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    Bullet Standard engine seized - any suggestions?

    On a recent trip, I ripped apart my Bullet Standard (4 gear) a little, which I guess was a little too much for it to handle. The speed went down and down and down and then I stopped the motorcycle by the side of the highway.

    Now the kick is stiff and it would not go down even if I stand on it. I somehow managed to bring the motorcycle on a small truck and it is now lying in a paid parking lot.

    Please suggest if there is anything I should try before I give up to the service center guys and they'd probably leech me off my money to change the cylinder kit?


    Pouring some coconut oil in the spark plug hole, may be? In fact, I checked the engine oil level and the engine oil level is perfectly okay.


    Also, can someone tell me how long the warranty for the engine is? 3 years, may be? Things like these are covered under engine warranty?
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      Originally posted by FranklySpeaking View Post
      On a recent trip, I ripped apart my Bullet Standard (4 gear) a little, which I guess was a little too much for it to handle. The speed went down and down and down and then I stopped the motorcycle by the side of the highway.

      Now the kick is stiff and it would not go down even if I stand on it. I somehow managed to bring the motorcycle on a small truck and it is now lying in a paid parking lot.

      Please suggest if there is anything I should try before I give up to the service center guys and they'd probably leech me off my money to change the cylinder kit?


      Pouring some coconut oil in the spark plug hole, may be? In fact, I checked the engine oil level and the engine oil level is perfectly okay.


      Also, can someone tell me how long the warranty for the engine is? 3 years, may be? Things like these are covered under engine warranty?
      Warranty depends on the age of the machine. And if your services have been done on time or not. You have not mentioned how old your bike is.


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        Originally posted by MG View Post
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        Thank you, MG.

        Originally posted by jd666 View Post
        Warranty depends on the age of the machine. And if your services have been done on time or not. You have not mentioned how old your bike is.

        Motorcycle is about 2.5 years old. Yes, all the services were done well on time and from Authorized Service Stations.

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        • #5
          RE probably has only 1 year warranty only
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          • #6
            Called up the Service Center and the estimate they have given is Rs. 5000.

            Kindly suggest me if there is anything I can try on my own to bring it back to life, before I let my bank balance go down by Rs. 5000!

            Originally posted by mid View Post
            RE probably has only 1 year warranty only

            Yes, confirmed with RE. Warranty was 1 year only, indeed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FranklySpeaking View Post
              On a recent trip, I ripped apart my Bullet Standard (4 gear) a little, which I guess was a little too much for it to handle. The speed went down and down and down and then I stopped the motorcycle by the side of the highway.

              Now the kick is stiff and it would not go down even if I stand on it. I somehow managed to bring the motorcycle on a small truck and it is now lying in a paid parking lot.

              Please suggest if there is anything I should try before I give up to the service center guys and they'd probably leech me off my money to change the cylinder kit?


              Pouring some coconut oil in the spark plug hole, may be? In fact, I checked the engine oil level and the engine oil level is perfectly okay.


              Also, can someone tell me how long the warranty for the engine is? 3 years, may be? Things like these are covered under engine warranty?

              Check the crank first, crank damage can cause stall too, the engine might not have been damaged. It could be a possibility that only the crank has troubles.

              I don't think such a damage to the engine or the crank is covered.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Great View Post
                Check the crank first, crank damage can cause stall too, the engine might not have been damaged. It could be a possibility that only the crank has troubles.

                I don't think such a damage to the engine or the crank is covered.
                The power went down while I was riding. I was riding at 100 kmph, the speed went down to 80 and then 60 even at full throttle before it went to a complete halt.

                Can it be because of damage to the crank? I mean, it felt like the bike was getting fuel starved as if there was no fuel left in the tank.

                I will get the bike checked. However, I am planning to add some oil from the spark plug hole and see if that helps. Engine oil level is otherwise fine.

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                • #9
                  try reboring

                  You can try re-bore but it need skills , if process is not done properly you may face the same situation again. Re-bore costs around 1000-1500 rupees.
                  The best option will be go for complete new kit. And don't forget to run-in the engine again for 1000 kilometers after overhaul.

                  Lesson: Never ride CI bullets above 80 kmph and also don't ride them continuously at same speed for long period. Bullets never forgive if you rip them hard.

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                    Originally posted by FranklySpeaking View Post
                    The power went down while I was riding. I was riding at 100 kmph, the speed went down to 80 and then 60 even at full throttle before it went to a complete halt.

                    Can it be because of damage to the crank? I mean, it felt like the bike was getting fuel starved as if there was no fuel left in the tank.

                    I will get the bike checked. However, I am planning to add some oil from the spark plug hole and see if that helps. Engine oil level is otherwise fine.
                    Yes it could be, since you said that you felt like the bike was feeling like it was fuel starved. (did the engine die down instantly?? because in the event of an engine seizure or some may refer to this as piston seizure the engine shuts abruptly on you.)

                    I strongly suspect crank failure, I have had this same kinda event once. I went a little over board when I actually raced with some moron (which in this case proved me as a moron for racing and stressing the bike thereby causing my crank to break).
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                    • #11
                      Hi..

                      Just open the Tappit cover and loosen the nut there, check if the tappit is moving up and down freely with your hands, do not try push starting, try kicking slowly the oil has to come out freely through the tappit.

                      unless and until you hear a humming noise from the engine (before it died off) it is not required for you to open the head. the aluminium pipes would have got extended, leave the machine to cool down.

                      Just my 2 cents, not sure this would be a solution though

                      @amardeep - I agree you cannot rip the RE, but before doing any trip where you feel that you would want to ride at an average of 80+, you can play around with your tappits (Keeping the tappit will make your bike increase the noise)

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                      Last edited by rameshmadhavan; 05-14-2012, 05:26 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by amardeep2006 View Post
                        You can try re-bore but it need skills , if process is not done properly you may face the same situation again. Re-bore costs around 1000-1500 rupees.
                        The best option will be go for complete new kit. And don't forget to run-in the engine again for 1000 kilometers after overhaul.

                        Lesson: Never ride CI bullets above 80 kmph and also don't ride them continuously at same speed for long period. Bullets never forgive if you rip them hard.
                        Yes, will go for new kit only and not rebore.

                        Originally posted by The Great View Post
                        Yes it could be, since you said that you felt like the bike was feeling like it was fuel starved. (did the engine die down instantly?? because in the event of an engine seizure or some may refer to this as piston seizure the engine shuts abruptly on you.)

                        I strongly suspect crank failure, I have had this same kinda event once. I went a little over board when I actually raced with some moron (which in this case proved me as a moron for racing and stressing the bike thereby causing my crank to break).
                        Engine did not die down instantly. It infact was pulling till the very end, just that the power kept going down. Even at full throttle, the bike came down to a speed of 60 kmph. After than lesser and then lesser, but the engine was pulling.


                        I stopped the motorcycle to let it cool down after which the kick became immovable. I suspect seizure, though inspection will have to be done by RE and then I will update here as to what the real story was.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rameshmadhavan View Post
                          Hi..

                          Just open the Tappit cover and loosen the nut there, check if the tappit is moving up and down freely with your hands, do not try push starting, try kicking slowly the oil has to come out freely through the tappit.

                          unless and until you hear a humming noise from the engine (before it died off) it is not required for you to open the head. the aluminium pipes would have got extended, leave the machine to cool down.

                          Just my 2 cents, not sure this would be a solution though

                          @amardeep - I agree you cannot rip the RE, but before doing any trip where you feel that you would want to ride at an average of 80+, you can play around with your tappits (Keeping the tappit will make your bike increase the noise)

                          Rgds
                          Ramesh Madhavan

                          Thanks for the reply, Ramesh. Which 'aluminium pipes' would these be?

                          Also, the tappets on my motorcycle were quite loose.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FranklySpeaking View Post
                            Thanks for the reply, Ramesh. Which 'aluminium pipes' would these be?

                            Also, the tappets on my motorcycle were quite loose.
                            The tappets are usually aluminium, they tend to expand when at heat. Just pump with the tappet cover open, oil should be thrown out.
                            Never Give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.

                            Cheers
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                            • #15
                              It is very difficult to control the temptation once you cross 85 kmph. I learnt is easy way , I did 100-110 (speedo) on NH-8 once on my Electra 5s and when It stopped i was taken up by surprise . There was lot of petrol smell around the bike and engine was too hot. On inspection found that carburetor had vomited lot of petrol and it refused to start for some time. Got the carb cleaning and tuning done again. The mechanic told me It could have been worse if engine would have affected.
                              CI need to be handled carefully .

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