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Whats the difference between 2 brothers..... Samurai and Shogun

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
    Oh boy... Um Its a bit of a long list. Everything I guess. Please excuse my ignorance in this matter.

    What Kind of Carburetor, How many ports, type of induction (rx type reed or samurai type reed), Comp ratio, max rpm, weight, fuel capacity, max torque, first and last year of production, wheelbase, seat height etc...

    If you have a manual ( which I am sure of), Then that would be really helpful.
    Thank you kb100 you made it easy! Bibhu, the engine is seven port,
    carb is Mikuni VM 20SS,
    reed valve crankcase induction [ reed is the same as RX100 but is directed towards the crankshaft and not the piston] ,
    produced first in 1993 and last i believe was in 2004 .
    comp. ratio -7.7:1 ,
    max rpm is 14k.
    weight- 104kg
    fuel tank capacity -12 litres
    max torque -10.3kw
    wheelbase is same as Samurai -1208mm
    height again same as Samurai -1053mm
    Last edited by yamdoot; 02-23-2013, 12:42 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by kb100 View Post
      try this http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/thumpers...-bikes-28.html
      Thank you. Answers most of my questions.

      One last question. I have never seen an open shogun engine. I have, however, seen an open max 100. Is the reed valve type similar or does the shogun have rx type valves?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
        Thank you. Answers most of my questions.

        One last question. I have never seen an open shogun engine. I have, however, seen an open max 100. Is the reed valve type similar or does the shogun have rx type valves?
        It is RX type.
        1985 Yamaha RD350 HT
        1989 Ki-Honda 110
        1994 Suzuki Shogun
        1997 Yamaha RX135
        2008 Yamaha FZ
        Suzuki Supra Powerup
        IND-SUZUKI AX100
        Hero IMPULSE
        TVS NTORQ


        No Cams, No Valves, No Headaches.

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        • #19
          Thank you Doc, and KB100 for enlightening me.

          The question with which the thread was started however, remains. What is the difference between shogun and samurai? I do understand both are quite different bikes. Shogun was built to be a hair trigger tracer bullet and the samurai was a commuter. What I mean to ask is, are there any similarities in the internal engine construction?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
            Thank you Doc, and KB100 for enlightening me.

            The question with which the thread was started however, remains. What is the difference between shogun and samurai? I do understand both are quite different bikes. Shogun was built to be a hair trigger tracer bullet and the samurai was a commuter. What I mean to ask is, are there any similarities in the internal engine construction?
            Ofcourse there are similarities in the engine internals. Shogun is based on the same engine Samurai uses. They share the same Magnet and stator. Basic crankcase design is the same with some differences to accomodate the block and crank on the Shogun.
            1985 Yamaha RD350 HT
            1989 Ki-Honda 110
            1994 Suzuki Shogun
            1997 Yamaha RX135
            2008 Yamaha FZ
            Suzuki Supra Powerup
            IND-SUZUKI AX100
            Hero IMPULSE
            TVS NTORQ


            No Cams, No Valves, No Headaches.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by yamdoot View Post
              Ofcourse there are similarities in the engine internals. Shogun is based on the same engine Samurai uses. They share the same Magnet and stator. Basic crankcase design is the same with some differences to accomodate the block and crank on the Shogun.
              So, on a basic level, the differences are in piston size, crank, port design, gearing, Carb and cdi?

              I mean is the shogun an augmented samurai like the apache and the rtr or is it a different bike altogether?
              Last edited by Bibhu; 02-24-2013, 12:10 PM.
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              • #22
                Me and my friend is trying to go for a budget build.Long story short,can I plonk in a shogun/shaolin engine in a samurai?
                Or anything else..like RX 135 engine in a 4 stroke/max100 chassis?
                Which would be better?
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                • #23
                  shogun/shaolin engine can be plonked into max100 chassis..since they all shares simillar crankcase, engine mounts.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by albyjose View Post
                    Me and my friend is trying to go for a budget build.Long story short,can I plonk in a shogun/shaolin engine in a samurai?
                    Or anything else..like RX 135 engine in a 4 stroke/max100 chassis?
                    Which would be better?
                    Hi Alby, Not sure about the 135's engine on a max frame, but you can transfer gun's/shaolin's engine on to a samurai's frame without trouble.
                    Keep us posted.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Whats the difference between 2 brothers..... Samurai and Shogun

                      [QUOTE=SriramEfunds;919798]Can some one validate the above fact? I'm not convinced that last batch of Shogun were underpowered one.



                      yes.. Later shoguns were under powered ,because of the introduction of cat con silencer (euro emission rules)
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