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    Splendor and Passion.

    "We have fired three new engines, and we have done this ourselves," Pawan Munjal, MD & CEO of Hero MotoCorp, told TOI. Apart from the 100cc engine, the company has developed a 110cc and a 250cc engine.

    "Each of these engines perform much better than our existing engines, and they are very fuel-efficient, the efficiency being higher than any bike currently running on Indian roads,"

    he said, adding that these would form the backbone of a majority of Hero's two-wheeler products.

    Research and development and the capability to develop new engines was seen as one of the biggest challenge for the Munjal-run Hero as earlier the company had free access to Honda's huge capabilities in the area. Honda had been the only source of R&D in the now-defunct Hero Honda and its exit from the venture had raised doubts over the capability of the Munjals to quickly make up for the erstwhile partner's strength.

    Munjal conceded that the departure of Honda was no less than a challenge. "There surely had been an impact. They did bring in equity into the JV in terms of technological strength. We are now building up that equity ourselves."

    As it builds up its own R&D strength, Hero has also been stitching up alliances with other companies to create an eco-system of technological know-how. The partners include Austrian engine developer AVL Engineering, Engines Engineering of Italy and Erik Buell Racing (EBR) of the US (in which the company has also picked up a 49% stake).

    Simultaneously, the company will soon begin work for setting up an integrated R&D centre at Kukas in Rajasthan.

    Sharing details on the new engines, Munjal said that they could be strapped on the bikes from 2014. "The 110cc engine will be used on our current range, and will be ready for commercial launch towards the festive season of next year. On the other hand, the 100cc engine is a vertical engine currently being developed specifically for the Nigerian market."


    Source - Hero Moto develops 3 new engines - The Times of India

    Sorry if this is an open news in case i posted after someone else..
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      re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

      Looks like this report was to keep the share market guys happy. Why is he even talking about an engine they have just fired, it will need at least another year to get them into the market.

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        re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

        Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
        Hero has developed three new engines and these will gradually be strapped across the company's product portfolio, including blockbusters Splendor and Passion.
        Sorry to be sounding pessimistic.. but matching Mr. Soichiro Honda's brilliant gem i.e that Horizontal Sloped engine is virtually impossible. This would be probably the start of the eventual death of the legends called the Splendor and Passion.





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          re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

          Originally posted by payeng View Post
          Sorry to be sounding pessimistic.. but matching Mr. Soichiro Honda's brilliant gem i.e that Horizontal Sloped engine is virtually impossible. This would be probably the start of the eventual death of the legends called the Splendor and Passion.
          No idea what they are trying to do.. I don't think they should get the new engines to the body of Splendor and Passion.. instead bring up a new bike with these engines.. completely a new body.. so that it doesn't affect the sales of Splendor and Passion..
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            re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

            Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
            No idea what they are trying to do.. I don't think they should get the new engines to the body of Splendor and Passion.. instead bring up a new bike with these engines.. completely a new body.. so that it doesn't affect the sales of Splendor and Passion..
            The news suggests on thing, Hero proably doesn't have the license to use Honda 100 cc engines.. and that's why this move.


            Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
            "Each of these engines perform much better than our existing engines, and they are very fuel-efficient, the efficiency being higher than any bike currently running on Indian roads,"
            Now this is Very very hard to believe.. as it is impossible to improve on near perfection.. that too for a company which has just stared to make its own stuff.


            Last edited by payeng; 07-30-2013, 03:34 PM.

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              re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

              Originally posted by payeng View Post
              The news suggests on thing, Hero proably doesn't have the license to use Honda 100 cc engines.. and that's why this move.
              Possible.. but I hope that is not the case here else Hero is going to fall into the ditch unless these new engines are as reliable or better than the old Engines of Splendor and Passion

              Originally posted by payeng View Post
              Now this is Very very hard to believe.. as it is impossible to improve on near perfection.. that too for a company which has just stared to make its own stuff.
              We will never know mate.. they know their bikes and their bikes give one of the best in all terms.. may not be the best.. but one of the best.. in terms of reliability and performance thanks to Honda.. I think they might have learnt something from Honda if not atleast 50%

              Lets hope for the best from the Indian Manufacture.. All we can do now is wait and see whatever is to happen.. We will never know.. we might be surprised by HMC
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                re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                Expect overall Bajaj-like quality.....


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                  re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                  first of all its good that hero is working in right direction.

                  second, i don't know whether hero has the liscence to use current engines forever, or there may may be heavy fees attached to it that hero does not want to give to honda. otherwise there is no need to actually replace an engine which has unbeatable reputation in market.



                  Originally posted by payeng View Post
                  Now this is Very very hard to believe.. as it is impossible to improve on near perfection.. that too for a company which has just stared to make its own stuff.

                  actually it is not very difficult to improve the performance, but what is difficult is to make it reliable, robust and long lasting alongwith increased performance.

                  i just hope that hero does not forget that the image splendour and passion carries is that of robustness, longevity and reliability, not that of performance.

                  Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                  Possible.. but I hope that is not the case here else Hero is going to fall into the ditch unless these new engines are as reliable or better than the old Engines of Splendor and Passion

                  exactly.

                  interesting thing is the 250 CC engine is also ready and might be the one being tested on new camouflaged bikes as discussed in other thread.


                  however with P375 coming in hot and fast, desi biker may have very little interest in a 250CC.

                  P375 MAY prove to be a game changer once again for bajaj.
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                    re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                    be it 100cc or 250cc, its better that hero is atleast doing something than sitting ducks..
                    bajaj took the risk years ago and now is the leader.. hero needed this very badly..
                    now lets see what products they launch..

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                      re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                      Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post
                      be it 100cc or 250cc, its better that hero is atleast doing something than sitting ducks..
                      bajaj took the risk years ago and now is the leader.. hero needed this very badly..
                      now lets see what products they launch..
                      Good to see someone looking at this step on the bright side
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                        re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                        Originally posted by payeng View Post
                        that too for a company which has just stared to make its own stuff.
                        Munjal's aren't making their Engines by themselves..they are just hiring companies having group of Engineers already working on various Engines for separate companies since years..which seems legit..
                        though coming up with Engines which can beat outstanding current 100-110cc Engines of Honda sounds like very optimistic approach in such a short time..
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                          re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                          Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post
                          Munjal's aren't making their Engines by themselves..they are just hiring companies having group of Engineers already working on various Engines for separate companies since years..which seems legit..
                          though coming up with Engines which can beat outstanding current 100-110cc Engines of Honda sounds like very optimistic approach in such a short time..
                          Well.. Hero is using Honda engines, right?? like we already know.. the Ignitor and Stunner use the same engine, the Twister and Passion Xpro use the same engine.. The xtreme/hunk and Unicorn.. so it is obvious they know the current performance figs of Honda Engines (100-150CC Atleast).. so they are trying to develop something better than their own bikes that they have in stock.. though we cannot be sure how good/better these engines are.. they might be sure about it as they are developing something to improve..

                          of course we won't know unless they launch them and see the durability, reliability and performance of their new engine as time goes by.. like someone already mentioned.. Bajaj went through this phase and now they are mastering something by improving their products which Hero should have probably done some time back..
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                            re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                            Very happy for Hero MotoCorp. Time has come to move on with better engines that give better mileage, power with enough reliability.
                            60 kmpl was a very good mileage back in the 1980's when 2 strokers ruled the tarmac. Not anymore.
                            Today, 150cc's give the same figure with better torque and at almost similar cost.


                            But now I'm wondering one thing:- For Hardcore Hero Honda followers out there, what will be the excuse they give, now that "reliability" is not one of them?
                            They can't just rely on a name to give them "Japanese reliability", isn't it?

                            But whatever happens, this most definitely will NOT be a death knell for Hero MotoCorp: I know India better than I did before.
                            Majority of this country hardly goes beyond names. If anything, Hero has gained a lot from the JV.


                            And its an amazing Case Study as to how Hero handled the Honda breakup: One step at a time. Very well handled. No doubt they're leaders of the market. Had they withdrawn immediately & completely, maybe people would've made a fuss of it.... But they kept using Honda engines, which kept the trust intact and will do so until 2014.
                            One step at a time... What a strategy.
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                              re: Hero MotoCorp Develops 3 New Engines: xBhp News

                              Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                              Very happy for Hero MotoCorp. Time has come to move on with better engines that give better mileage, power with enough reliability.
                              60 kmpl was a very good mileage back in the 1980's when 2 strokers ruled the tarmac. Not anymore.
                              Today, 150cc's give the same figure with better torque and at almost similar cost.


                              But now I'm wondering one thing:- For Hardcore Hero Honda followers out there, what will be the excuse they give, now that "reliability" is not one of them?
                              They can't just rely on a name to give them "Japanese reliability", isn't it?

                              But whatever happens, this most definitely will NOT be a death knell for Hero MotoCorp: I know India better than I did before.
                              Majority of this country hardly goes beyond names. If anything, Hero has gained a lot from the JV.


                              And its an amazing Case Study as to how Hero handled the Honda breakup: One step at a time. Very well handled. No doubt they're leaders of the market. Had they withdrawn immediately & completely, maybe people would've made a fuss of it.... But they kept using Honda engines, which kept the trust intact and will do so until 2014.
                              One step at a time... What a strategy.
                              Nicely put up.. by the way.. we can't comment on the reliability just yet.. we have to wait for the new engines and see how much beating the bike can take.. as the Splendor takes any kinda beating..
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