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  • #31
    Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

    Originally posted by kb100 View Post
    you stripped the threads for the studs too.....????
    No, I didn't. Just take them all out to see whether they need any treatment or not. But they all seems to be in alright condition so just screw them in after cleaning...
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    Yamaha Rx100 = 1994 to forever
    Honda Unicorn = 2005(sold)

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    • #32
      Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

      Originally posted by jatinarya View Post
      I have done resleeving job on 15-May-2015 in my 1994 Rx100 and the bike is still in run-in period.
      1st service was done yeterday after crossing 500km and the bike runs really smooth now(just like a new one )
      So IMHO if you can't find a good/new cylinder kit(like me) than go for the resleeving( but only after doing some research on your area persons who can perform a good job), luckily I found one in Rudrapur(Uttarakhand)

      Here is some info about the cost of resleeving and new piston in Uttarakhand :
      1) Resleeving = Rs800
      2) Goettze Piston = Rs690(Coudn't find any other piston here in uttarakhand )

      And Some pics also, I think these pics might be useful to someone :

      After Sleeving
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      Goetze Piston Std. 50mm
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      Finally some pre and post 1st-service experiances :
      1) For 100-150kms the pickup was not so good(feels like someone is pulling it from behind) and gear shifting was also a pain. Later after 200kms the pick-up starts to improve and gear shifting also gets better.
      2) Fuel Efficiency was 30-32kmpl till 250kms , and after that increasing gradually.(Calculating by reserve-to-reserve method)
      3) Ride it within 40kmph range till its 1st service( that means till yesterday).
      4) After 400kms the FE is in 36-38 kmpl range, hoping to get more as 1st service is now done.
      5) Riding it within 50kmph after the 1st service, and would not cross it untill the ODO hits 1000kms. Then I will update the performance in high revs.
      6) Till now there is no sign of overheating or any performance lag. Acceleration and gear-shifting is butter-smooth now(as compared to other Rx's only).
      It seems 3 of 4 studs' threads are re-done. I have a very bad experience with the same. Recently, I restored and get rebored my RX100 to first oversize. Due to some negligence by lathe guy, original studs threads were rugged/cut while removing them. Unfortunately, after installation, all studs popped out one by one in 1700 Kms only. I tried the same as seen in your cylinder (some brass thread fitting), but all in vain. Leakage of charge is contined, now unable to ride as there is no compression. Luckily, I had an old bore (8thOS) which I gave yesterday to the lathe guy to fit a sleeve and a std goetze piston. I will get this done by tomorrow. I have ridden my rx135 on sleeved bore previously, had got good output, but not as good as original. Hope, this would work better.

      Sleeve cost in noida is 650 INR, Goetze STD piston is of same cost.

      I would appreciate my experienced mate's opinions on how to fix the threads on original bore. I seriously don't want to lose it as it is first oversize, mere ridden for 1700 km.


      I will upload pictures once I start installation of sleeved bore this weekend.

      Thank you!
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      • #33
        Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

        So I installed the resleeved cylinder yesterday. It came with a new Goestze std piston, but I had a quite less used std piston with rings (old EY stock when RX100 was in production) in spares and I gave a chance to go with it rather using the new one. Bike fires well, didn't notice any difference in power delivery. It's smooth. Notice a little but negligible difference in exhaust note (it's kind of sharp sound, may be because I didn't replace the exhaust gasket). The sleeve job is done meticulously. All ports were marked and cut on factory specs. Hope, it would deliver as expected.The OE bore studs' threads would be done by same lathe man. He said he would fix them as strong as they were originally.

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        • #34
          Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

          Originally posted by arvstreetracer View Post
          So I installed the resleeved cylinder yesterday. It came with a new Goestze std piston, but I had a quite less used std piston with rings (old EY stock when RX100 was in production) in spares and I gave a chance to go with it rather using the new one. Bike fires well, didn't notice any difference in power delivery. It's smooth. Notice a little but negligible difference in exhaust note (it's kind of sharp sound, may be because I didn't replace the exhaust gasket). The sleeve job is done meticulously. All ports were marked and cut on factory specs. Hope, it would deliver as expected.The OE bore studs' threads would be done by same lathe man. He said he would fix them as strong as they were originally.

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          The old bore with missing threads!
          Resleeved one looks good now, hope that this time threads wouldn't wear out like they did before, do post your break-in period experiences [emoji4]
          Safety is a Cheap and Effective Insurance Policy !!!


          Yamaha Rx100 = 1994 to forever
          Honda Unicorn = 2005(sold)

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          • #35
            Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

            My experience so far:
            1) Completed 1200 kms till now and engine is running smoothly, yesterday rode it for 140 kms and bike gives a wonderful 40kmpl mileage (on standard clip position of jet needle).

            2) Repositioned the jet needle clip to the leaner side after 600km reading on the odo and changed it back to standard position when odo hits 900km, while on leaner side the bike gives 45kmpl mileage but initial pickup becomes low(which I didn't like a bit)

            3) During last ride(140kms) maintained a regular speed of 60-65 kmph and sometimes touch 75kmph mark too, but find it hard to cross 80kmph mark on the odo(maybe it was because I am riding it for the first time at that speed after the resleeving)
            Safety is a Cheap and Effective Insurance Policy !!!


            Yamaha Rx100 = 1994 to forever
            Honda Unicorn = 2005(sold)

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            • #36
              Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

              Originally posted by jatinarya View Post
              My experience so far:
              1) Completed 1200 kms till now and engine is running smoothly, yesterday rode it for 140 kms and bike gives a wonderful 40kmpl mileage (on standard clip position of jet needle).

              2) Repositioned the jet needle clip to the leaner side after 600km reading on the odo and changed it back to standard position when odo hits 900km, while on leaner side the bike gives 45kmpl mileage but initial pickup becomes low(which I didn't like a bit)

              3) During last ride(140kms) maintained a regular speed of 60-65 kmph and sometimes touch 75kmph mark too, but find it hard to cross 80kmph mark on the odo(maybe it was because I am riding it for the first time at that speed after the resleeving)

              Its really great to see a fellow re sleever lol.

              Jokes apart, your inputs are more than welcome in the 2 stroke - parts inflated world.

              As per my experience I would really suggest you not to go beyond the run in limit, believe me the bike will not show progressive results, rather you will experience sudden surge of improved performances. The bike will not progress from level 1 to level 2, level 3 and so on, after a few days you will see sudden improvements from level 1 to level 4. After 2000 kms my bike's stress limit increased from 60 to 80, after 3000Kms the bike rode stressfree at 90 and after roughly 4000kms the bike became stressfree at speeds beyond 90. I have never crossed beyond the speedo 110kmph on my bike (although the bike is eager is to go beyond this but somehow I tend to limit myself). On a surprise note I am seeing the RPM needle going a bit beyond 8000 RPM these days, whereas AFAIK the bike is supposed to be restricted at 7000 RPM (probably though not very sure on this). My bike is fully stock without any performance upgrades and hence this came as a surprise to me. (The bike is on ART piston and MACO Conrod)

              The mileage what you are getting is commendable as I have never achieved more than 35kmpl till date on my 5 speed, but hey, I am not complaining at all.

              Cheers and happy riding your 2 stroke love.
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              • #37
                Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                Originally posted by The Great View Post
                Its really great to see a fellow re sleever lol.

                Jokes apart, your inputs are more than welcome in the 2 stroke - parts inflated world.

                As per my experience I would really suggest you not to go beyond the run in limit, believe me the bike will not show progressive results, rather you will experience sudden surge of improved performances. The bike will not progress from level 1 to level 2, level 3 and so on, after a few days you will see sudden improvements from level 1 to level 4. After 2000 kms my bike's stress limit increased from 60 to 80, after 3000Kms the bike rode stressfree at 90 and after roughly 4000kms the bike became stressfree at speeds beyond 90. I have never crossed beyond the speedo 110kmph on my bike (although the bike is eager is to go beyond this but somehow I tend to limit myself). On a surprise note I am seeing the RPM needle going a bit beyond 8000 RPM these days, whereas AFAIK the bike is supposed to be restricted at 7000 RPM (probably though not very sure on this). My bike is fully stock without any performance upgrades and hence this came as a surprise to me. (The bike is on ART piston and MACO Conrod)

                The mileage what you are getting is commendable as I have never achieved more than 35kmpl till date on my 5 speed, but hey, I am not complaining at all.

                Cheers and happy riding your 2 stroke love.
                Thank you sir for sharing your experiences with us [emoji4]
                Safety is a Cheap and Effective Insurance Policy !!!


                Yamaha Rx100 = 1994 to forever
                Honda Unicorn = 2005(sold)

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                • #38
                  Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                  Update:
                  550 Km done by now without any issue! Usually ride between 50-55 kmph speed limit. Sometime pull throttle and release before she screams! (I do this repeatedly during run-in period). I can say now it's a satisfactory job done by my lathe man! Since the piston and rings were used ones, I didn't much bother about run-in period.

                  Here she is..



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                  • #39
                    Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                    Originally posted by arvstreetracer View Post
                    Update:
                    550 Km done by now without any issue! Usually ride between 50-55 kmph speed limit. Sometime pull throttle and release before she screams! (I do this repeatedly during run-in period). I can say now it's a satisfactory job done by my lathe man! Since the piston and rings were used ones, I didn't much bother about run-in period.

                    Here she is..



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                    Sir,I reside in Delhi.Can you give me address of the lathe guy from where you had done sleeving work done in Noida.My bike is also due for engine work.Thanks.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                      Originally posted by Nonu 760 View Post
                      Sir,I reside in Delhi.Can you give me address of the lathe guy from where you had done sleeving work done in Noida.My bike is also due for engine work.Thanks.
                      Hi,

                      Here it is:
                      Vishwakarma Engineering Works
                      C-8, Shiv market, Jhundupura, Sector 11, Noida. (near Dharma Villa Guest House)
                      Conta No. 9899301147
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                      • #41
                        Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                        Originally posted by arvstreetracer View Post
                        Hi,

                        Here it is:
                        Vishwakarma Engineering Works
                        C-8, Shiv market, Jhundupura, Sector 11, Noida. (near Dharma Villa Guest House)
                        Conta No. 9899301147

                        Hello do these people also deals in crank refurbishment work,

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                        • #42
                          Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                          Originally posted by kusmaker View Post
                          Hello do these people also deals in crank refurbishment work,
                          Yes, I have got done many from him. He uses Maco rods for Yamaha and Suzuki.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                            Originally posted by arvstreetracer View Post
                            Yes, I have got done many from him. He uses Maco rods for Yamaha and Suzuki.
                            But what i have heard is that Maco connecting rods are of inferior quaity, and what brand sleeve these guys use for the cylinder block

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                            • #44
                              Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                              Originally posted by kusmaker View Post
                              But what i have heard is that Maco connecting rods are of inferior quaity, and what brand sleeve these guys use for the cylinder block
                              Maco is one of the best available aftermarket rods IMHO. Three of my RXs are running on Maco only including one 5 speed. Yamaha India doesn't supply rods separately. You may try your luck finding an OEM crank assy (costs around 3500-4000 INR).
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                              • #45
                                Re: Re Sleeving the cylinder

                                Originally posted by yamdoot View Post
                                A sleeve job is the only choice if a new cylinder kit is not available or is insanely expensive!

                                Id say the cost depends but expect it to be about half the cost of a new cylinder.

                                P.S- If 'here' means Mumbai, then forget about it. They dont even have CNC machines to bore them.

                                @ Yamdoot, sir Rajesh Boring works in Sion ,kadad industrial estate has CNC boring machine to carry out the job,He is a expert.

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