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  • #16
    Got the engine opened. There were lines because of metal contact on one side of the cylinder as well as the piston.

    2 of the 3 piston rings were broken. There was another problem wherein the piston's motion was being restricted by the point where it connects to the crank. Mechanic was not sure as to what could have caused it.


    2 broken piston rings were removed, motorcycle packed, as it was already late at night and I never leave my vehicles with any mechanic/garages, talk about being sceptic of the ethics of human beings, in general. I had made a deal with the mechanic only to open and close the engine and paid him for the labour. Will be getting the work done tomorrow now. Off for 1 day's work.


    Mechanic says it would be okay to get an oversize piston (20 number as he called it) and he had some empty boxes of piston and the piston costs just about Rs. 400-500 something if I remember correctly. Looking at the difference in the price of whole kit (about Rs. 3800-3900) and just the piston (one-eighth of it) and may be a few hundred Rupees to get rebore done, I think I would opt for a piston change now. I do not ride a lot anymore and I can always get the whole kit changed anytime in the future if I am not satisfied with the performance or other reasons. Mechanic said the damage would be less than Rs. 1000. Worth a try, I believe.

    PS: Even though the kick is still not moving the way it should be, it can now be moved on the application of some force. But the Ammeter shows no deflection at all because of it. Can someone please help me understand why there is no deflection at all? Yes, it does show deflection if I turn the indicator or any other light on. Thank you.

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    • #17
      new kit

      Also ask the mechanic to check the crank and engine valves as well. If I remember correctly ANL is the brand used for pistons here in Gurgaon.
      Also remember "Mehnga roye ek baar sasta roye baar baar" (Things which are cheap in fact prove to be expensive as either they need more maintainence or have to be replaced)
      The best bet will be new kit.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by amardeep2006 View Post
        Also ask the mechanic to check the crank and engine valves as well. If I remember correctly ANL is the brand used for pistons here in Gurgaon.
        Also remember "Mehnga roye ek baar sasta roye baar baar" (Things which are cheap in fact prove to be expensive as either they need more maintainence or have to be replaced)
        The best bet will be new kit.
        Amardeep, thanks for the post. In your earlier post, you have mentioned that rebore costs Rs. 1000-1500. The cost that you are telling does not include piston?

        My mechanic told me New piston as well as getting rebore done would cost around 1000 bucks! I wonder if there was some miscommunication with the mechanic here.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by FranklySpeaking View Post
          Amardeep, thanks for the post. In your earlier post, you have mentioned that rebore costs Rs. 1000-1500. The cost that you are telling does not include piston?

          My mechanic told me New piston as well as getting rebore done would cost around 1000 bucks! I wonder if there was some miscommunication with the mechanic here.
          1000 Rs. is a good deal. Prices vary from place to place and Gurgaon is known for inflated prices.

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          • #20
            Got the work done. Cylinder kit replaced. Total damage - Rs. 4900. Rode for about 20 km after the service. The engine is getting heated up. The mechanic has set tappets very loose. Will get service done again in the next 400-500 km. By the way, is there a way to confirm whether the oil pump is working fine? Not sure if the mechanic there bothered to check the same.

            I am flabbergasted at the RE 'Authorized' service center here in Jalandhar named Navyug Motors. They are absolute crooks. Over phone, the owner lady of the service center told me the cost of kit as Rs. 3,900 and now they charged me Rs. 4,290 for the same.

            In fact, this is the second time I went to this workshop. My Bullet's first service was also done here and they performed engine flush on a 400 km run machine, without even asking me! I wish there was some mechanism to complain against people like this.

            Today again, while I was standing there, my bill was brought up to an exact amount of Rs. 5000 just because they had given me 'estimate' of Rs. 5000. Then I asked them as to how the service charges went up to Rs. 500 when they had promised me service charges to be Rs. 300 over phone! Then, they did pluses and minuses over that bill. Can someone give me the email ID of someone from RE, other than the one mentioned on the website. I would like to complain against these crooks!

            Also, is there a rule that the customer has to buy the engine oil from them only? I had taken by own cans of oil and they refused to change that! When my motorcycle is out of warranty, can they force me to buy oil from them?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by FranklySpeaking View Post
              The engine is getting heated up. The mechanic has set tappets very loose. Will get service done again in the next 400-500 km. By the way, is there a way to confirm whether the oil pump is working fine? Not sure if the mechanic there bothered to check the same.
              Read this very carefully sir:

              You are in a run in period now. Hence the following pointers might help.
              - The bike should not be made to run more than 40 kmph for the next 2000 kms.
              - Do not overstretch any gear for too long.
              - Never rev the engine to very high rpms.
              - Use only good quality engine oil.
              - Never race with anyone.
              - at 400 kms get the servicing done following with 1200 kms and 2000 kms with oil change.

              Many might argue about the run in period for 2000/3000 kms but I personally believe that if you want to keep the bike for a long period you should devotedly follow these rules for the betterment of your bikes' life.

              Think of this as a heart transplant done on your bike, and now the above rules are supposed to be the diet regime.
              Last edited by The Great; 05-19-2012, 01:57 PM. Reason: forgot to add a 0 to the kms for run in.
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              [FONT=lucida console]It ain't important how fast u are drivin, its how u drive fast.[/FONT]

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              • #22
                Guys, Does CI stand for Cast Iron? the latest engine on the RE?
                Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                If you lack these two then DONT

                Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
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                alwayzaLive . . .

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The Great View Post
                  Read this very carefully sir:

                  You are in a run in period now. Hence the following pointers might help.
                  - The bike should not be made to run more than 40 kmph for the next 2000 kms.
                  - Do not overstretch any gear for too long.
                  - Never rev the engine to very high rpms.
                  - Use only good quality engine oil.
                  - Never race with anyone.
                  - at 400 kms get the servicing done following with 1200 kms and 2000 kms with oil change.

                  Many might argue about the run in period for 200 kms but I personally believe that if you want to keep the bike for a long period you should devotedly follow these rules for the betterment of your bikes' life.

                  Think of this as a heart transplant done on your bike, and now the above rules are supposed to be the diet regime.
                  Thank you very much for the advice. Heck, 2000 km at less than 40 kmph? I think only my son would get to enjoy this motorcycle if I have stick to this regime. <Joking>


                  Yes, I would get the oil changed at 400-500 km from the kit replacement. Funny thing is that the speedo cable has gone bad it seems, so I am unable to figure out the speed and km done since yesterday!


                  By the way, is there an easy way to confirm whether the oil pump is working fine or not?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ARNandal View Post
                    Guys, Does CI stand for Cast Iron? the latest engine on the RE?
                    Yes, CI stands for Cast Iron. It is the old engine which was discontinued in 2010. New engine is known as UCE (Unit Construction Engine)

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                    • #25
                      very good link

                      I have never seen better procedure to run-in the bullet, It is from Bullet guru Mr. Nandan. Checkout the link below.

                      Nandanmotors : Bullet Serial

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by amardeep2006 View Post
                        I have never seen better procedure to run-in the bullet, It is from Bullet guru Mr. Nandan. Checkout the link below.

                        Nandanmotors : Bullet Serial
                        Totally awesome write-up ! That's the way it should be, and basically for all bikes not just bullet.

                        i.e only if you are keen on keeping the bike healthy for long, ... or you can choose to rip the bike off from day one provided you are the close relative of someone like tatas or mallyas.

                        Hats off to the author of the article.

                        Thanks for the link amardeep.
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                        [FONT=lucida console]It ain't important how fast u are drivin, its how u drive fast.[/FONT]

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                        • #27
                          Nandan motos

                          Hi guys,

                          Is this the same person living in Bangalore? near hebbal lake?
                          B R Gurunandan, Bullet Expart from Bnagalore on ETV Yuva Bharat - YouTube
                          Met him over this weekend . He has closed his garage, very down to earth person. Yes he is a bullet Legend. Working with him for bullet modification.

                          Prashant S.

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