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**pravu** · 02-25-2014, 12:27 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by shadowgun View Post

Flickability, yes r15 is more flickable than 200ns, because it has lower height and shorter handle. And that's enough for low experienced or short height guy's, but for 200ns you need extra skills to knee down.
I will like to ask you the 0-60 and 0-100 of r15 and 200ns.you can use Google.
You want a 250 cc from yamaha below 1.50lakhs, I guess you never actually rode a bike and guessing things by looking pics over internet.
And I'll be happy to see doomsday of bajaj,.

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LOL Man, you almost ragged him and he will never come back here

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**ArnabC** · 02-25-2014, 06:14 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by Dixant Thakore View Post

Damn that instrument panel!!!! Wish i could have one like that on my r15v2

Excellent designing, typical Yamaha....

I would like to have a typical analog tacho. The others will be good as digital...

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Originally posted by abhinesh4r15 View Post

Man that's one awesome piece of engineering and design. Hoping R25/R3 gets the same design and frame. Yes Yamaha!!!

Let's first hope that Yamaha is really planning to bring R25 to the Indian market. As of now there is no sign of it except for the showcase of the concept model. But if they do, I will surely be among the first batch to book one.

**ArnabC** · 02-25-2014, 07:22 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by shadowgun View Post

Avenger and r15 comparison. .? You are trying to compare a sportsbike with a cruiser, I guess you'll bash a 500cc+ bullet too.
And r15 with 200ns. .? Pls use Google, r15 weighs only 9kgs less but has 6.7BHP DIFFERENCE too. And that my friend, is more than enough power for which guys spend 50k + on tuning.
Flickability, yes r15 is more flickable than 200ns, because it has lower height and shorter handle. And that's enough for low experienced or short height guy's, but for 200ns you need extra skills to knee down.
I will like to ask you the 0-60 and 0-100 of r15 and 200ns.you can use Google.
You want a 250 cc from yamaha below 1.50lakhs, I guess you never actually rode a bike and guessing things by looking pics over internet.
And I'll be happy to see doomsday of bajaj,.

First, [MENTION=59997]883[/MENTION] is not comparing an Avenger with a R15. Avenger doesn't come anywhere near to R15 and that's very true and you're very correct to say this.

On paper 0-60 and 0-100 of R15 and 200NS has a huge difference. But that's linear comparision. And I guess we don't get straight and empty roads in India. So whatever R15 is missing in terms of power it easily makes up with its top-of-the-line areodynamics. I have ridden both the bikes cruising at 125kmph and I would say that 200NS is not that stable as R15 in places with strong crosswinds.

And I have covered from B'lore to Pune at 9.5 hrs, excluding breaks, which is the same time taken by a 200NS on the same stretch by a friend of mine, who nonetheless is an experienced rider. So you don't get that much of a difference between these two bikes given the power difference they have. And strictly speaking, R15 is such a pleasure ride at the ghat sections that you will continuously push the bike to lean more and come out with a huge grin, which I have found a bit difficult for 200NS.

PS.: I am not a 200NS hater, whereas actually 200NS is the only model I love from the Bajaj stable.

And you are very correct to say this that Yamaha will never launch a 250cc bike at under 1.5 lacs. Its not gonna happen ever. I guess, if Yamaha really launches R25 in the Indian market it will be north of 2.5 lacs, maybe north of 3 lacs also.

**shadowgun** · 02-25-2014, 07:29 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by ArnabC View Post

First, [MENTION=59997]883[/MENTION] is not comparing an Avenger with a R15. Avenger doesn't come anywhere near to R15 and that's very true and you're very correct to say this.

On paper 0-60 and 0-100 of R15 and 200NS has a huge difference. But that's linear comparision. And I guess we don't get straight and empty roads in India. So whatever R15 is missing in terms of power it easily makes up with its top-of-the-line areodynamics. I have ridden both the bikes cruising at 125kmph and I would say that 200NS is not that stable as R15 in places with strong crosswinds.

And I have covered from B'lore to Pune at 9.5 hrs, excluding breaks, which is the same time taken by a 200NS on the same stretch by a friend of mine, who nonetheless is an experienced rider. So you don't get that much of a difference between these two bikes given the power difference they have. And strictly speaking, R15 is such a pleasure ride at the ghat sections that you will continuously push the bike to lean more and come out with a huge grin, which I have found a bit difficult for 200NS.

PS.: I am not a 200NS hater, whereas actually 200NS is the only model I love from the Bajaj stable.

And you are very correct to say this that Yamaha will never launch a 250cc bike at under 1.5 lacs. Its not gonna happen ever. I guess, if Yamaha really launches R25 in the Indian market it will be north of 2.5 lacs, maybe north of 3 lacs also.

You saying we don't get straight and empty roads. .?
My friend and I just came back from mathura via NH2 and min. Speed was 120 we were doing. Did 200kms+ in less than 3 hours including Delhi traffic.
Second yes, r15 goes 130+ ,no doubt and is more stable due to farings,but that's what their typical type is buddy, ns is a naked bike, ideal for cities, r15 being fared bike, will do better against winds.
Again to say that top end of both bikes is somewhat same (due to faring)
But the way you reach That Top end is totally lazy in r15 as compared to ns, just try shifting at 8krpm + on.both bikes simultaneously and you'll wonder how r15 is such slow.
R25 Will be min 3.25 lacs,I can bet that.

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**ArnabC** · 02-25-2014, 08:28 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by shadowgun View Post

You saying we don't get straight and empty roads. .?
My friend and I just came back from mathura via NH2 and min. Speed was 120 we were doing. Did 200kms+ in less than 3 hours including Delhi traffic.
Second yes, r15 goes 130+ ,no doubt and is more stable due to farings,but that's what their typical type is buddy, ns is a naked bike, ideal for cities, r15 being fared bike, will do better against winds.
Again to say that top end of both bikes is somewhat same (due to faring)
But the way you reach That Top end is totally lazy in r15 as compared to ns, just try shifting at 8krpm + on.both bikes simultaneously and you'll wonder how r15 is such slow.
R25 Will be min 3.25 lacs,I can bet that.

You're correct to say that reaching top end is lazy in R15 and its obvious from the differences in the power output. But in the same bike I covered 250 kms in 2.5 hrs, and yes I did get some straight and empty roads in the B'lore-Pune stretch, specially after Chitradurga

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Both the bikes have a near about same top end but that's what I am trying to say. With better aerodynamics R15 can hold that speed continuously because of lesser crosswinds effect.

Else my friend would have beaten me blue in his NS. NS can reach the top end faster but can't hold it for long. Reaching the top end is not possible in cities and you've to hit the highways my friend, and in the highways you'll face strong crosswinds, specially during the straight and empty patches.

I hope the R25 is launched at 3.25 lacs. Gone to the savings mode already.

But if they don't even by this year end , then my next obvious choice will be the Ninja 300. Lets keep my fingers crossed.

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Originally posted by abhinesh4r15 View Post

Man that's one awesome piece of engineering and design. Hoping R25/R3 gets the same design and frame. Yes Yamaha!!!

Yes !!! We all are hoping but I doubt if Yamaha is noticing about our hopes.

**Suresh@yammie** · 02-25-2014, 08:49 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

F**king awesome man, now this is called designing, Bajaj, learn something from yamaha....

Originally posted by shootingstar View Post

If bajaj will start learning from YAMAHA there will be no Pulsar 180,200,220, KTM 200, KTM 390 and only bike till 150 cc

no offence.
Its hard to me to understand why yamaha is not launching any big (i mean only 250-40occ) bike in india even suzuki have launched 300cc bike

No bro...he only just point out the design that Yamaha is known for... I do agree that bajaj has got some bigger bikes in india.... How far they effective other than power and capacity? Are they comparable in terms of quality... Have they manage to control vibration once crossing 90km?
And ktm is not using or following technology developed by bajaj, whereas bajaj holds the stake say some % of ktm got the copyright for Duke inspired pulsar Ns( is that bajaj's own design)

ktm is the top motorcycle maker in Europe. As long as KTM exist bajaj may get copyright for redesigning its variants. So Yamaha is the biggest motorcycle maker in the globe ( even CEO of KTM stephen pierer is a big fan of Yamaha and he personally owns a Yamaha YZF- R1). They don't have to prove anything to anyone because they know how to make 100cc and make it go at 110 km/h. That too without any vibs.

I do agree that,they are very slow to bring higher capacity bikes to india Yamaha's Bigger international models are started to enter india... They have so much to offer in future for india. But by the time I will turn 50 years old

cheers

**somen1984** · 02-25-2014, 09:32 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by shootingstar View Post

If bajaj will start learning from YAMAHA there will be no Pulsar 180,200,220, KTM 200, KTM 390 and only bike till 150 cc

no offence.
Its hard to me to understand why yamaha is not launching any big (i mean only 250-40occ) bike in india even suzuki have launched 300cc bike

Which SUZUKI 300cc bike in India ?? Which one ?

**Suresh@yammie** · 02-25-2014, 09:42 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by shootingstar View Post

if bajaj will start learning from yamaha there will be no pulsar 180,200,220, ktm 200, ktm 390 and only bike till 150 cc

no offence.
Its hard to me to understand why yamaha is not launching any big (i mean only 250-40occ) bike in india even suzuki have launched 300cc bike

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

which suzuki 300cc bike in india ?? Which one ?

Heeeee

**pravu** · 02-26-2014, 01:45 AM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

Which SUZUKI 300cc bike in India ?? Which one ?

I think shootingstar lives up to his name perfectly!

**shootingstar** · 02-26-2014, 08:25 AM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

Which SUZUKI 300cc bike in India ?? Which one ?

My bad, not 300cc but 250 cc

Originally posted by Suresh@yammie View Post

I do agree that,they are very slow to bring higher capacity bikes to india Yamaha's Bigger international models are started to enter india... They have so much to offer in future for india. But by the time I will turn 50 years old

cheers

Yamaha was in India in late 1990 also and producing 135 cc YAMAHA RXG,RXZ and every six month or one year they will come up with new term like Y.E.I.S and no new bikes.Now about 15 years later they are making 150cc bike (commendable), It took them 15 years to go from 135cc to 150cc i.e. 1cc per year so by the time you will turn 50 assuming you are 25 years old they will have 175cc bike

which you can enjoy. At this rate they have lot of product to offer in future.

Someone was talking about bajaj not being vibration free above 80kmph, dude you must go and try atleast one well maintained pulsar 220 and I assure you its very smooth above 80 kmph

**Suresh@yammie** · 02-26-2014, 10:27 AM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by shootingstar View Post

My bad, not 300cc but 250 cc

Ok bro... Let it be Where is suzuki's so called 250 cc bike, has that launched?

Originally posted by shootingstar View Post

Yamaha was in India in late 1990 also and producing 135 cc YAMAHA RXG,RXZ and every six month or one year they will come up with new term like Y.E.I.S and no new bikes.Now about 15 years later they are making 150cc bike (commendable), It took them 15 years to go from 135cc to 150cc i.e. 1cc per year so by the time you will turn 50 assuming you are 25 years old they will have 175cc bike

which you can enjoy. At this rate they have lot of product to offer in future.

Someone was talking about bajaj not being vibration free above 80kmph, dude you must go and try atleast one well maintained pulsar 220 and I assure you its very smooth above 80 kmph

Even me agree that and got frustrated at times about yamaha's laziness in bringing quarter litre & more bikes to india, and they came up with some little changes here and there. 50 years all I said due to frustration and the pace at which they are moving ahead. But this pace need not be always predefined for another 25years, Demanding situation will surely force yamaha to act rapidly as the competitors comes up with huge updates, say another 5 years will decide yamaha's fate whether they are in contention with their rivals. Need not wait 25years

Yes P220 is good & producing considerably good power, fastest indian at that point of time. Probably a better bike with better built quality prior to the launch of NS , but how long this will continue (this is one instance but there are plenty to say), after 8 months bike is still running but how??? Are you getting the same pleasure of every ride after few months? hard to find where the noise is coming, right from the panels to engine, there is no engine balancing shaft , it trends to vibrate once crossing the mid range and vibs getting spread to footpeg straight away.. I'm not comparing with any bike, just saying why don't they learn lesson from it & keep on producing unbalanced engines...

All i can say is All the best to bajaj for producing good quality bikes in future

I looking forward to it:thumbup:

**samcan123** · 02-27-2014, 03:52 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

The front cowl and the instrument console are eye catchy.

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Originally posted by Suresh@yammie View Post

Ok bro... Let it be Where is suzuki's so called 250 cc bike, has that launched?

Suzuki has launched the 250CC bike called 'Inazuma'. There has been some rave reviews about the looks of Inazuma, but I personally like it. The main problem is that Suzuki has got the price wrong. It's north of 3 lakhs. Even if Yamaha brings R25, they might price it insanely as Suzuki. I just don't understand why the Japs like Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki price their quarter-litre bikes highly. Is it because they wanted to increase the profit to make up for the lesser number of 250cc bikes sold?

**Divya Sharan** · 02-27-2014, 04:25 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by samcan123 View Post

I just don't understand why the Japs like Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki price their quarter-litre bikes highly. Is it because they wanted to increase the profit to make up for the lesser number of 250cc bikes sold?

Various factors:

1. The bike may be CKD/CBU, adding to the final price tag.
2. Brand image.
3. Segment. 250cc and above is not (yet) a mass moving segment in India.

**Ron Syl** · 02-27-2014, 04:27 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Various factors:

1. The bike may be CKD/CBU, adding to the final price tag.
2. Brand image.
3. Segment. 250cc and above is not (yet) a mass moving segment in India.

add to that the RnD involved. and also the profit since indian companies have better chance of pricing low and making profits.

**joshi.varun91** · 02-28-2014, 01:03 PM

Re: 2014 Yamaha YZF R125 Launched: xBhp News

Originally posted by Suresh@yammie View Post

Ok bro... Let it be Where is suzuki's so called 250 cc bike, has that launched?

Even me agree that and got frustrated at times about yamaha's laziness in bringing quarter litre & more bikes to india, and they came up with some little changes here and there. 50 years all I said due to frustration and the pace at which they are moving ahead. But this pace need not be always predefined for another 25years, Demanding situation will surely force yamaha to act rapidly as the competitors comes up with huge updates, say another 5 years will decide yamaha's fate whether they are in contention with their rivals. Need not wait 25years

Yes P220 is good & producing considerably good power, fastest indian at that point of time. Probably a better bike with better built quality prior to the launch of NS , but how long this will continue (this is one instance but there are plenty to say), after 8 months bike is still running but how??? Are you getting the same pleasure of every ride after few months? hard to find where the noise is coming, right from the panels to engine, there is no engine balancing shaft , it trends to vibrate once crossing the mid range and vibs getting spread to footpeg straight away.. I'm not comparing with any bike, just saying why don't they learn lesson from it & keep on producing unbalanced engines...

All i can say is All the best to bajaj for producing good quality bikes in future

I looking forward to it:thumbup:

Is this the year 2009-10 ! Lol, no offense but i remember such fights happening then when p220 and r15 dominated the market. When there used to be threads over threads of people proving why their respective bikes were the best. Such a nostalgic moment

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