I think Bajaj will lose the case to TVS, patents is still in infancy stage in India. Twin sparks is almost century old concept I don't understand the logic of Patent India office's patenting such a old and generic technology in the name of Bajaj. Hope Bajaj doesn't patent 'the wheel'
Bajaj is represented by high profile lawyer (wife of our Home minister).

First u understand this.

Bajaj holds patent for bikes within 250cc , the patent being valid only in India.

Madras HC says that the flame has a different Valve configuration and so it can use the tech. But Bajaj is pulling them to SC.

BTW even TVS holds patents for lockable storage space in petrol tank

A company patents something just because it had thought of it before others and it doesnt want it s competitors to bank on it!

It s all business.

Sir, Bajaj didn't know what 4S technology on 2W means untill Honda came with their CD100. All Bajaj bikes are built on borrowed/copied technologies. KTM website salutes Bajaj as a bike 'assembler' on their website. Twin spark is generic and common technology it's not something that can be called an invention nor innovation, my engineering college had twin sparks on a lambretta engine, the project was done by a batch that passed out in 1976, the project was undertaken to study emmission levels with two spark plugs, it's an idea that's already avialable and not an unique one as Bajaj is claiming. I am just questioning Patent India office's prudence in accepting such applications.

Is it? Thanx for the info. Anything else? BTW What do u say about HH?

Arent they worser "assemblers" than Bajaj? They get all the stuff from Honda and all they do is paint them red and re-sticker ,launch them as upgrades.

And if u dont mind can u tell me what bajaj copied/borrowed?


Did i say that it is one?

If it is a common technology, why didnt any other Indian company use them in their bikes before Bajaj?


OH is it? Great. If ur "engg college" had patented it earlier , it could have right royally taken Bajaj to court on their knees

@insanebiker : If my engg. college thought it was 'great and unique idea' they would wasted no time in patenting it.

BTW What do u say about HH?

I have nothing to tell about HH, it makes bikes in collaboration with Honda everyone knows that, atleast they make trouble free bikes and don't waste time and energy in trivial issues

Why bother about BAL wasting their time then? As simple as that, Move on!

How would u have anything to tell

The point here is not trouble giving / trouble free bikes, it s about "assembling" as u pointed out.

U said KTM says Bajaj is a assembler. Isnt "assembling" all that HH does?

I didnt bring this point, u did. And now u dont have an answer.

And as usual u have omitted parts of my previous post for which u dont have an answer

Cheers! and Move on; for God's sake.

goooshhh...


how many of your kind do we have here......

@insanebiker : Yeah, both do assembly jobs by and large !! At the end of the day, it's about what customer gets and what customer feels about the product. When it comes to general comparision like quality, reliability, fuel efficiency, technology, service, HH simply beats Bajaj. HH products simply inspires confidence

And if u dont mind can u tell me what bajaj copied/borrowed?
Everything, b'cos Bajaj thought it can kill CD100 by Chetak 2S, then it thought by pumping more money into ads, and then Chetak 4S, all failed, Bajaj was simply stumped and hence it went to Kawa.
If Bajaj is so good in bike technology, they should have got good RVMs for their flag-ship model, P220. At 60kmph the objects are blurred atleast I expected Bajaj to recall and replace 'robust RVMs', they didn't do it, b'cos they don't have technology for simple things. How would Bajaj feel if RTOs ban all P220 for improper/non-functional RVMs ?

If it is a common technology, why didnt any other Indian company use them in their bikes before Bajaj?
According to Bajaj, DTSi for 'more power'. CBZ-X has one spark and still produces more power from same cc ? So how do you substantiate 'more power' concept of Bajaj ?
BTW, 'twin spark technology' in google search says that tech. dates back to early as 1914

^ U seem to be of the "desperate" kind. Do u work for HH?

Go out and have a breath of fresh air!

The same old Bajaj Vs HH duel sparks off....

From your profile pic, it seems that you ride one of those CBZs...no wonder, you have been praising HH so much. I dont blame you for that.

I myself have been using products from Kinetic Honda to Bajaj to HH (and I still have all of them), Each comes with its own set of pros and cons. This does not mean that I shout myself hoarse about the shortcomings of a particular brand.

If you feel that the mighty HH has taught Bajaj everything, that's your perception and you are free to keep it...but would recommend that you get your facts and history right.

@insanebiker : Yeah, both do assembly jobs by and large !! At the end of the day, it's about what customer gets and what customer feels about the product. When it comes to general comparision like quality, reliability, fuel efficiency, technology, service, HH simply beats Bajaj. HH products simply inspires confidence [/quote]

^ Have u ever owned a Bajaj? If not , why do u spring up first to crib about it?



And if u dont mind can u tell me what bajaj copied/borrowed?
Everything, b'cos Bajaj thought it can kill CD100 by Chetak 2S, then it thought by pumping more money into ads, and then Chetak 4S, all failed, Bajaj was simply stumped and hence it went to Kawa.
If Bajaj is so good in bike technology, they should have got good RVMs for their flag-ship model, P220. At 60kmph the objects are blurred atleast I expected Bajaj to recall and replace 'robust RVMs', they didn't do it, b'cos they don't have technology for simple things. How would Bajaj feel if RTOs ban all P220 for improper/non-functional RVMs ?

^ Do u find anything relevant to what i asked and what u have typed ?

If it is a common technology, why didnt any other Indian company use them in their bikes before Bajaj?
According to Bajaj, DTSi for 'more power'. CBZ-X has one spark and still produces more power from same cc ? So how do you substantiate 'more power' concept of Bajaj ?
BTW, 'twin spark technology' in google search says that tech. dates back to early as 1914

^When did Bajaj say DTS-i = More power?

DTS-i ensures that the fuel is completely burnt and hence a bump in FE without any decrease in power.

Again u havent answered to what i have highlighted , as always.

True..........
There is a bug/defect life cycle of every product in the world.......
and honda engines when they make entry into india....they are already out of the defect life cycle....not because of ther reliability....but because of their age.....
And companies like Bajaj and TVS slug there asses off to provide up-to-date latest technology and gadgetry at affordable prices...!

And if u dont mind can u tell me what bajaj copied/borrowed?

CD100 & Chetak 2s....
Anyways, Hondas JV with Hero was formed in 1984.....and Bajajs with Kawasaki in 1986.....!





Needless to say that every company has pros and cons....to you....!
I might hurl some examples from your own dictionary....but..probably next time when you become ripe to take and understand the world....!

^ Have u ever owned a Bajaj? If not , why do u spring up first to crib about it?

YES P180 (classic) the worst handler


And if u dont mind can u tell me what bajaj copied/borrowed?
Everything, b'cos Bajaj thought it can kill CD100 by Chetak 2S, then it thought by pumping more money into ads, and then Chetak 4S, all failed, Bajaj was simply stumped and hence it went to Kawa.
If Bajaj is so good in bike technology, they should have got good RVMs for their flag-ship model, P220. At 60kmph the objects are blurred atleast I expected Bajaj to recall and replace 'robust RVMs', they didn't do it, b'cos they don't have technology for simple things. How would Bajaj feel if RTOs ban all P220 for improper/non-functional RVMs ?

^ Do u find anything relevant to what i asked and what u have typed ?

First word 'everything'

If it is a common technology, why didnt any other Indian company use them in their bikes before Bajaj?
According to Bajaj, DTSi for 'more power'. CBZ-X has one spark and still produces more power from same cc ? So how do you substantiate 'more power' concept of Bajaj ?
BTW, 'twin spark technology' in google search says that tech. dates back to early as 1914

^When did Bajaj say DTS-i = More power?

DTS-i ensures that the fuel is completely burnt and hence a bump in FE without any decrease in power.

Again u havent answered to what i have highlighted , as always.[/quote]

Well, no one used before Bajaj, that doesn't mean that Bajaj can Patent 1914 idea in India !!

@niranjan Sir : Kawa and Vespa have taught Bajaj everything not HH, HH is competitor, HH is completely technology dependent company built on brand HONDA and it's technologies.

+1. Could not agree with you anymore.