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**Cleaner** · 11-09-2014, 06:15 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Good move, because manufacturers are reluctant to provide ABS in India, yes I'm talking about Bajaj/KTM. You see ABS on 200 Duke everywhere but not in India, same goes with RC200.
On a side note, Continental must be happy.
There was a Continental guy here in this forum, somebody tag him please.

EDIT: Any reliable source on the news please, those news sites could be making it up, or just predicting since ABS is being made mandatory for 4-wheelers, it could be made mandatory for bikes too. Actually the term "a senior government official" is making me skeptical.

**Minisoda** · 11-09-2014, 07:17 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Great news this. Finally its nice to see India catch up with the rest of the world.

For bikes with drum brakes, single channel ABS could be possible i.e. The disk brake on the front wheel will be ABS equipped while the rear would be a conventional drum brake. I hope I am right about single channel ABS because it is still better than having nothing at all.

Looking forward to see ABS rings on disks of all bikes!

**princesirohi** · 11-10-2014, 11:20 AM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

dont know when it can be implemented completely, or whether it can truly be implemented. we still have 100 CC bikes/scooters running on drum brakes.

its also a matter of cost, how much extra ppl are willing to pay for ABS.

**sparky** · 11-10-2014, 12:11 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

ABS is good to have but auto companies should then release models both with and without ABS because ABS adds substantial cost to the price. Also ABS for two wheelers below 150cc doesn't make much sense.

**chakresh** · 11-10-2014, 12:16 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by sparky View Post

ABS is good to have but auto companies should then release models both with and without ABS because ABS adds substantial cost to the price. Also ABS for two wheelers below 150cc doesn't make much sense.

Why. .??...wont it be useful on a 100 cc machine when the person riding it has to do panic braking at any corner .

you live only once.....

**sparky** · 11-10-2014, 01:12 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Well, in that case why not for TVS XL, even they need to do panic braking? It doesn't pay to apply a rule blindly.

IMO, ABS is not really required for street driving if one drives as per the speed limits in city. It however is a different case on highways where this is most useful.

**sunilg** · 11-10-2014, 02:33 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

dont know when it can be implemented completely, or whether it can truly be implemented. we still have 100 CC bikes/scooters running on drum brakes.

its also a matter of cost, how much extra ppl are willing to pay for ABS.

Originally posted by sparky View Post

ABS is good to have but auto companies should then release models both with and without ABS because ABS adds substantial cost to the price. Also ABS for two wheelers below 150cc doesn't make much sense.

i think you guys missed the point where the news report said that it would be implemented in a phased manner, meaning the bigger, more powerful bikes will be taken care of first and then to the smaller bikes as the time and technology progresses and the costs come down due to more usage and mass production.

Also, road safety is not a matter of personal choice. If there is something that can make our roads safer, it should be made mandatory even if it means unaffordability for some people. If people can buy a 50K bike, they can surely spend 5k extra for safety. Those who don't want to, should stick to public transport.

**payeng** · 11-10-2014, 02:36 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

Also, road safety is not a matter of personal choice. If there is something that can make our roads safer, it should be made mandatory even if it means affordability for some people.

Extremely well said.

Nothing is more valuable and important than human life.

**sparky** · 11-10-2014, 03:22 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

For people without a personal sense of responsibility, which is the cause of most accidents in India, an ABS will not be the magic remedy.

If ABS was that important as you said then it would have been made compulsory since the day it was invented- as always it is a trade-off. So, when I said is it is good to have I meant that this technology is actually targeted for vehicles of certain power/capacity.

**sunilg** · 11-10-2014, 03:41 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by sparky View Post

For people without a personal sense of responsibility, which is the cause of most accidents in India, an ABS will not be the magic remedy.

If ABS was that important as you said then it would have been made compulsory since the day it was invented- as always it is a trade-off. So, when I said is it is good to have I meant that this technology is actually targeted for vehicles of certain power/capacity.

There are no magic wands. Rider training/better equipment, better infrastructure all add up and play a significant role in making travel safer. Each of these things take their own time during implementation. For example, the rider training is a longer process than fitting better brakes or ABS in his bike. You can't hold doing one thing until all the other things are completed.

Agree, in India, the biggest problem is the mentality of the road users. And it will take generations before we will have majority of the sensible road users. But should we hold on to implementing things like mandatory ABS/disc brake until then? No!

Also, we can debate on whether we should really make ABS mandatory. It is a very small issue. But if you look at the bigger picture, it would show a big change in the authority's mindset. At least they are thinking about road safety. Whether or not they are able to implement it is a different issue altogether.

**TheArcher84** · 11-10-2014, 03:52 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

It all depends on the cost factor again. I guess the smallest ABS unit available was on the CBR 250 ..isn't it ?. Just for the cost factor, we should not be compromising on the quality factor, after all ABS is to keep us safe.

**Divya Sharan** · 11-10-2014, 03:54 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post

It all depends on the cost factor again. I guess the smallest ABS unit available was on the CBR 250 ..isn't it ?. Just for the cost factor, we should not be compromising on the quality factor, after all ABS is to keep us safe.

Not the CBR, but our own Apache RTR 180. Difference was 10k. I'm sure with similar tech built on all bikes, the difference should at least get halved over time.

**princesirohi** · 11-10-2014, 04:29 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

... it should be made mandatory even if it means unaffordability for some people. If people can buy a 50K bike, they can surely spend 5k extra for safety. Those who don't want to, should stick to public transport.

Strongly disagree sir.

to a person who CAN AFFORD, above statement is correct

BUT

for a person who CAN NOT AFFORD (with additional price hike), it is just a ploy by "those who can afford" to keep "those who can not afford" in the "those who can not afford" class.

for a person who is at the top and looking down, has a very different view of things .. than that of a person sitting at bottom and looking up.

even if you fit all the vehicles with ABS, in my opinion, it will not bring down the accident rate significantly.

educating ppl, training them, improving the mindset will be much more helpful. strict implementation of traffic rules, strict tests for awarding liscence, removing corruption will yield much better results. sadly nothing is done in this direction.

the entire gamut of police, bureaucrats, politicians, MP, MLA etc failed to enforce as simple a thing as making helmets mandatory for everybody in pune. and they want to make my humble 100 CC splendour motorcycle costly by 5000 rupees. no sir, i will not agree.

**Balgi** · 11-10-2014, 05:25 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

Strongly disagree sir.

to a person who CAN AFFORD, above statement is correct

BUT

for a person who CAN NOT AFFORD (with additional price hike), it is just a ploy by "those who can afford" to keep "those who can not afford" in the "those who can not afford" class.

for a person who is at the top and looking down, has a very different view of things .. than that of a person sitting at bottom and looking up.

even if you fit all the vehicles with ABS, in my opinion, it will not bring down the accident rate significantly.

educating ppl, training them, improving the mindset will be much more helpful. strict implementation of traffic rules, strict tests for awarding liscence, removing corruption will yield much better results. sadly nothing is done in this direction.

the entire gamut of police, bureaucrats, politicians, MP, MLA etc failed to enforce as simple a thing as making helmets mandatory for everybody in pune. and they want to make my humble 100 CC splendour motorcycle costly by 5000 rupees. no sir, i will not agree.

You might end up changing your mind if you break and fall due to wheel skid.
But why are we even arguing about it.
Smaller 100cc bikes will get the non electronic ABS setup found on most Chinese bikes (its just a bleeder with no calibration feature to adapt to riders needs). And big bikes will get ABS+traction control. The only reason ABS (non-electronic) is costly is because most people don't even know how the engine on their bikes actually work to move the bike (they think its voodoo, don't believe me? Go ask and enjoy the stupidity). So companies get to charge premium prices for new albeit insignificant tech. When it gets mandated (that's if it gets mandated which in the wake of the existence of company lobbyists I highly doubt) it'll get cheaper that too significantly.

**s1d** · 11-10-2014, 05:48 PM

Re: Government to make ABS mandatory on motorcycles and scooters in India

First, the licensing policy should be improved. Something on the lines of the EU.
Secondly, obtaining a license here in India is a walk in the park and not a ride on a bike or car.
Without proper rider education/training and strict enforcement by the RTO's in issuing license and the traffic police maintaining proper laws and order on the road, the ABS will in most cases will be useless. I do agree that bigger capacity bikes >200cc should come with ABS but again a powerful machine in the hands of a inexperienced rider even with ABS(experience doesn't just mean riding 20k km on some bike, there is a lot more to it.) is not going to help. From what i've observed is that, some of the crashes are simply due to panic where the rider is too shocked/blank to even apply the brakes or the brakes are applied too late for even abs to help.
Our govt is known to come up with such ideas of implementing technology without making an effort to improve the ground realities.

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