re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

Yep ignoring a bike probably because of its looks and keeping its specs aside has helped Local Indian market with some cheaper quality bikes that look astonishing.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

What are the exceptional specs that we are talking about here?
Is it the fact that its power to weight ratio (in its lighter Naked form)is worse than the much more acceptable looking (6 yr old) Pulsar 220?
Or the fact that this bike offers practically nothing out of the ordinary when compared to a more handsome looking and a better equipped bike like, say, a Duke!
Or does the fact that people are scared to recommend even lower capacity commuter bikes from Suzuki on the forum due to their sparse after sales network which excites you?

*****ing aside, for it to have any chance of being a success as a touring bike in India (if they have the guts to launch it), It has to be priced at Duke/CBR150R levels and not CBR250R levels. Maybe then we can ignore the looks and get down to business.

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Looks UGLY.......
The console looks like a p200ns....the headlight (not the full fairing) looks like suzuki zeus from front......power figures are too less and power to weight ratio is just nothing in comparison to bikes nowadays.......hate it straightahead

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

You cant expect each and every bike to be pocket rockets or to have exceptional specs. The power to weight ratio that is being talked about doesn't matter a lot at least in city or highways unless you are participating in a drag or a track. And at least I did not mention that it has exceptional specs.

Its has a relaxed parallel twin, with smooth engine and gearbox, low ride stance and good handling. Weight though on higher side but useful when on highways. It will be a decent upgrade for a guy coming from ZMA, ZMR or sub 180cc bikes.

Price around CBR250 is good enough for this bike if launched.

Coming to Suzuki.
Suzuki has problem with its network and it has decent amount of showroom/asc to handle the number of bikes they sell. What has bajaj done with its huge network and people are still scared to give their bikes at service centers.

Problem with network, that doesn't mean that bikes from Suzuki are useless. All their bikes and scooters are competent enough.

EDIT: Post aimed at GW250 naked only.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

USP ["U" for Unique] of this bike ?

Its Ugliness.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

not to contradict your overall point, but there is no comparison between P220 & this bike, in terms of looks, both are not good looking bikes. nobody said anything about the looks of a P220 ever because it was so feature rich and most powerful and not to forget fastest indian, that nobody had time analyse its looks. to me a P220 does not come under good looking bikes.regarding pricing i would say, it should be cheaper than duke to even think of selling in respectable numbers.brother, it is not a proper upgrade to ZMR.and if priced around cbr250, it wont sell at all.and service center problem can not be ignored, i want to purchase a GT250R and my only worry is service center and spare parts in future.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News


+1
Dont know why people are comparing a relaxed touring/city bike with duke and some other stuff....????
you are right p220 is not at all a good looking bike, infact zma looks much more proportionate, elegant and good looking. according to me p200 was the best looking pulsar but bajaj simply spoiled it by adding weird looking quarter fairing. Power to weight ratio is not the everything, I am 90% sure that it will offer more stability, better ride quality, comfort and balance on highways than duke, p200, p220 at 120+ speed. Its top speed is 150+ and that is why its engine will feel much more relaxed at 120+ than duke.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

Every unconventional design has it's Likers and Haters. And there are haters, who would still "accept" unconventional designs if they see bang for their buck. The Duke too had it's share of haters. A fanboyish flame war here doesn't look good. Let me be frank here: I did hate the GW250S when I saw it first. Four days since the first pics released, and now I have accepted the looks somewhat. The low, comfortable seats. The tall windscreen. The tourer stance. Resembles a rough Chinese copy of the Honda ST1100. I have a feeling this will certainly feel more comfortable than my CBR when touring with a pillion.

I'd say, it all boils down to the price. If Suzuki can price the GW250S competitively (read at 1.2L-1.4L), there will certainly be people who will look up to it as a viable option. Lets not forget that we all at xBHP don't make up the entire biking populace of India.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

RE calssic wasnt ugly... it was a classic


This suzuki looks similar to this guy

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

Why is everyone just talking about the power to weight ratio? No one ever talked about the power to weight ratio before the duke was released. If you would start comparing all the bikes with the p.t.w. ratio wouldn't it make most of the bikes launched before duke seem Crap? It dosent make sense if all the bikes have similar fast acceleration when all are mostly built for different purposes. Does this bike look as a fast, neck jerking accelerating bike? Its probably built with a touring purpose. Look at the huge wind shield. Its currently better than any other bike in India. As mentioned above, it does seem to look very comfortable and relaxed compared to other bikes in its class. This would surely be a great option to tourers. I am not a fan of its looks. Its not Ugly, its just Ordinary. You cant expect all companies to make an eye candy design for all the models. This bike fulfills all the needs of a tourer.

Payeng sir, Why post the same point 'Its Ugly' again and again? I guess everybody understood your point when you first mentioned it.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News

You should be very optimistic for this bike to be priced anything below 1.7 lacs. Its a paralell twin. And I still think it will be a proper upgrade for people coming from zma or zmr considering the asthetics of these bikes.

My post is intended towards naked version only.

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If you hate it, don't buy it.

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This thread shows why the Indian market has a looong way to go before it considers itself 'mature'. The GW250 is a utilitarian motorcycle in the US and Europe (and even evolved Asian markets). It's their Bajaj Discover 110, at best. The moment the Indian market sees the words "250 cc" and "twin cylinder" it's a premium bike! it's like a bugle for us to analyze PTW ratios, cornering capabilities, SBK levels of equipment and whatnot!

Coming to the looks of the naked (since we're discussing both iterations), a more conventional headlamp and front mudguard should make the bike look "normal" and less dinosaur-like to the average human's eyes in India. As for price, I really can't see how a 2-pot CKD can undercut a 1-pot manufactured in India. If it happens (I wish it does), it will stupefy Bajaj, the king of cut-throat pricing! We can all indulge in wishful thinking sometimes...

The 4-wheeled counterparts in our country has moved a long way ahead- have you seen how many Xylos, Dusters sell despite being "non-beautiful"? ....and these are not cheap hatchbacks mind you!
Deep down I wish the GW250 succeeds, not because my father works in Suzuki, but it would gently push the evolution of motorcycling in our country; towards those where N250Rs are bikes that dads gift their daughters on their 21st b'days.

re: Suzuki GW 250S unveiled at Shanghai: xBhp News


Did Suzuki tell you that it's a utilitarian motorcycle in US and Europe? Because Suzuki's international websites' don't promote the GW as one. By the way, what do you mean by a utilitarian motorcycle? Do people use it for delivering pizza in US and Europe? If yes, then you know what this motorcycle is actually worth for! But seriously, why single out *us* Indians specifically when some of us think it is ugly? Go through some international websites/forums and see people reaction to the design of this new Suzuki. Obviously not all motorcycles, even in the same segment, are made to perform at the same level. Having said that, if launched in India, this new Suzuki will be *competing* against motorcycles that are either equally good performers or better performers and they look much better too. My personal point is, this motorcycle don't have a single strong point over the likes of CBR and KTM at least. Yes, it has a very upright riding stance but CBR and KTM aren't terribly uncomfortable either.

This is going to be Suzuki's *first* 250cc entrant in India. In my opinion, it has to have something that shall make it worth twice a look. Right now it doesn't seem to have anything like that! It carries a mild spec sheet along with ugly or not-worth-a-dime looks!

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Ugly guy maybe, but that armour did its job am sure