Until I saw the WDW myself I had no idea what it means to own a Ducati, something similar to owning a RE here in India, or maybe a HD in US.

Nevertheless whatever we ride, we should enjoy, regardless of the reviews etc..

well, either my point is not understood or skipped. so....

i will say, i am least bothered about that pee peek spike thing, coz my man is back on a yamaha, where it matters the most.