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**sunilg** · 12-18-2012, 06:26 PM

News approved.

**somen1984** · 12-18-2012, 06:59 PM

Yes whether it's a 100cc or 1000cc ABS should be Must!! I can recollect so many incidents out there where people taste tarmac on 100-150cc more then any 200 or 250cc. Many in my friends have fallen from 100cc splendour and Boxer,,etc....

It's not the question for 100cc or more it's about the feature which is more addition to your skill. There are people who will say I don't need it i ride it at 40kmph but I am damm sure they can't gaurantee any future incidents, where people cross roads like they are king and riders are slave, we have to think twice before riding ......

I will be happy if this rule passes in India too. If people can manage growing petrol prices then this one time investment is also acceptable!!

**MHG** · 12-18-2012, 08:20 PM

KTM must be extremely happy I guess since they're adding ABS to all their road bikes already - even the 125cc ones.

**Sunny** · 12-18-2012, 11:24 PM

I have heard that even traction control will be mandatory in cars from 2014 in the EU. Looks like the way is being paved for more groundbreaking technologies since now the current ones will become 'common'.

**princesirohi** · 12-19-2012, 12:04 AM

i am against it, if you have money and wanna buy it, go ahead and buy it, don't make it compulsory to everybody, a lot of people can't afford it. ppl are already running helter-skelter due to rising fuel prices, now plz don't increase vehicle costs.

and what about those who don't want ABS, because it robs them of the fun of braking. don't tell me that there will be an option to switch it off, then there is no point in making it compulsory.

this will simply fill the pockets of ABS manufacturers and ministers.

India still rides on drum brakes, so no worries as of now.

**Satyamzma** · 12-19-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

i am against it, if you have money and wanna buy it, go ahead and buy it, don't make it compulsory to everybody, a lot of people can't afford it. ppl are already running helter-skelter due to rising fuel prices, now plz don't increase vehicle costs.

+100 Government could make front Disc brake compulsory on all bikes & Scooters...but not ABS as it will make cost price go quite high

**indyana** · 01-04-2013, 03:42 PM

The perfect amount of braking before the corner, then hitting the throttle and zapping out of the curve is big fun, I love it. Also no ABS means less money to pay, my still tiny monthly income loves it too.
Except for the matter this is India, so gully corners and sides of the lanes are strewn with powder fine dust in heaps, mixed with rubble and what not. all my braking techniques go fail over those while I am in speed. My state has road surface resembling topology map of Himalaya. If you are a thrill seeker I'd like to invite you to a night time ride during a rainy season. I am sure you'll be fine when you brake on a pasty layer of mud over that totally unflat surface, at the same time being blind because the wet macadam has gobbled your yellow headlight up entirely.
Bottom line, I love ABS. YAY for ABS! Bring it on Baby!

**princesirohi** · 01-04-2013, 06:11 PM

^^ if you want it go ahead and buy it, we are not discussing whether you need it or not, we discussed whether it should be made mandatory for all, and its affects like price increase.

**indyana** · 01-04-2013, 06:45 PM

I understand, Prince. what I stated were the reasons why I think ABS must be mandatory in this country. The last lines were simply me stating my love for the technology. Also, let me say that I have been into hospital once because some some fool skidded braking hard and and crashed on me, sending my motorcycle to the ground. that could have been avoided with ABS, I think.
I do not think I am quite the right person to think for the majority of the people, but to me and my safety making ABS mandatory seems like a great idea.

**Ganeshan** · 01-06-2013, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

i am against it, if you have money and wanna buy it, go ahead and buy it, don't make it compulsory to everybody, a lot of people can't afford it. ppl are already running helter-skelter due to rising fuel prices, now plz don't increase vehicle costs.

and what about those who don't want ABS, because it robs them of the fun of braking. don't tell me that there will be an option to switch it off, then there is no point in making it compulsory.

this will simply fill the pockets of ABS manufacturers and ministers.

lace w:st="on">Indialace> still rides on drum brakes, so no worries as of now.

I could agree more... Plus if I understand correctly 50cc mopeds are next as from 2017 (emission test)

Trials, enduro and offroad bikes will apparently be exempt, which makes perfect sense...

And then in 2020, the norm EURO 6 should become effective, meaning tougher and tougher emission laws. On a practical level it will most likely restrict/prevent us from doing much by ourselves on our bikes (repair/maintenance/tuning/upgrades). Small independent repair shops might find it difficult to keep up with the substantial investments that these new technologies may bring about (Training in On-Board Diagnostics, scan tools). Some might gradually be left behind for the benefit of bigger dealers (like it happened in the car industry). And as we know bigger doesn't mean better...

**pulsater** · 01-06-2013, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

i am against it, if you have money and wanna buy it, go ahead and buy it, don't make it compulsory to everybody, a lot of people can't afford it. ppl are already running helter-skelter due to rising fuel prices, now plz don't increase vehicle costs.

and what about those who don't want ABS, because it robs them of the fun of braking. don't tell me that there will be an option to switch it off, then there is no point in making it compulsory.

this will simply fill the pockets of ABS manufacturers and ministers.

India still rides on drum brakes, so no worries as of now.

Why see just the negative side of it? It WILL save lives and no body knows this better than us bikers ourselves. EU regulations are for their people and for their road users and the more is done about road safety less it is, be it in any country.

We on the other side, will continue to enjoy the top spot for road deaths in the world. Safety has always taken the back seat for Indian cars and motorcycle buyers. People look stupid to me who buy the base/mid variants of cars and bikes citing pricing issue and go on later to add useless after markets stuff (alloys, unregulated tires size, bull bars, loud speakers, sirens, flash lights) worth thousands just to look or feel different.

Sometimes, things needs to be implemented for peoples own safety, just like helmet and seatbelt laws. Ultimately the bigger picture is that such laws help reduce casualties in real life. Talking about lobbying and controversies that comes with it? well, they come following every body and every thing in this world.

**princesirohi** · 01-07-2013, 03:05 AM

^^ well a lot of things can be made compulsory to make it even more safer, for example make a full body suit compulsory for riders, that will reduce the injuries, but is it practical or economical for riders..??

or better why not ban private transport and force ppl to use public transport only. it will reduce the number of accidents to a great extent, and will also reduce pollution and solve the fuel crisis...isn't it..??

what i want to convey is -->> technology which can save lives can and should be made compulsory only when it is truly affordable. as ABS which increases the cost of bike by 25-30000 is not affordable, when it comes for 5000-10000 then it can be made compulsory.

**harsh_66328** · 01-07-2013, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

^^ well a lot of things can be made compulsory to make it even more safer, for example make a full body suit compulsory for riders, that will reduce the injuries, but is it practical or economical for riders..??

or better why not ban private transport and force ppl to use public transport only. it will reduce the number of accidents to a great extent, and will also reduce pollution and solve the fuel crisis...isn't it..??

what i want to convey is -->> technology which can save lives can and should be made compulsory only when it is truly affordable. as ABS which increases the cost of bike by 25-30000 is not affordable, when it comes for 5000-10000 then it can be made compulsory.

Don't you want all the people riding bikes to be safe? It will be such a big boon adding to the safety of the people. An ABS unit does not cost 30k. I guess you are calculating the price by the difference in CBR std and abs, isnt it? The cost difference between Apache 180 and Apache 180 ABS is approximately 10k. Plus if you search the internet, you will find separate ABS units as cheap as 1-1.5k. The government is not asking the companies to plonk a 25-30k ABS unit in the bikes but instead even a basic ABS unit would do which anyways would add to the safety. And once all the companies start using ABS it is definitely going to be cheaper in price due to mass production. I don't see any negatives of it.
As per your points of 'full body suit compulsory for riders' and 'ban private transport and force ppl to use public transport only' it is so impossible and impractical to do it. You still see people not wearing helmets even though its made compulsory since a long time so wearing a full body suit is out of question.

**princesirohi** · 01-07-2013, 10:09 AM

yes, i calculated the price difference based on CBR, and yes if it costs within 10,000 rupees as in Apache 180... then its fine, but how to make sure that all manufacturers will price it just like TVS and not like Honda..??let us wait and watch, how much premium KTM is gonna ask for their ABS.

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