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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
    I don't think so. A 300 can also be used to tour quite efficiently. Ofcourse not as good a 650 when it comes to touring, but that would be good enough. Its more suited for people who would like a ride that they can take around the track without too much hassle and also with a touring capability that is reasonably good. Like I said, if the 400 is released here, it will be apt only for those who want a strictly touring machine but they don't have the money to get a 650 but just enough for the 400 while totally ignoring the 300 altogether. I'm not sure how many bikers belong to that category in India. From my point of view, if they release the 400 and 300 here, the 300 will obviously cannibalize the 400. And I guess that's the same reason they aren't selling it in other markets as well.



    We find such type of upgrade stages hard to accept because we are used to a different kind of upgrading. When I said my friends that I'm going to get a 250/300 cc as my first bike, they said that I wouldn't be able to ride it and that its too much for a beginner. What they said was that I should get a 150cc bike first then upgrade to a 250/300cc. I simply don't see the point in buying a bike that I'm not even going to use for 2 years. This seems to be the scenario that is present here. People usually buy a 125/150 cc, then upgrade to a 180 and then to a 200/250. Many don't even go beyond 200. Even though you won't even feel like you've upgraded when you do it like that. Now when you pick a 250/300 or even a 650 as your first bike and then upgrade to a 600(Supersports) or a litre class(Tourer/Cruiser), you will feel a significant difference. Basically that's what an upgrade is supposed to give you in my humble opinion.
    P.S: Surely a litre class in our country will be seen as a big overkill. A Supersports 600 will be enough, but the reason people often pick a litre bike is due to the insignificant difference between a 600 and litre bike in India, as both are usually CBU imports.

    Please think very fairly what would happen when a 5'6 ft average built Indian who weighs only 65kgs... whose monthly income is well below Rs. 35000 per month..... learns biking on a Ninja 250 or a CBR250R!! The bikes that are best in power to weight in its class in the world in its segment.. already weighing 167 to 172 kgs!!! Man... we live here in India... Im sure Chennai is not yet any of the above mentioned countries... I only see TVS 50s in abundance in most parts of TN when I visit there... only having upgraded to TVS RTRs recently....

    Comming back to the topic... please bring it on to make the Indian biking scene more exciting for pure rich enthusiasts... and for other wannabees to dream and wish for it.... :-)
    Last edited by xPolice; 12-31-2012, 10:10 AM.

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    • #17
      @pravin_murthy: Please do not ridicule or attack someone personally. Next time it will be an infraction.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by xPolice View Post
        @pravin_murthy: Please do not ridicule or attack someone personally. Next time it will be an infraction.
        I think youve understood my words incorrectly. I never meant any personal attack on any member. Being rich is a compliment and its not to ridicule anybody. I would personally be very happy to hear something like that..

        Anyways.. its your call... and Im happy any which way...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Traveller01 View Post
          exactly! This is what I wanted to convey. Why discriminate on the basis of cc? A capacity of a bike never defines its character. Kawasaki ninja 650 & zx6r cannot be compared to each other just because they share similar engine capacity its just like comparing a enfield 350 to a KTM 390! I didn't meant the series of bike as an upgrade of single person but as an option for everyone. From 250cc..........800cc there is a huge gap with extreme potential for indian market, I request the manufacturers to fill the above dots & beg the govt to support them.
          I don't know, how good do you think the models will sell even if they design and release just for the sake of the Indian market? Like I said before, most if not all rarely even think of going beyond a 250 Sports/Tourer. Its that kind of bikers who have both the money as well as the passion that go beyond 250 and get a 650/600/litre bikes. Some have the passion for having a bigger machine, but not the money. I think such models if released will not find that much of a reception here, it will be apt only for those who are really stuck in the middle, between having a lower capacity machine and a higher one. Still I don't know how many will go for such models if you have a lower version that has better features. Surely you can't compare a ZX-6R with a 650R, they are drastically different. But I don't see why 300 and 400 shouldn't be compared. I personally don't think that the 300 is purely track oriented like the ZX6R. Yes it will be better in the tracks than touring, but that doesn't mean you can't tour with it at all. And its more VFM than the 400. But like I said before, that's my opinion.
          Originally posted by pravin.murthy View Post
          Please think very fairly what would happen when a 5'6 ft average built Indian who weighs only 65kgs... whose monthly income is well below Rs. 35000 per month..... learns biking on a Ninja 250 or a CBR250R!! The bikes that are best in power to weight in its class in the world in its segment.. already weighing 167 to 172 kgs!!! Man... we live here in India... Im sure Chennai is not yet any of the above mentioned countries... I only see TVS 50s in abundance in most parts of TN when I visit there... only having upgraded to TVS RTRs recently....

          Comming back to the topic... please bring it on to make the Indian biking scene more exciting for pure rich enthusiasts... and for other wannabees to dream and wish for it.... :-)
          I'm a 5'7 average built guy weighing 70kg, and I don't think it will be a big problem for me to start from a CBR250R or a Ninja 250R or Ninja 300. But not everyone may feel comfortable with that. I agree that not all are rich so you can't expect everyone here to go buy a Sports bike that costs over 2 lakhs. What I'm trying to say is, companies already find it hard to sell their higher capacity bikes in India due to the high costs. What good is it going to do for them to release too many models in such a segment? It would be a plain waste of resources given the fact that it won't help them in any other market than India and maybe a few others. And it would be wrong to think that everyone in other countries will own a superbike. Even there people use mopeds too, but the fact is the ones used there are much more powerful than here. I'm not saying that India has slow bikes, it's got a good potential, but we aren't using it to the fullest. We are more hesistant to bigger machines because primarily most of us consider our rides nothing more than a means of transport. If at all the Ninja 400 is released, it will garner only those specific enthusiasts who are stuck between a 300 and a 650.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
            I don't know, how good do you think the models will sell even if they design and release just for the sake of the Indian market? Like I said before, most if not all rarely even think of going beyond a 250 Sports/Tourer. Its that kind of bikers who have both the money as well as the passion that go beyond 250 and get a 650/600/litre bikes. Some have the passion for having a bigger machine, but not the money. I think such models if released will not find that much of a reception here, it will be apt only for those who are really stuck in the middle, between having a lower capacity machine and a higher one. Still I don't know how many will go for such models if you have a lower version that has better features. Surely you can't compare a ZX-6R with a 650R, they are drastically different. But I don't see why 300 and 400 shouldn't be compared. I personally don't think that the 300 is purely track oriented like the ZX6R. Yes it will be better in the tracks than touring, but that doesn't mean you can't tour with it at all. And its more VFM than the 400. But like I said before, that's my opinion.

            I'm a 5'7 average built guy weighing 70kg, and I don't think it will be a big problem for me to start from a CBR250R or a Ninja 250R or Ninja 300. But not everyone may feel comfortable with that. I agree that not all are rich so you can't expect everyone here to go buy a Sports bike that costs over 2 lakhs. What I'm trying to say is, companies already find it hard to sell their higher capacity bikes in India due to the high costs. What good is it going to do for them to release too many models in such a segment? It would be a plain waste of resources given the fact that it won't help them in any other market than India and maybe a few others. And it would be wrong to think that everyone in other countries will own a superbike. Even there people use mopeds too, but the fact is the ones used there are much more powerful than here. I'm not saying that India has slow bikes, it's got a good potential, but we aren't using it to the fullest. We are more hesistant to bigger machines because primarily most of us consider our rides nothing more than a means of transport. If at all the Ninja 400 is released, it will garner only those specific enthusiasts who are stuck between a 300 and a 650.
            Was just curious to ask you a few questions... 1. Do you know driving? 2. How old are you? 3. If you know driving whats the fastest bike that you have ridden and how fast?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pravin.murthy View Post
              Was just curious to ask you a few questions... 1. Do you know driving? 2. How old are you? 3. If you know driving whats the fastest bike that you have ridden and how fast?
              Ya I do know driving and posses a valid DL(Motorcycle and LMV), I'm 19. The fastest I've ridden on was an Activa and approximately 95ks(on the speedo) maybe around 85~90 true speed, not sure about the errors in Activa. (I'm yet to get my first ride so until then I'll have to stick with this one )
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              • #22
                A new 400cc ninja is a good idea to be launch in India but they should change the looks of the bike
                bcoz there are people who have bought 650cc ninja by paying extra (huge) amount of money but both of them have same or bit different looks what is the use when both of them pass by the look alike
                i had faced problems when i bought my Yamaha r1 people started asking me that if i had modified my Yamaha r15
                its a slap on the face....
                company should produce a new and different look bikes in different segments
                same in all the company's

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
                  I don't know, how good do you think the models will sell even if they design and release just for the sake of the Indian market? Like I said before, most if not all rarely even think of going beyond a 250 Sports/Tourer. Its that kind of bikers who have both the money as well as the passion that go beyond 250 and get a 650/600/litre bikes. Some have the passion for having a bigger machine, but not the money. I think such models if released will not find that much of a reception here, it will be apt only for those who are really stuck in the middle, between having a lower capacity machine and a higher one. Still I don't know how many will go for such models if you have a lower version that has better features. Surely you can't compare a ZX-6R with a 650R, they are drastically different. But I don't see why 300 and 400 shouldn't be compared. I personally don't think that the 300 is purely track oriented like the ZX6R. Yes it will be better in the tracks than touring, but that doesn't mean you can't tour with it at all. And its more VFM than the 400. But like I said before, that's my opinion.

                  I'm a 5'7 average built guy weighing 70kg, and I don't think it will be a big problem for me to start from a CBR250R or a Ninja 250R or Ninja 300. But not everyone may feel comfortable with that. I agree that not all are rich so you can't expect everyone here to go buy a Sports bike that costs over 2 lakhs. What I'm trying to say is, companies already find it hard to sell their higher capacity bikes in India due to the high costs. What good is it going to do for them to release too many models in such a segment? It would be a plain waste of resources given the fact that it won't help them in any other market than India and maybe a few others. And it would be wrong to think that everyone in other countries will own a superbike. Even there people use mopeds too, but the fact is the ones used there are much more powerful than here. I'm not saying that India has slow bikes, it's got a good potential, but we aren't using it to the fullest. We are more hesistant to bigger machines because primarily most of us consider our rides nothing more than a means of transport. If at all the Ninja 400 is released, it will garner only those specific enthusiasts who are stuck between a 300 and a 650.
                  Really this statement that too on XBHP

                  My Edit would be :-We are more hesistant to bigger machines because primarily most of the big bikes are priced over our budget .
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Vineet_200 View Post
                    Really this statement that too on XBHP

                    My Edit would be :-We are more hesistant to bigger machines because primarily most of the big bikes are priced over our budget .
                    That statement was not directed towards the community of this forum. Like I said, some of the people if not all in our country have the passion or the heart of a biker, but constrained due to money matters. The lot I was referring to are those people outside this forum, that buy a bike with that attitude. They don't bother to check on their rides' needs and abuse it like anything.
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                    • #25
                      First of all I'm a little confused because the bike looks like a Ninja 400 & not like a 400 R....idk whether Kawasaki sells it as a 400R but it sure doesn't look like a racing machine from any angle to me...

                      The thing is the Indian mind-set is still not ready to accept bikes dedicated for a specific purpose...I mean so many people in India , irrespective of what they want from their bike , are comparing sports bikes with naked bikes...like the comparo b/w the R15 & the Pulsar 220 or 200 NS or the Duke 200...
                      plus the 400 looks the same as the Ninja 650 & therefore I don't believe that it would bring a lot of sales for Kawasaki in the Indian market...cuz a guy who's ready to spend 4+ lacs on a 400 cc bike won't mind stretching his/ her budget a tad more to get the 650 instead...cuz both the 400 & 650 are NOT performance oriented bikes , both are tourers...so there isn't any major difference in the riding dynamics b/w them...

                      So provided that Kawasaki launches the Ninja 300 R & the Ninja 400 ( the one shown in the picture ) in India , I'd definitely go for the 300 R over the 400 because of the following reasons :
                      1.) 300 R looks much much much better than the 400 or 650
                      2.) More involved riding position
                      3.) Performance oriented
                      4.) Looks apart ( doesn't look like the 650 !! )
                      5.) More economical

                      & if I had to upgrade from a 300 cc bike I'd rather go for the R6 or CBR 500 R...having said that if a guy wants to upgrade from a 150 or probably 200 cc bike then the Ninja 400 could make sense...and for us customers : the more the options, the better...
                      Last edited by nishant.sukharia; 01-02-2013, 06:28 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
                        I don't see the point in having a 400CC learner bike when you have a good 300(N300) version with a better VFM and features. The way I see it, if you need to buy a bike, and only one bike that you will be keeping for a long time without any upgrade to higher versions, then you might think of getting the 400, even then, a 650 would be more apt(Some consider even the 650 as good learner bikes). But if you are going to go for an upgrade after your first bike (like a 600CC SuperSports) then, it would be best to pick the 300. I personally don't think that its worth spending more than 50~60k just for few more hp. If they are bringing in the 300 and 400, I would surely pick the 300 rather than a 400 like this one, even if I have the money to get the 400.
                        Good to see people talking about "learner" bike in India... he he
                        How many kwackers we generally see on road?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
                          Ya I do know driving and posses a valid DL(Motorcycle and LMV), I'm 19. The fastest I've ridden on was an Activa and approximately 95ks(on the speedo) maybe around 85~90 true speed, not sure about the errors in Activa. (I'm yet to get my first ride so until then I'll have to stick with this one )
                          Dont take me wrongly... You think with your experience of driving Activa.... you will be able to manage a bike as big as a Ninja 300 or 400 or a 650 as your first bike!!

                          I am close to 30... and have owned 4 bikes so far... wouldve atleast done 50K kms in about 11 years ( I drive cars mostly).... and yet would be nervous to buy a Ninja as big as the above.... frankly...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by pravin.murthy View Post
                            Dont take me wrongly... You think with your experience of driving Activa.... you will be able to manage a bike as big as a Ninja 300 or 400 or a 650 as your first bike!!

                            I am close to 30... and have owned 4 bikes so far... wouldve atleast done 50K kms in about 11 years ( I drive cars mostly).... and yet would be nervous to buy a Ninja as big as the above.... frankly...
                            I have the confidence of riding a 300/650 as a beginner bike even with the little experience I have. If you are nervous about getting a bike like N300 or N650 that's your problem, I can't help you with that. FYI, some people start off with a CBR250/Ninja250/300 or even a 650 in some cases with absolutely no knowledge about riding a bike. They literally learn how to ride(right from the basics) from such bikes. Let's not go off-topic. This is not a "Do you have what it takes to ride a Ninja 300/Ninja 650 as a beginner?" thread. Stick to the topic in discussion.
                            Last edited by Ezilkannan; 01-04-2013, 07:46 PM.
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                            • #29
                              This is not a forum to speak how big the beginner bike has to be also I guess.. then.... So keep it to the topic yourself...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pravin.murthy View Post
                                This is not a forum to speak how big the beginner bike has to be also I guess.. then.... So keep it to the topic yourself...
                                I am just giving my opinion that I personally would pick a N300 rather than a N400(and that's what I think most people would do too, especially if they are released here). I'm not saying that the N400R will never be sold at all, it will be sought after, but not as much as the the 300(those who can't afford for bigger ones) or the 650(those who have the money to spend). It'll be apt only for those who are literally stuck between these two, and my guess is that their numbers would be quite low compared to the others. The sales will be too low and that's why they haven't launched it anywhere else. FYI the Ninja 400R is sold as an entry level bike just like the CBR250R or the Ninja 250/300. I don't see why the factor of the displacement of beginner bike shouldn't play a role here. Like I mentioned before not everyone here can come to terms when we say that a 250/300/400 is a beginner bike. What I meant to say is that "a 250/300/400 is also an entry level/beginner bike". I didn't say "only 250/300/400 are beginner bikes" as you have thought it to be.
                                Last edited by Ezilkannan; 01-08-2013, 07:18 PM.
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